Seems Allison is starting tonight.
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Seems Allison is starting tonight.
That's no surprise as last season Kelleher was benched when they met the first PL team in the cup only playing against Shrewsbury and Cardiff. Unless Allison gets injured his season was over once they were knocked out of the EFL cup.
Wild mistake from Alisson. Klopp probably should have played Kelleher
Could argue Alisson was poor for the second Wolves goal too.
Don't think there's much argument about it.
Not a great situation for Liverpool I would suggest, having a keeper who knows he is undroppable, gets to hand pick his own goalkeeping coach etc. Somewhere else you might see a keeper rotated out for a few games as a wake up call for him, but no prospect of that here.
Maybe Klopp will be brave and pick Kelleher for the replay?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Klopp must be reading here! He does start; they're 1-0 up with 20 to go, though Wolves haven't had a shot on target as yet.
Great Goal-keeping (wink)Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
He was certainly a lot more solid than Alisson in the drawn game anyway. Might that be enough to get him another run out against Brighton in the next round?
That's his 20th senior appearance for Liverpool tonight. Ben Doak, who is a full seven years younger than him already has five.
Had so little to do but looked very composed doing it!
quite a few PL clubs will be looking for a GK in the summer, great time for CK to look for a move. If spurs get rid of conte it wouldnt surprise me all that much if a younger manager came in along with kelleher. wolves + leicester more realistic atm though provided neither go down. its all about timing as they say...
If Liverpool believed Kelleher was elite would it not be in their interest to sell Alisson, who's 30 and often touted as the world's best goalkeeper for a huge fee, and let our lad step up? I think Kloop, like many of us, has his doubts about Kelleher.
Alisson seems to be the one holding Liverpool's season together going off various goalkeeper stats. And it's a pretty crap season. I don't see how it can be in their interests to sell their best performing player when they're in a desperate struggle to even make Europe.
Sell one of if not the best keeper in the world to play a kid with 20 senior appearances for Liverpool? Don't think Klopp has doubts it's just he knows it would be an idiotic thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
At what age will 24-year-old Kelleher not be a kid?Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
24 is probably the last age that players are considered young in football. The first batch of decent under 21s we produced for a long time, the group Kenny managed, start turning 25 this year. So not kids for much longer.
I think you can take it though that even if Kelleher's not a kid any more, that doesn't mean you turf out Alisson and start Kelleher. And not doing that doesn't mean Klopp doesn't trust Kelleher.
Not kids any longer ~ ~ Has society become that infantalised that People are calling Men aged 24 ~ Kids ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Shirley ~ Kelleher has to go out on loan next season if Allison stays fit / performing and at Liverpool ?
I read (@indykaila on twitter so probably based on nothing whatsoever) that Liverpool say he can leave if his £25-30m valuation is met.
The frustrating thing is we still can't take a proper view on just how good he is. Well I can't anyway. His best bits have been really good (Hungary friendly, League Cup Final...), some less impressive bits - normal in a goalkeeper -, but what's he like week in / week out?
Why would pool turf out the best gk in the world for CK? some nonsense god almighty. as for looking for a loan this summer, it doesnt really benefit liverpool at this point so it looks like a non runner. selling is the only option imo. the pl market will be open enough for a first choice gks this summer, he'll garner plenty of interest.
That tweet is where a lot of the speculation started from. It got picked up by a few of the ireland fan accounts, and some of them have deleted their posts since thenQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
That says a lot, IMO
Kid, rookie, inexperienced, call it what you want but the lad has less games played for Liverpool than Gavin Bazunu has for Southampton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
But it could be in Liverpool's best interest to sell the best keeper in the world to make Kelleher their new number one.
£30mil would make Kelleher the 7th most expensive keeper of all time. They're not getting that much.
Ramsdale moved to Arsenal for €28mil. He's the same age, is English and played almost 10 times the amount of Premier League games than Kelleher by the time he turned 22.
Can only see Liverpool selling him at this point,I follow Liverpool and Allison has been their best player this season,CK isn’t going to displace him but is good enough to start elsewhere for me,the club will be looking to raise funds this summer for the midfield so hopefully he’ll get a good move to a club where he’ll start regularly….
This post is a dose of realism.Quote:
Originally Posted by ColourfulPeanut
CK will go for 15-20 mil. 4 or 5 pl clubs will need no1 in the summer + is HG status is valuable. Ramsdale would have went for double if Sheff U stayed up, they had little to no leverage as a championship club.
They'll do well to get £10-15m for a largely inexperienced and untested goalkeeper, at any level. 20 senior appearances for a 24 year old is abysmal.
He's a good goalkeeper, but will rue not having got a loan spell somewhere.
id say he rues not going out to mk dons or plymouth instead of deputising for the best keeper in the world + being a part of one of the best clubs teams of the past 5 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Does that give him more appearances?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
If he'd gone out earlier he'd have had more of a chance of being a number one elsewhere, and being Ireland number one, as the current Ireland number one has done.
