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Chatting a Linfield fan this morning, he said the sticking point might not be the IFA or Linfield but the PSNI, they may not want the hassle. I'd like to think times have moved on but would it be a case of maybe having to bus Derry fans in and out?Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
I thought we had all moved on from this.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
Derry fans were never bussed in and out of Windsor, except the supporters club at the university in Belfast.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
You can drive there and park on Boucher Road handily enough. Would be outrageous if the PSNI say no, IMO.
Would they need to?Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
I could be completely wrong here, but even if technically they needed a UK visa, and assuming they are flying into Dublin with Irish visas, does anyone entering NI from ROI currently need a visa? And even if they should, is anyone going to check? Or even care?
As "Outspoken" says, the PSNI might be more likely to object, not on account of the "politics" etc, but rather because having to supply officers for crowd control for 8-10k(?) fans on the streets of Belfast with minimal notice, could cause problems for their rosters and overtime, as well as eating into their budget.
Personally I really hope they don't, and think they won't. But police forces everywhere tend not to be fans of football crowds generally, irrespective of which team they support.
Interesting commentary here on KI Klaksvik, looking at the circumstances behind their European run - maybe it shouldn't have been as much of a surprise as everyone else thought:Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66405575
Cracking photo included, too:
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cp...0236_photo.jpg
(KI usually play their football at the Djupumyrar stadium, but will host the rest of their European matches at the bigger Torsvollur in the capital)
https://i.imgur.com/cMoh9xHl.jpegQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Stunning photo from the Faroes.
Windsor and its surroundings are designed to be a very easy stadium to police. I doubt fans of any club have had to be bussed in and out of there for decades?Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
Dundalk fans were bussed in and out for a Setanta Cup tie in 2011 and it was mandatory to be able to attend. We played there in the Unite the Union Cup again in 2019 and while it was strongly recommended to travel with the official club buses, it wasn't strictly enforced.
Note how that's their stadium on the left - two small stands and (an uncovered?) terrace behind the goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophizer
While I assume that the ground on the right with running track etc is also a multisport facility for the locals etc.
Meanwhile, I suspect the two big black-roofed buildings (bottom left) may also be indoor sports facilities (gym? sports hall? pool?). And just noticed a third building between them and the multisport.
All of which for a town of 5k on a small rock in the middle of the North Atlantic puts our equivalents in Ireland, N & S, to shame.
Exactly. Very small, but beautifully tidy sports facilities. And slap bang in the centre of the bay for easy access for all.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
The nordics just do things better!
Not just the Nordics. A friend of mine who ran a football club in Dublin moved to Germany a couple of years ago, and said it is so much easier to hire pitches over there. Every town and village will have good quality council-owned sports facilities that are available to hire at a reasonable price. That doesn't happen here, where pitches are reducing in number all the time and demand for them is high. And then we wonder why so many people stop doing sport after school or uni, and why the public's health isn't what it is in other countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophizer
True. A mate recently moved to Dublin from Netherlands and has told me similar stories - Immaculate football facilities all over the country.
Those countries are decades ahead of us in terms of infrastructure, as outlined by the recent fai report. In truth, most of us in the know didn’t need an fai report to tell us that, but at least they’ve finally for their act together.
Tbf, if you've ever been to the Faroes, there's usually nowhere else you can build anything - basically each island stands out like a big dog's ******, straight up out of the ocean. Even the sheep have two legs only half as long as the two on their other side, it's that steep!Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophizer
For a minute, I read that as "Nordies" :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Philosophizer
But you're dead right. Mind you, they might as well put their money and time into stuff like that, since once the fishing boats have tied up for the day, there's precious little else to do, especially in winter.
Still, a marvellous place to visit, if not to live.
No way it's a direct flight then?Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
Stopping in Budapest and Tbilisi for refueling I seen somewhere…..Quote:
Originally Posted by pateen
You won't get a charter with range enough to Kazakhstan I would say
Something like Budapest and Tbilisi makes sense
And they've now won their first leg at home to Molde, so just 90 minutes away from an upgrade to Europa League at a minimum, should they hold out in Norway.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
What a team!
2 brilliant goals for KI scored by their best player Arni Frederiksberg, his first reminded me of Brady's v Brazil, where everybody was expecting a cross and he wrongfooted them all.
