Talk about foolish optimism
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Talk about foolish optimism
Its not optimism, its so when when pats are beat some fans of other clubs can say "That was abad result, they should've done better"Quote:
Originally Posted by skitz3
Anyone who thinks a LOI side is anywhere near a Bundesliga team needs their head examined. Upsets can happen, and I won't stop dreaming about it, but lazy bold predictions help nobody
Fair point Dodge, i pretty much with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I was just watching Football Focus there and they were looking at the UEFA Cup draw. Mark Lawrenson made sure to get a special mention in for St. Pats. He was really talking them up and said they did brilliantly to get that far.
So their efforts are getting some notice abroad which is good to see.
If Pats do go through to the group stages how would that effect their seedings for next years UEFA qualifiers and first round?
There's 2 points for a win now that we're into the 1st Round proper. So catching Lithuania is not impossible.
However, even a draw in one of the games would be more than Pats can hope for at this stage I think.
Why???Quote:
Originally Posted by skitz3
5+ years ago were we foolish to hope any eL team could progress past their 1st round? - now we get that each year (& regularly get past their second round too)
Dodge - I wont be slagging off Pat's result whatever way it goes - they have been brilliant so far & I'm still hoarse from cheering them Thursday. (but you are right - there are begrudgers who would find some reason to slag off our domestic teams even if they were to win the CL!)
All i'm saying is that this is all part of an upward curve for the league & someday SOON we WILL have a team in the group stages :ball:
Its not worked on how far you get, but on the wins & draws you get - so progressing with 2 wins gets more points than progressing with 2 draws & away goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by boovidge
But, from this round the ranking points available are higher than in the preliminary rounds - so a draw for Pats against Hertha would be worth as much as the win against Elfsborg. Also, these (higher) points are added to the country coefficiant but ALSO added to the Team's individual ranking (not easy to explain but the details are all here: http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/calc.html )
This means that ANY draw or win from here on for Pats will almost guarantee them being seeded for their first game next year.
Was thinking exactly that after the game. Would have loved the public at large to see that performance. This was no smash and grab result. Pats comprehensively outplayed them for the majority of the game and the result was fully merited. I'd love to have seen Roddy Collins trying to downgrade that display. Now RTE will probably show the Hertha Berlin game and we'll probably get beaten(Don't get me wrong, I think we'll give a good account of ourselves, but I'm not expecting to go through) and they'll wheel Roddy out again to tell us all that Irish teams haven't progressed, he did it all with Bohs years ago, etc,etc, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by amaccann
2nd of October 2008 at 21:35Quote:
Originally Posted by CuanaD
kdjac
Oh yeah. ;):D
I reckon Hertha will win by 2/3 goals on aggregate but hopefully Pats can get at least a draw in one of the ties. I'd love to be proved wrong and see them go through.
I would too but the difference in the Bundesliga and our Premier division is huge. There are english championship sides that would struggle against a team like Hertha. Pats need to have the game of their lives out there and hope lady luck is on their side. I'm all for optimism and positive thinking but don't get carried away lads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ears
Jeez thats not a bad betQuote:
Originally Posted by johnny b
Mark Lawrenson's a legend. He made sure to mention us all the time during our run. Top man.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfrank
he said something along the lines of - the best result there was from st patricks. they were out. then two goals in 86 and 90min. hertha berlin now.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfrank
all i hope is that we somehow keep the tie alive for the 2nd leg.
Nobody's saying a LOI team is near a Bundesliga team, but we remember when Cork, (and indeed Rovers) had tight games with Bayern Munich over the years in Europe, and Hertha are not Bayern Munich quality. They're still favourites, but I wouldn't rule out a shock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I know your age, and you certainly don't remember Rovers playing bayern... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
As I've said, shocks can happen, but a poster here put the game at 50/50.
Thats just plain rubbish..
Great night in Richmond Park. One of the best atmospheres I've experienced. Fair play to Pats, they never gave up and dug deep. Pity the Hertha game is not in Inchicore. Hopefully the RDS will be full. Nice lift for the league at during such a tumultuous period.
I'm sure teams were seeded in the draw so Pat's were always going to get a quality team. Unfortunately Hertha are a club that would never attract the big crowds you would want or are not the team you would hold much hope of beating to get into the group stages. Fallen between two stools really in my opinion.
Are you expecting a big crowd at the RDS?
The age posters are, frankly has nothing to do with it. What counts is the game itself, and how the LOI side played.
Bayern play Hertha tomorrow on the box, where you can expect them to fold again in Munich. :) Really, Pats have nothing to fear out there. If Drogheda can take Kiev to within a couple of minutes of progressing to the next round of the CL, then Pats can cope in Berlin. But if they go there having given up already that some here have, of course they have no chance.
German tv giving us more money than selling out the RDS at 20 quid a head would.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denis The Red
Now i dont care for these barstoolers coming out once and watching us, they dont go to their own teams games wouldnt expect them to go to ours.
They reckon they will bring a 1000 over easily + our 2000 and plus our 1000 lapsed fans who came on thurs + other EL fans.
So club getting well paid, players getting to play in the Olympic stadium and we get to enjoy our day out. If we were still in the tie come 2nd leg i would be happy but unlikley.
kdjac
Berlin down 1-0 after 19mins today.
Bayern 4-1 Berlin. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Denis The Red
Quality sides don't concede 4 goals at the Allianz. That's 15 in their 4 visits.
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Originally Posted by Dodge
Omg,i agree with dodge:eek: Can't see this happening again for a long time:D
This Tie alone will bag Pats in the region of 750,000.
And Pats are getting more money from the German T.V as they want to decide the day of the match so they can fit it in around other german bundeliga matchs. This means Pats earn even more than they would have. German TV is definatly most lucrative, and Pats were lucky with the draw in the financial way.
Talk on here of Pats having a chance is ludacris. This would be 'Havant and Waterville' style if they were to go through. Hertha are a top established Bundesliga outfit and there is not a hope they will bow out to Pats. They will be out to do a professional job on us and thats exactly what they will achieve.
Some of the talk I've seen on here is behond Laughable.
Are ticket details for the 2nd leg announced yet and are Finn Harps fans allowed to go? :D
Im thinking of going.
It would be great if Pats could pack the RDS, I think it would lok great, a great image for the league :)
Hertha are pure quality from one of the best leagues in the world. Probably similar in quality to Man City, Celtic, Rangers, Everton etc in the UK
HArps fans more than welcome, but if I hear one Donegal accent say I told you so when Hertha win, you're ****ing dead ;)
No ticket details yet
Cheers, well if its a really bad hammering I will leave at half time :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Hopefully, the FAI can do something to help pack the RDS for Pats too, even a schools project or something to bring along a few big schools to support Pats.
Pats should squezze as much money as possible out of this tie (which I'm sure they are doing) as Hertha Berlin is a big step-up from Elfsborg and I can't see them progressing to the group stages. Anyways best of luck to Pats.
Well I think we all realise how difficult it will be. Derry, Shels and Cork have all tried before and lost by 2 goals or more on each occasion so we should not expect Pats to qualify :)
Hopefully, it will look good to the media with plenty of flair, colour and atmosphere. It might be an idea to give a free scarf or flag to all Pats fans on their way in, something cheap I suppose. Its a good PR opportunity for Pats and the league
Hertha just signed Voronin from Liverpool. Just in case anyone wasn't aware of the size of the task! Not sure if he's eligible though.
He didn't play for Liverpool in the CL so, AFAIK, he should be eligible.
Never heard of him! Is he any good?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
(look, i don't support any team outside of this island, so I haven't a clue about liverpool players)
Quigley is better than him. Seriously...Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
He's good in the way that he can run around in circles looking clueless. Obviously he should be decent against EL standard but, yeh, Quigley is better than him :eek:
Hertha v Pats almmost certain to be played on Tuesday at 5pm (Irish time) to suit German TV
*Deeply sceptical hmmmmmmm...*Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
In pure stat terms, he has 54 caps for Ukraine and six goals (which is a fairly crappy return for a forward in fairness). Hertha also have a player with 50+ caps for Germany (Friedrich), Hungary (Dardai) and Croatia (Simunic), as well as players capped by the Czech Republic, Switzerland, Serbia, Bulgaria, Poland, and Tunisia. Also, Kaka and Lucio play for them. Pat's are rank outsiders obviously, and I reckon a home draw is about as good as they can hope for. But then, I've written off numerous clubs in this European campaign so far. Shame there's no-one really well-known playing for them; mightn't have the same appeal for the barstooler.
Seriously, Quigley's better... I'm sure Fahey would get a game in the Bundesliga too.
Doesn't mean they're not massive, massive favourites