FAI Junior Cup 2011/12

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Originally Posted by badker

Depends what he was sent off for? there is a chance the red card could have been rescinded by the referee after the game. Especially since it was at local level. If Tralee played him illegally it will cost them the game. I cannot see how a manager or secretary would take a chance on playing him.

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Tralee Dynamos keeper was sent off in previous round for a head butt on a Spa Road player. It was a straight red and not a second yellow. Tralee then played a league game a week later with out the keeper thinking he was suspended for that match and not for the next round of the FAI Junior cup against Shannonside. The keeper played in this game and as a result of an objection by Shannonside , Tralee have been thrown out of the competition and rightly so. A club who claim to be big should know the correct rules and if they don't then they should off made sure by asking someone .

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Originally Posted by Aldo

Tralee Dynamos keeper was sent off in previous round for a head butt on a Spa Road player. It was a straight red and not a second yellow. Tralee then played a league game a week later with out the keeper thinking he was suspended for that match and not for the next round of the FAI Junior cup against Shannonside. The keeper played in this game and as a result of an objection by Shannonside , Tralee have been thrown out of the competition and rightly so. A club who claim to be big should know the correct rules and if they don't then they should off made sure by asking someone .

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What do u mean by a club WHO CLAIM TO BE BIG should know the correct rules...It sounds as if you are a bit happy Dynamos have been thrown out.Tralee Dynamos are a big club.And from what I was told it was a genuine mistake from them.They did not need to play their keeper if they knew he was suspended as they have a further 2 guys who would slot right in.Its a costly mistake by them but life goes on!

So are shannonside now home to sherriff yc in the 5th round since tralee were thrown out?? Heard also that is was a member of a team in kerry that tipped off shannonside about the sending off

RULE 78. MISCONDUCT BY PLAYERS
1. Including the automatic suspension incurred, the overall suspension imposed on any player receiving a direct red card shall be for:
a) at least one match for denying the opposing team a clear goal-scoring opportunity (particularly by
deliberately handling the ball);
b) at least one match for unsporting conduct.
c) at least two matches for serious foul play (particularly in the case of the use of excessive or brute force);
d) at least three matches for assaulting (deliberately pushing, pulling, striking, butting, elbowing, punching, kicking etc. Touching is not an assault) an opponent or a person other than a match official;
e) at least six matches for assaulting by spitting at an opponent or a person other than a match official.
f) at least 12 months for assaulting (deliberately pushing, pulling, spitting, striking, butting, elbowing, punching, kicking etc. Touching is not an assault) a match official.

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Originally Posted by buddygeary23

So are shannonside now home to sherriff yc in the 5th round since tralee were thrown out?? Heard also that is was a member of a team in kerry that tipped off shannonside about the sending off

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Not too sure wat happens now.Either Shannonside get to play Sherriff or else Sherriff get a bye in the 5th round I think.There would b a lot of people willing to tip someone off if it meant it was going to have a bad affect on Dynamos.An awful lot of jealousy and bitterness in the league cause Dynamos are successful.

Probably but not successful on this occasion

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Originally Posted by Longshanks

do Shannonside get to play Sherriff so??

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If Tralee have been thrown out (and it looks like they have been) then, yes, Shannonside should be at home draw against Sherriff.

As far as I know.. Shannonside can't be put back in as the draw would then be null and void.. Stupid I know but I think that's the rules.. Sherriff will just get a bye..

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Originally Posted by Second

As far as I know.. Shannonside can't be put back in as the draw would then be null and void.. Stupid I know but I think that's the rules.. Sherriff will just get a bye..

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On what do you base that conclusion?

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Originally Posted by buddygeary23

Probably but not successful on this occasion

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I dont think they were trying to gain anything by playing a suspended player,they didnt need to!

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Originally Posted by nononsense

On what do you base that conclusion?

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I have also heard that Sherriff will get a bye as the draw has already been made and shannonside were knocked out already!

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Originally Posted by realcelt

I have also heard that Sherriff will get a bye as the draw has already been made and shannonside were knocked out already!

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if thats the case then why lodge an appeal? I mean if you aint gonna benefit from lodging an appeal why do it, unless you are out to get the team who beat you?

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Originally Posted by Longshanks

if thats the case then why lodge an appeal? I mean if you aint gonna benefit from lodging an appeal why do it, unless you are out to get the team who beat you?

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I know.It doesnt make any sense really!

Shannonside FC V Sheriff YC this Sunday kick off at 2. So obviously if a club, beaten in a competiton appeal a decision before the next round is played, the beaten team replace the offending team. easy really. it only gets complicated if the next round has been played. Remember it happened to pike 2 years ago. they had got to something like the quarter finals before they were kicked out after an appeal from a team they haad beaten 2 or 3 rounds before, if memory serves me correct, the team they were supposed to play got a bye, maybe someone from pike might comfirm

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Originally Posted by Second

As far as I know.. Shannonside can't be put back in as the draw would then be null and void.. Stupid I know but I think that's the rules.. Sherriff will just get a bye..

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St.Michaels were beaten by Pike Rovers 2 years ago but were reinstated to the competition after Pike were thrown out on appeal. Again it was for an illegal player, so surely the same rules would apply for all clubs.

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Originally Posted by ponyobrien

St.Michaels were beaten by Pike Rovers 2 years ago but were reinstated to the competition after Pike were thrown out on appeal. Again it was for an illegal player, so surely the same rules would apply for all clubs.

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Can someone shed some light here surely if Tralee Dynamoes played an illegal player in the game against Shannonside....Shannonside will be awarded the tie????

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Originally Posted by ponyobrien

St.Michaels were beaten by Pike Rovers 2 years ago but were reinstated to the competition after Pike were thrown out on appeal. Again it was for an illegal player, so surely the same rules would apply for all clubs.

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I was hoping the Pike/St Micheals wouldnt affair wouldnt be brought up again....dont want to go through that again....and if it is to be discussed can it be done with a level of maturity with no name calling?!!?!?

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Originally Posted by ponyobrien

St.Michaels were beaten by Pike Rovers 2 years ago but were reinstated to the competition after Pike were thrown out on appeal. Again it was for an illegal player, so surely the same rules would apply for all clubs.

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In this years FAI senior cup, was Sherrif not thrown out for playing an illegal player after they beat Shellbourne, and Shellbourne was re-instated so i expect the same rules would apply to the Junior cup.

shannonside have already been reinstated, i know the sheriff team well and they had a hotel for sat night booked in tralee and they've now cancelled it and hav made alternative plans to travel to limerick. as faras i know tralee dinamos hav been advised by the fai not to appeal as this case is very "black and white" and they would not have a hope. on another note the secretary or management or who ever checks these thing at tralee dinamos out should hang there head in shame, how could they not no the player is suspended for the next round its obvious its a national cup so why on earth would he miss a league match.. id say shannonside cant believe there luck!

When is the FAI 6th Round draw held? The 5th Round was out before the 4th round was played!