Rather than being backup to one of the best goalkeepers in the world at one of the best clubs in the world, he decided he actually wants to play football. Funny that.
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Originally Posted by JR89
Yes, if Klopp considered Kelleher elite as you indicated he does. My opinion is irrelevant but if you're dying to know - I wouldn't pay a penny beyond £8 million (pre add-ons). He's unproven on a week-to-week EPL basis. I have watched a few games with hardcore Liverpool fans and it's hearts-in-mouths time any time the ball is near Kelleher. It's called Karius Syndrome. But then again I wouldn't have paid circa £15m for Bazunu either - and most Southampton fans, from what I gather on forums, would agree with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
If Ramsdale had moved for double he would have been the 3rd most expensive goalkeeper of all time. His fee was fair, if not a bit excessive. Keepers don't typically move for massive money unless they're young and already proven at a high level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
Some Irish fans need to get a grip with Caoimhin. He's completely unproven and untested. Premier League teams don't care if he's fetched the balls for Alisson for the past 5 years or if he's won a handful of medals, mainly from the bench. He's played 30 mens competetive football matches and he'll turn 25 before the year is out. The majority of those matches were with a Liverpool team who are world class, play a high defensive line and don't get pressed high. There is 0 guarantee he will kick on with another club and prove his potential.
We have no idea how good he is or how good he will be but his career stagnation is approaching critical level. Ramsdale is an interesting parallel to both our keepers. His career path has almost matched Bazunu's to a tee so far but is the same age as Kelleher. At 20 Ramsdale was on loan at AFC Wimbledon then played 37 Premier League games the next year. He spent 2 years at Premier League strugglers taking his lumps before getting a big move.
Where did I say Klopp thinks Kelleher is elite. Said I doubt he has doubts about Kelleher because otherwise he wouldn't be the number two with his lack of experience at one of the best clubs the last few seasons. He's a good number two for Liverpool and could make it as a Premier League keeper but Alisson is the best keeper in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
Sorry but as a Liverpool fan I’m not hearing anybody making heart in the mouth comments. I was talking today to a contributor to The Anfield Wrap who seriously entertained the option of selling Allison, as he’s that impressed with Kelleher. Actually focussed on his calmness and confidence taking the high ball between two Wolves defenders in the week. The Karius comment is something I’ve simply not heard from anyone and is actually borderline ludicrous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
Bit of balance needed here maybe? I've been in favour of Kelleher moving for game time for a long while now but he isn't completely untested. He hasn't been put through the ringer yet like Bazunu has but he's played in some competitive games and done well. Completely fair to say he's been behind a strong team that doesn't cough up the amount of chances he will face with Ireland but there's merit in him playing with good players and learning how to operate with proper trust just as there's problems with Bazunu playing with poor players in front of him. There's also value in Bazunu facing all these randomly coughed up chances but you need confidence and it's hard to develop that if you're under fire from all angles. Not speaking as a goalkeeper or a coach of course. Just what I would think.
At the moment, I think Kelleher should play one of the upcoming friendlies, preferably the France one so he gets tested. Bazunu is going through a ropey patch right now so it's absolutely fine to look at our best other option. If Kelleher does well it would also possibly help him get the move he needs. Having the two lads properly fighting for the Irish jersey would be great. I question Kelleher's ambition a little bit but he's making the right sounds now about a move at least. It's definitely time at this point. I don't think anyone disagrees there.
The only friendly we have coming up is Latvia, just before France (that's not a friendly, it's a Euro qualifier). I don't mind Kelleher starting it and Bazunu take the French game, but at the same time perhaps Kenny will treat it as a warm up so Bazunu can build chemistry ahead of the competitive game that comes only a few days later.
The France game isn't a friendly! Although I think we're on a hiding to nothing in that one anyway, so maybe it may as well be a friendly.
I'd have Kelleher as our number 1 at present fwiw. I think he's done well enough in enough big games to show he's Premier Division quality (even if that's just mid-table, and Stutts' comments about how he fares week-in-week-out are valid of course). I don't think Bazunu is there yet, as this season is showing (and I'm counting the Armenia game in that too)
Thanks for the correction. Not sure how I thought it was a friendly. One friendly leading into to a major tournament just seems strange.
In that case......I've no idea what I'd do. Whoever plays against Latvia should play against France for continuity so I'd stick with Bazunu most likely but he looks shook at the moment.
I'll level with you stu - there's been drink involved here.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I've always thought the same as the bit in bold but there's an argument that says he doesn't need to do it week in week out for Ireland as well I suppose. He seems capable when called upon. I'd just like to see him play more so he achieves his highest potential.
Cheer up, yous still have a chance at finishing 5thQuote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793