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Arni's brace
https://youtu.be/T3B1HtADwVU?t=34
A lot of commercial passenger jets have sufficient range to fly the 3,000+ miles to Astana non-stop. But even if you could afford to charter one, the runway at Eglinton surely isn't long enough to permit it to take off safely, and certainly not with a full fuel load - they'd still be taxi-ing past Dungiven!Quote:
Originally Posted by pateen
I'm sure they've chartered a much smaller jet, which is why it has to stop twice en route.
With a 5 hours time difference that's not too shabby.Quote:
https://foot.ie/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by brendy_éire https://foot.ie/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png
Team flying from Derry at 9 this morning, arriving into Kostanay at 1 in the morning Kazakh time. Proper trek, even with a charter.
Imo to be drawn at home in the first leg is a huge advantage over the tie. Derry have to make that trip twice before the 2nd leg is played.
The thing I don’t understand is why Derry had their game last Sunday away to UCD postponed when they weren’t flying until Tuesday, but their game this coming Sunday at home to Drogheda is going ahead despite it being so soon after the trek back from Kazakhstan
Are Derry expecting 12,000 fans to travel to Windsor Park if they are allowed to use this venue?
I doubt if the Belfast soccer public will support Derry City FC from the League of Ireland in great numbers!
Even Linfield struggle to attract big attendances for European fixtures over the years!
I don’t get that either and would rather have just played it, with all respect to UCD could have probably made several changes and still managed the points and it’s a game we then don’t have to worry about down the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract
I would say if tie is alive there will be a large crowd (the talk of Belfast has created an extra bit of buzz now too). Linfield aren’t as well supported as Derry in general with average crowds significantly below ours even with bigger away crowds and the boost from the home Glentoran game crowd.Quote:
Originally Posted by nr637
Still seems strange. Astana is closer than New York. What's the nearest international airport to the club?Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
It's only closer if you fly over Russia, which you can't (and don't want to) do right now.
Kostanay has an international airport
I've no idea of the figures, but to charter a modern passenger jet like eg a 757, holding 200-250 passengers, must cost an absolute fortune - that's if one is available, since they're likely all in regular airline service.Quote:
Originally Posted by pateen
Much more financially sensible to charter a smaller, older aircraft and just accept that you have to do it in stages.
As for runways, Aldergrove would possibly be long enough(?), but if not, the new runway at Dublin airport should certainly do it, Shannon also. But as I say, that's academic, not least because (as pineapple says), avoiding Russian airspace must add 1,000 miles or more to the trip.
If all you can get a short notice is a small plane (which is also all you need to move a fairly small number of people), then having to stop to refuel is no great surprise. It's big jets that are flying non-stop to New York, presumably not small charter planes.Quote:
Originally Posted by pateen
Over the last few days the fact we have learned is that stadiums are not up to it and something should be done before thinking about anything else. Clubs’ development need a good structure regarding facilities and that should be the prime goal in the short term.
That would be key in improving the football quality in this country and,as we are seeing with other countries, European results.
It’s been depressing to see that Klaksvik have to travel only 30 miles to play their remaining matches this season while Derry City won’t play anymore at their own ground regardless of how much they progress.
This. Team flying on an E145 with 49 seats, so two stops needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
Charter costs are astronomical at present. The club looked at an A320 to Kuopio (174 seasts), it was over a quarter of a million. Would have been charging fans the guts of £1.5k for a ticket, so they went with the E145 instead.
The club charged £450 for the 1h15m charter flight to the Faroes on an A320, which they filled, and still lost money on it.
It's a 'no' to Windsor. That'll put loads off travelling.
https://www.derryjournal.com/sport/f...2dU1ors5vDixbM
I’ll head up that game in Tallaght. It’s hard to expect a big crowd at it. It’s a lot of traveling for a home game.
Wonder what the pricing will be. I don't think we can charge our usual £25/€29 and expect decent numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
Should reduce it to a tenner and get locals in, IMO.
When Dundalk played there, did they get many Dubs going?
Surprised UEFA were rigid on this. For instance what would a club like FC Vaduz do if they got through a few rounds.
They reached the groups last year and hosted their games in their own ground
LoI stadiums are ****
The BATE match had a great crowd I remember. Near capacity I’d say. I think Tallaght only had 2 stands at that time tho - so about 6k capacity. Also the tie was still in the balance for the leg in Tallaght. And Dundalk is a hell of a lot closer than Derry so people could easily make the round trip that eve.Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
No argument there.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu