I wouldn't go so far as to say they're not beatable, but both Ukrainian sides will be strong favourites, and rightly so.Quote:
Originally Posted by PartySaint
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I wouldn't go so far as to say they're not beatable, but both Ukrainian sides will be strong favourites, and rightly so.Quote:
Originally Posted by PartySaint
Both Poltava and Karpaty Lvov are well beatable. Ukrainian teams ain't all that. (Obviously,Sh Donetsk, Dinamo are a level above) I'd bet on Sligo, anyway. St Pats, less so.
I'm actually going to Ukraine the day after those ties!
u could be right but its pure conjecture on your behalf and no doubt Glens wont turn up for 2nd leg so wouldnt read anything into that. Hopefully they will assume Rovers are just as weak as Glens and we sneak a goal away and then who knows. Bigger pitch will suit us as well so I say be positive . It will also be good for us if the Ukranians feel like you and write us off as no hopers so that gives me a little more confidence. I really think we got a better draw than getting Hearts.Quote:
Originally Posted by PartySaint
I hope your right and I would gladly eat humble pie were Pats and Sligo both to win*Quote:
Originally Posted by harleyleeds
*Of course I don't actually care how Sligo do and only care about our result:)
If I was putting money on the team Rovers would have been drawn against, I'd have put it on Copenhagan. I've been intrigued by the Danish league as their top flight contains 12 teams playing over 3 series. Similar in some ways to how the Premier used to be run. In my opinion the Danes run the system a bit better, rewarding the top 6 with the extra home game the following season. They are currently making moves to have their second tier run under the same format instead of 16 teams over 2 series.
On the game itself, if Rovers get through first I must stress, we don't want another TNS, if Rovers get through to the 3rd qualifying round, I think they'll be bowing out of the Champions League and into the Europa play-offs safety net. The Danes should bring over good support. I happened to be in London last March when they were in the city to take on Chelsea.
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Originally Posted by born2bwild
Bad timing dude.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggwAW16j2GY
Goals from Karagandy v Pats
You wouldn't be happy with the marking for either of those goals. Was that North on the tall bloke who scored the first?
No, Derek Doyle. North didn't travel (hamstring change)
This was posted over on shelschat earlier.
Cripes...
http://gokarpaty.org/eng/news/activity/176
Have you seen either of these teams play the last season? Unfortunately I've had to, they're nothing special and a good, well set out side can do a number on them. Pats and Sligo have good enough managers and players to get a result - Samara were not on a beer as everyone claimed, they were a club in trouble, yet when the pressure came on they couldn't go that extra step. In Ukraine there are 2 very good sides, and 1 or 2 more decent ones, neither of these are in that group. Have faith, running down chances before kick off is so GAA.Quote:
Originally Posted by PartySaint
**** right off we got into 3 rounds twice, we know when we are ****ed and its this round, they are all better than us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Straightstory
If we beat kazak lads we will be beaten by the Ukrainians because they are better than us. Positive thinking my arse, with experience comes knowledge that they are better than us!
Well guess who has the Never Relegated banner.....the "at least we've never been that bad" attitude... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Straightstory
Some team shels had back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
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Shelbourne»: Burn, Flood, Bready, Nevel, Welan, Dooline, Mooney, Costello, Dally (Izzi, 58), О’Doherty, Raserford.
Drogheda came within a post of beating Kiev. But Pats are automatically out if they have to play Ukrainians???Quote:
Originally Posted by kdjaC
If you lose, you lose. But you're never supposed to just give up.
I saw Vorskla playing twice - once in Donetsk and once in Zaporozhye. They were not at Shaktar's level but slightly above Zap's (Zapoozhye had yer man that used to play for Bohs - Mindaugas Kalonas - at the time)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
Voskla also got battered 5-0 against Benfica at this stage of the UEFA cup 3 or 4 years ago.
Sligo could do them.
The matches from last season I picked up on local tv, you're right, they're nothing special, but it's the mentality when you go out to play them. Shels went out against a pretty average Hajduk team a few years ago, got stuck in and won. THen they went out to keep it respectable against Deportivo and lost. Not saying they could have won, but a bit of ambition goes a long way.
All Sligo Rovers supporters groups have announced a combined statement to help Sligo Rovers in what will be a very expensive month with a possible trip to Ukraine and upgrading of the showgrounds
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Originally Posted by Red Star
Despite very recently signing players and looking to sign more?
