Vote yes to detaching Ulster and giving it a gentle nudge toward GreenlandQuote:
Originally Posted by anto1208
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Vote yes to detaching Ulster and giving it a gentle nudge toward GreenlandQuote:
Originally Posted by anto1208
It's the Lesbian Treaty I'm looking forward to.
Hmmm ...then why not just leave out the All? Let it just read "Member states are required..."Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
A law-talkin' guy once told me (repeatedly) that the most important word in legalese is the word All. All means All and nothing less than All.
He said the very first thing you do in studying any contract/treaty is underline all of the Alls, write out what you understand each sentence they fall in to actually mean, query it and see if you can get the All deleted or changed to "certain specified", "certain specific" ...
One thing people should realise is that the French and Germans do not rule the EU. In fact they probably have less say than they should, as their populations are so big. One could argue that if we were true democrats we woudl object to the fact that the peoples of France and Germany and the UK are under represented at the tables of power at the EU, as the smaller nations up to now have the same amount of commissioners etc. So these sort of scare tactics about a European Army and the harmonisation of corporation tax does not reflect the reality on the ground. Ireland is an integral part of the EU and we play a very big role in forming coalitions of like minded views. Negotians and consensus forming and networking are how it works out there and Ireland has shown itself to be very adept at such things.
There are over 12 nations that are against the harmonisation of corporation tax and a good few nations have a lower rate than us, Estonia for one having 0% per cent tax rate so they are not going to go for it.
In addition losing a veto in relation to a few ares is quite good as nobody wants an organisation to run by the power of the veto as it does not allow for pogressive ideas. However we do retain the veto in relation to defence.
No no no, you have to trust Dick Roche on this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
Good post. The tax issue is a scare tactic & nothing more. Will other countries increase their VAT to 21%? Will they all introduce VRT? Would the UK approve this? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
We are required to "improve our military capabilities" which I have no problem with as our Army deserve to have the best equipment we can provide. It doesn't mean we will be putting orders in for an aircraft carrier.
Are we doing an exit poll here for curiosity's sake?
According to RTE the percentage of voter turnout in Sligo is 1%! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by kingdom hoop
To be fair to the ambivalent people of Sligo the low turnout is at least partly attributable to how bad and uninspiring the campaign was.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Could do. I wouldn't expect it to reflect the national vote though. The general election polls here were strongly anti-government, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingdom hoop
Interesting of itself, I submit.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
I'm going to vote shortly. Dramatic vacillations abounded over the past few weeks but I'm now leaning towards a Yes as in quite a good mood today. How's that for logic? Having read the Treaty John, was there anything in it that should make me change my mind?
I'm voting Yes after work if we do start using this as an exit poll
That's not logic, that's madness. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by kingdom hoop
26 other countries are not allowed to vote, I'm sure many of their electorate are in a good mood today.
If you're going to shake Sarkosy's hand at the ballot box today, at least think hard about it before you do.
They already voted in their national elections, if they're not happy with the way their elected politicians are voting on this than I suggest they ask more questions in regards to said politicians party foreign policy next timeQuote:
Originally Posted by mypost
would prefer gran canaria please.Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
I always thought I was a little mad. Thanks for the confirmation. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
As I explained, I've swayed side to side throughout. I couldn't make up my mind as neither side had compelling arguments, so now, because I'm in a positive mood, I'm voting Yes. Seems reasonable, if a bit silly.
Wouldn't you feel that given the fact you've been unable to decide which way to vote, and given the fact that this is an issue which will have serious consequences regardless of the result, you'd be more responsible not to vote at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by kingdom hoop
Got my Yes vote in just there. There was nobody else there at the time but it was early afternoon.
We also voted in our national elections, where it's probably fair to say we didn't get much of a choice, between yes and no politicians. Much like the other 26. Only this time, we get to vote on the issue at hand, where elsewhere they've been gagged.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Osarusan, good post.
Germany is not allowed Referendums post Hitler.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost