Paul McShane

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Originally Posted by danonion

McShane wasn't even any good in the games he got praise for, am I the only one that thought he was rubbish against the Czechs?

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well he got man of the match in that game, so while you're not the only one who thought he was rubbish, there was plenty who thought the was the best player on the pitch.

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Originally Posted by BarelyLegal

I think once he starts dropping the divisions that's him completely finished. He's 23 now so I think going somewhere to learn to read the game is not an option. He reminds me of Titus Bramble in the sense that if it can go wrong it will go wrong for him. He'll only improve by playing at the highest level available to him. Defenders generally get better with age and like Bramble, if he's mentally strong enough the mistakes will become fewer and fewer in the coming yrs, if not then he'll be dropping the divisions anyway but won't be coming back up.

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Good comparison. I think anyone that rates Bramble as a terrible defender needs to see a bit more of him. He'll make a big, big mistake every few games but he more than makes up for it with his dominant motm performances. At the end of the day McShane has conceded 8 goals in his 10 starts for us at centre half (Czech x2, San Marino, Wales x2, Slovakia x2, Cyprus, Serbia, Colombia). Not bad.

As for his performance against the Czechs. I may sound biased towards him now but I certainly held no bias back then and I rated it as one of the best debuts I've seen for Ireland.

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Originally Posted by danonion

At least Bramble showed flashes of brilliance when at Ipswich. McShane wasn't even any good in the games he got praise for, am I the only one that thought he was rubbish against the Czechs?

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It's McShane's "flashes of brilliance" that have me hanging on so much hope for him. At his best he's incredibly dominant. He's gone through games against some really good strikers beating them to virtually every ball.

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Originally Posted by danonion

He's slow, awkward, short and can't read the game. Why do we think he has potential? Wouldn't it be better to pin our hopes on one of the more exciting prospects in the championship that have yet to prove that they are utter rubbish?

At least Bramble showed flashes of brilliance when at Ipswich. McShane wasn't even any good in the games he got praise for, am I the only one that thought he was rubbish against the Czechs?

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wasn't he player of the season when on loan with Brighton in the championship a couple of years back?

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Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba

wasn't he player of the season when on loan with Brighton in the championship a couple of years back?

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He might have been Brighton's player of the year in 2005/06 (when he was on loan there) but that was the year they were relegated.

Pretty sure Roy Keane was Forest's Player of the Year the year they got relegated

Touché.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Pretty sure Roy Keane was Forest's Player of the Year the year they got relegated

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He also became the most expensive player in English soccer.

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Originally Posted by danonion

am I the only one that thought he was rubbish against the Czechs?

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He was at fault for the goal when he got too close to Koller but had an outstanding match that night against a very difficult player.

Considering that McShane is thought to have done quite well at his loan spell with Hull, why havent come in with a bid for him. They are obviously in the market for a RB, having bid for finnan.

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Originally Posted by danonion

He's slow, awkward, short and can't read the game. Why do we think he has potential? Wouldn't it be better to pin our hopes on one of the more exciting prospects in the championship that have yet to prove that they are utter rubbish?

At least Bramble showed flashes of brilliance when at Ipswich. McShane wasn't even any good in the games he got praise for, am I the only one that thought he was rubbish against the Czechs?

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I agree with you to a certain pint - I don't think he was rubbish against the Czechs but his performance was totally overblown and he cost us the goal.

He has no potential - in fact I cannot believe he is playing at the level he is

So he gets recalled from loan and doesn't even get on the bench for his second game back? You need to pull a Craig Bellamy son and get the hell back down to Hull! I can't believe he's a Premiership regular myself but I've seen him play a few times for Hull and he hasn't looked bad in their system.

I've lost confidence in McShane but in no way do I blame him for Koller's goal. Good forwards beat defenders sometimes - it happens. If you were to blame McShane you'd pretty much fault defenders for almost any goal scored. Wayne Henderson was badly at fault, not to mention JO'S.

I blame Teflon John for the Koller goal at home in the last campaign. In fact he was also at fault for the Slovak's equaliser in Bratislava later on. O'Shea has been shocking for us in central defence over the last 3-4 years. He had a total stinker in Nicosia for the worst performance we've had in living memory, I remember being in the crowd and we were just telling him to hit the simple balls. Granted most of the team had shockers that night, but with Dunne sent off and Stan in the stands I would have hoped a player of his experience might have made some attempt to boss the game.

I'd pick McShane ahead of O'Shea at center back, and I'd probably pick S'ledge ahead of both.

I think O'Shea has done well under Trap at CB. I think he & Dunne have been a positive feature of Trap's reaign so far.

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Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo

I blame Teflon John for the Koller goal at home in the last campaign. In fact he was also at fault for the Slovak's equaliser in Bratislava later on.

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Thought McShane got too close to Koller for that goal if I remember right, allowing him to turn into a shooting position. Spot on about about the equaliser in Bratislava, O'Shea just turned his arse to it like a proper pansy. A Preston player did the same thing for Reira's goal for the Pool recently I noticed, I presume that wasn't St Ledger??

Being blamed for the concession of a goal against Ireland is a serious charge. There are long memories for such events.
Of all the situations you can throw against McShane's judgement, Koller's goal is not one of them.
Some memories are best left completely repressed, eg Stan's whole time in charge.

McShane has done well at Hull, he will find another club eventually.

If you're playing football and your striker gets himself one on one with the defender. If the striker doesn't beat the defender it goes down as a failure. Not the other way around imo.

Spragia backs McShane to beat boo-boys

http://www.safc.com/news/?page_id=16728

I didn't realise he even played last night. Disgraceful scum fans booing him (those that did. Not the entire Sunderland fanbase ;)).

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Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo

I blame Teflon John for the Koller goal at home in the last campaign. In fact he was also at fault for the Slovak's equaliser in Bratislava later on. O'Shea has been shocking for us in central defence over the last 3-4 years. He had a total stinker in Nicosia for the worst performance we've had in living memory, I remember being in the crowd and we were just telling him to hit the simple balls. Granted most of the team had shockers that night, but with Dunne sent off and Stan in the stands I would have hoped a player of his experience might have made some attempt to boss the game.



I'd pick McShane ahead of O'Shea at center back, and I'd probably pick S'ledge ahead of both.

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If you'd pick Mcshane ahead of O'Shea in any position then you know nothing about football