Should've jsut handed the money to boco and miss the middle man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Star
Surely you would agree that with a couple of more signings they will be (if they are not already) faveroutes to win the league and maybe even dare to win a couple of euro games . This would bring in some cash to refill coffers. AMBITION. ps - it shows the loyalty of their fans , other clubs might do well to follow suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
A few years ago, the same Pats fans were telling us how they had no chance against Hertha Berlin, as Hertha were a "top" team. When the fixture came, Hertha had Andriy Voronin in their side, and were far from invincible. Soon, they were relegated from the Bundesliga. That's how good they were, or rather how good Pats thought they were.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
We've come a long way as a country, in European club football in the past 10 years. Our clubs, Rovers included, have taken on a lot of so-called "better" sides and won. May not have broken the Group Stage ceiling yet, but it will come. A bit of ambition, and a refusal to throw in the towel before you start, gives you some chance of making a decent fist of a tie.
Something about this sounds vaguely familiar but I can't quite put my finger on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by harleyleeds
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Originally Posted by harleyleeds
I think Shels, Cork , Bohs and Drogheda had the same sort of ideas.
I forget how that worked out. Pretty well i'm sure.
You realise fans don't actually play these games? Whether kdjac posts on the internet that the Ukrainians will batter Pats or not doesn't make the slightest bit of difference to the result.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
They'd need to sign 4/5 players before I'd make them favouritesQuote:
Originally Posted by harleyleeds
Dum-de-dum-de-deeQuote:
This would bring in some cash to refill coffers. AMBITION
But surely there's never been a better time to overspend than now?Quote:
Originally Posted by desaintsno.12
I think most clubs in Sligo's position (1 point clear at the top with 13 games to go and your main title rivals playing poorly) would take a small gamble to try and secure the title. We're not talking about the millions Shels and Bohs got themselves into debt with over a number of years, they're signing a couple of players for the last 4 months of the season. They may not be able to afford them but as long as they don't continue down the slippery slope of reckless spending into next season and address any losses they make this season I don't see much to criticise really.Quote:
Originally Posted by desaintsno.12
okay, and should they not win the league, they are in debt. How can they get out of that debt ? I suppose the logical answer is to gamble on winning next years league by spending more money they dont have on players. That ought to do itQuote:
Originally Posted by HulaHoop
Sligo released their general manager earlier this season to spend his wages on players. Do you think this is a good step? They already have the second highest budget in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulaHoop
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Originally Posted by desaintsno.12
That's why I said as long as they don't continue overspending next season and address any losses they make now, they will be ok. Plucking figures out of the air but say they end up losing 50k by the end of the season. Well that's 50k they will have to reduce next years budget by. If that's what they do then I don't see the problem.
No I don't agree it is a good step. I understand them doing it though with the position they find themselves in. They will have to make cuts next season to address any losses this season, if they do that they will be ok, if they don't they will be f**ked as we all know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
your right indeed and I am getting a bit ahead of myself in thinking that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Next game is very important (they all are I know) and a must win.
The euro game is worth 90000 I beleive and that will cover the costs so a win would give them a chance to make some on next round.(no mad overspending yet).
Bound to pick up injuries and cards so need backup and really no one would feel that they should concede their title challange yet . two rounds gets them to group I think and these are like cup games so anything can happen. No one gave Drogs a chance against both Rovers but they were unlucky in both games to lose by all reports . Sligo Rovers will beat the Ukranians home and away.
[QUOTE=Red Star;1509537]All Sligo Rovers supporters groups have announced a combined statement to help Sligo Rovers in what will be a very expensive month with a possible trip to Ukraine and upgrading of the showgrounds[/QU
And signing new players, here we go again another club living beyond their means...
[QUOTE=Dave_SRFC;1509572]keep up daveQuote:
Originally Posted by Red Star
If they did win the league (its possible) would you think they did the right thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
You got to love all the digs here and negative views from other clubs supporters. The unity with Sligo Rovers supporters at the moment has never been seen in years. There is so much good will towards the club at the moment throughout the town and county in a recent fundraiser over €40000 was raised for the club. The cost of playing the uefa game in the Showgrounds along with a trip to the Ukraine would put any club in this league under pressure so supporters taken this proactive decision only reflects the goodwill for the club.
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Originally Posted by Red Star
Not that much pressure if they are still able to sign big wage players
I detect begrudging attitude emerging from some.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
Supporters taking this action will ensure the club can still sign players without pushing the boundaries it's called been proactiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever