Cork City denied a licence; club to be wound up; FORAS to enter First Division

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15/10/2009, 12:15 AM
blue til i die

Cork City fans to stage pitch protest

By John Riordan

Thursday, October 15, 2009

SUPPORTERS of Cork City will hold a peaceful centre circle protest at Turner�s Cross tomorrow night prior to the League of Ireland Premier Division clash with Bohemians.

The rally, organised by supporters trust, FORAS, according to a statement issued by the board of management is aimed at highlighting to the FAI "that CCIFL (Cork City Investments FC Limited) under Mr (Tom) Coughlan are not suitable licence holders and should not be awarded a licence for next season".

The statement released last night pointed out that match night organisers had been consulted and that this approach was the best course of action "to exert some control and order over the very real anger felt by members".

The protest is also aimed at showing "solidarity and support for the proposed industrial action by the players, and will highlight the ongoing wage difficulties faced by our loyal players and staff.

"This course of action gives supporters an opportunity to vent their anger," the memo added, "while continuing to support the players and staff financially, in the face of the increasing and understandable calls for a total boycott of all Cork City FC games while Mr Coughlan remains at the club."

FORAS called on fans to avoid offensive banners, slogans or chants and to behave in a dignified manner, requesting those who wish to participate to gather in the Curragh Road Stand by 7.20pm.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/c...st-103372.html
15/10/2009, 12:21 AM
holidaysong

Hopefully RT� show it live in their pre-match build up.
15/10/2009, 2:11 PM
Leeside Swagger

Programme starts at 7.30 and KO is 7.35. They'll probably mention it but they wont really have time to go into too much detail.
15/10/2009, 2:56 PM
The Lep

Will Cork then get fined for a pitch invasion?
15/10/2009, 3:04 PM
pineapple stu

Sure they can't pay a fine anyway.
15/10/2009, 3:05 PM
Mr A

They can offer to pay it in monthly instalments :)
15/10/2009, 3:12 PM
Leeside Swagger

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Lep

Will Cork then get fined for a pitch invasion?

I wouldnt think its pitch invasion unless it occurs during the match so they should be safe enough.
15/10/2009, 3:54 PM
passerrby

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Lep

Will Cork then get fined for a pitch invasion?

while they may fine shamrock rovers for a flare or longford for a floodlight bulb not working or some such stupity they will not fine cork as they wolud not want to undermine there prize bull (or should that be bullshi*ters)
15/10/2009, 3:55 PM
Celdrog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leeside Swagger

I wouldnt think its pitch invasion unless it occurs during the match so they should be safe enough.

The Drogs had the league tropy presentation on the pitch, in 2007, on the advice of the Gardai. The club were also instruced , by the guards, to allow fans onto the pitch as it would be safer and easier to control. So....

First ever league title presentation
Took place 10 minutes after the final whistle
Instructed by the Gardai to do so
Nobody went onto the pitch until the stewards instructed them to.... so......

The FAI fined the Drogs for fans on the pitch :confused:
15/10/2009, 6:29 PM
soccerc

League of Ireland Director Fran Gavin, FAI Internal Compliance Officer Padraig Smith, and Noel Mooney of FAI will tomorrow sit down formally with representatives of Foras, the independent Cork City Supporter’s Trust, to discuss Trust’s general concerns and those with respect to the League of Ireland license for Cork City Football Club for next year.

The FAI is committed to the future of senior football in Cork and views Foras, the fan's representative body, as an essential stakeholder in the future of Cork City Football Club.
15/10/2009, 6:38 PM
Dunny

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Lep

Will Cork then get fined for a pitch invasion?

It's the FAI, course they will, any chance for a fine, they will take it.

But as Stu already pointed out they can't pay it so no point.
15/10/2009, 7:39 PM
blue til i die

Cork City Football Club are pleased to confirm that the petition to wind up Cork City Football Club by former player Gareth Farrelly has been withdrawn, by agreement of both parties.

The present board of CCFC has inherited this issue, and like other problems it has inherited this season, it has now been resolved. The club now looks forward to facing next season without any of these inherited incumbencies.

We would like to thank Gareth Farrelly for his contribution to Cork City FC and wish him the best of luck for the future.
15/10/2009, 8:30 PM
John83

Quote:

Originally Posted by blue til i die

... the petition to wind up Cork City Football Club by former player Gareth Farrelly has been withdrawn...

Zombie Cork takes another shotgun barrel and staggers on.
15/10/2009, 8:35 PM
SMorgan

Well they can't say they inheritted the Alan Matthews case. It was entirely of their own making.
15/10/2009, 8:36 PM
Ezeikial

Quote:

Originally Posted by soccerc

League of Ireland Director Fran Gavin, FAI Internal Compliance Officer Padraig Smith, and Noel Mooney of FAI will tomorrow sit down formally with representatives of Foras, the independent Cork City Supporter�s Trust, to discuss Trust�s general concerns and those with respect to the League of Ireland license for Cork City Football Club for next year.

The FAI is committed to the future of senior football in Cork and views Foras, the fan's representative body, as an essential stakeholder in the future of Cork City Football Club.

It may not be already clear that the above is a formal press release issued by the FAI. It speaks volumnes that FORAS are identified by the FAI as "an essential stakeholder". Thats a very strong statement by the experts of fudge.
15/10/2009, 9:08 PM
sheao

Great step to see the FAI sitting down with FORAS . This has been a long time coming imo . Tomorrow night should be great if it all goes off saftly and there is no hassle while fans are on the pitch . It really will be a great oppertunity to get the message across to a national audience that we are fed up of TNB at our club .
15/10/2009, 9:26 PM
dcfcsteve

Quote:

Originally Posted by passerrby

while they may fine shamrock rovers for a flare or longford for a floodlight bulb not working or some such stupity they will not fine cork as they wolud not want to undermine there prize bull (or should that be bullshi*ters)

WTF ?!? :confused:

:o
15/10/2009, 9:36 PM
sheao

FORAS welcomes tonight's FAI statement regarding our meeting tomorrow afternoon. The meeting, which was requested by the FAI, will discuss the future granting of a licence to CCIFL under Tom Coughlan among other concerns. FORAS welcome this opportunity to outline our concerns to those responsible for the running of the League.

FORAS will use this meeting to argue against the granting of a licence to CCIFL and be putting forward an alternative to this scenario. The anger felt by many genuine Cork City supporters is palpable at this time and is becoming increasingly hard to control. This is the main reason the FORAS BoM felt the need to intervene and take control of the protest.

As a trust we are not just about protesting for the sake of it. Every protest must have a message and the protest this Friday night was to highlight our belief that CCIFL are not suitable holders of a licence sanctioned by the FAI.

The FAI has now publicly acknowledged these concerns and have, for the first time, agreed to sit down formally with FORAS, who in their words are, an essential stakeholder in the future of Cork City FC. This is a very significant development and one which the FORAS BoM must, on behalf of its membership, treat seriously. The meeting affords FORAS the opportunity to state our case directly to the FAI in the strongest possible terms.
Having discussed the continuation of the planned protest the BoM has decided that it is in the best interests of the Trust to postpone the protest.

We have decided on this postponement only because the FAI has sought to address our concerns directly and we welcome this development. We cannot stress enough that the proposed protest has already achieved its goal without a single supporter's foot stepping onto the field at Turner's Cross. We request that all supporters respect our decision to postpone; please do not enter the field of play at Turner's Cross tomorrow night but we ask you to make your voice heard loudly from within the stands of Turner's Cross and show your displeasure with the current ownership regime in the same dignified manner that supporters showed at the recent Sligo Rovers game.

FORAS have a responsibility to our members to ensure that we do everything possible to safeguard the future of our beloved club. At this moment in time this is best served by meeting with the FAI to outline our concerns and detail our own plans to them.

This will not deter us from taking future protest action should we feel it is in the best interests of the trust and the club. We ask all members and supporters to understand that the postponement of the protest was not one we took lightly.

Regards,
FORAS BoM
15/10/2009, 10:09 PM
A face

Quote:

Originally Posted by passerrby

while they may fine shamrock rovers for a flare or longford for a floodlight bulb not working or some such stupity they will not fine cork as they wolud not want to undermine there prize bull (or should that be bullshi*ters)

Ah, i dunno how to respond to that, but just because you have an inferiority complex doesn't mean we're not better than you :eek:

passerrby, come man, you know that aint true, we got fined for singing 'Barry and Charlie, the best of friends' at Barry Ryan when we played Pats a while back. We all thought at that time that they would literally fine us for anything at that stage.
15/10/2009, 10:12 PM
tiktok

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ezeikial

It may not be already clear that the above is a formal press release issued by the FAI. It speaks volumnes that FORAS are identified by the FAI as "an essential stakeholder". Thats a very strong statement by the experts of fudge.

Very strong statement.
I hear someone is hopping mad over it
16/10/2009, 12:12 AM
James

stop being disingenuous tiktok ;)
16/10/2009, 6:42 AM
tiktok

Quote:

Originally Posted by James

stop being disingenuous tiktok ;)

We're officially 'genuine' now James, haven't you read the statement ;)

Edit: I just realised 'ingenuous' isn't neccessarilt a good thing either :D
16/10/2009, 7:41 AM
Macy

The proof will be in the pudding i guess. At this remover, it just looks like the FAI have stopped an embarrassing protest on live TV. That is no disrespect to FORAS, but a total lack of faith in the FAI. Hopefully the FAI do listen to the concerns and move on them.
16/10/2009, 8:27 AM
Mr_Parker

"Having discussed the continuation of the planned protest the BoM has decided that it is in the best interests of the Trust to postpone the protest."

Are they just talking to them to avoid the embarassment of this happening on national TV? Yes call me cynical.
16/10/2009, 8:56 AM
pineapple stu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

Are they just talking to them to avoid the embarassment of this happening on national TV? Yes call me cynical.

Maybe, but so what? The point of the protest wasn't to have a protest; it was to try and get Coughlan removed. Yes, the FAI are two-faced feckers at the best of times, but it seems to me like an immediate mission accomplished by FORAS.
16/10/2009, 9:54 AM
tiktok

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

Are they just talking to them to avoid the embarassment of this happening on national TV? Yes call me cynical.

There are other televised games left if they're only paying us lip-service.
16/10/2009, 12:11 PM
seand

Fair play to Foras, it's pretty much unprecendented for a national association to sit down with a Trust that's essentially arguing against their own club (in its current format) getting a licence.

Incidentally we're over 1,000 posts so far on the demise of Cork in this thread alone!
16/10/2009, 12:15 PM
Longfordian

I think it's no great secret that the FAI want Tom gone. Ideally of his own accord but if not I'd expect him to get the Danny Drew treatment. The Alan Mathews case if it goes against them, and who'd bet against Tom having made a balls of it, could finish him off. It's listed for the end of this month isn't it?. No doubt Tom will seek another adjournment.
16/10/2009, 2:48 PM
marinobohs

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheao

Great step to see the FAI sitting down with FORAS . This has been a long time coming imo . Tomorrow night should be great if it all goes off saftly and there is no hassle while fans are on the pitch . It really will be a great oppertunity to get the message across to a national audience that we are fed up of TNB at our club .

Or I would suggest the meeting with FORAS is to ensure any pitch invasion /demonstration is well over before the cameras start to roll. I suspect the FAI policy is for Cork City to stagger on until the season ends and then for action to be taken to ensure the circus does not carry over to next season.
16/10/2009, 2:55 PM
Roo69

Quote:

Originally Posted by marinobohs

Or I would suggest the meeting with FORAS is to ensure any pitch invasion /demonstration is well over before the cameras start to roll. I suspect the FAI policy is for Cork City to stagger on until the season ends and then for action to be taken to ensure the circus does not carry over to next season.

It will carry on to next season though, Cork have been through it pretty much all this season and i feel really sorry for the fans, but sanctions muct be taken against the club, its as simple as that really. They should not be granted a Premier Division licence next season for what has happened and continues to happen this season IMO. The sooner the FAI take action the soonet Cork can try and sort this mess out.
16/10/2009, 3:01 PM
marinobohs

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roo69

It will carry on to next season though, Cork have been through it pretty much all this season and i feel really sorry for the fans, but sanctions muct be taken against the club, its as simple as that really. They should not be granted a Premier Division licence next season for what has happened and continues to happen this season IMO. The sooner the FAI take action the soonet Cork can try and sort this mess out.

Slightly off thread but I suspect the FAI will have to seriously check all business plans for next season - and introduce penalties for any club not adherring to same (yes, including Bohs :)). the spate of fiasco like stories stretched across the League this season adds fuel to those belittling the League and makes "selling" it well nigh impossible. As self regulation is no regulation (well it is Ireland) I would expect the FAI to act to prevent similar stories arising next season.
although maybe I am just living in hope (but he told me they were magic beans....).
16/10/2009, 3:04 PM
dcfcsteve

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roo69

It will carry on to next season though,

How will it ? :confused: I'd wager the likelihood of a Danny Drew situation is very high regarding Coughlan.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roo69

The sooner the FAI take action the soonet Cork can try and sort this mess out.

What can the FAI do right now though ?

What rules have Cork broken at the moment that means they can be punished ? Or is this just another of the many expectations on foot.ie for the FAI to act as God, judge, jury and executioneer even in situations where they can't ?
16/10/2009, 3:45 PM
passerrby

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

How will it ? :confused: I'd wager the likelihood of a Danny Drew situation is very high regarding Coughlan.

What can the FAI do right now though ?

What rules have Cork broken at the moment that means they can be punished ? Or is this just another of the many expectations on foot.ie for the FAI to act as God, judge, jury and executioneer even in situations where they can't ?

your right there is nothing they can do now however they have the power to refuse a licence for next season,
I would gues they are hoping that TC wil do the decent thing and fcuk off which would allow them to issue a premier licence to the new owners foras if they wished
16/10/2009, 3:48 PM
rambler14

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

What rules have Cork broken at the moment that means they can be punished ?

The question is.....what rules havn't Cork broken? They've pretty much re-written the rule book!
16/10/2009, 6:50 PM
Kildareman

Quote:

Originally Posted by marinobohs

Slightly off thread but I suspect the FAI will have to seriously check all business plans for next season - and introduce penalties for any club not adherring to same (yes, including Bohs :)). the spate of fiasco like stories stretched across the League this season adds fuel to those belittling the League and makes "selling" it well nigh impossible. As self regulation is no regulation (well it is Ireland) I would expect the FAI to act to prevent similar stories arising next season.
although maybe I am just living in hope (but he told me they were magic beans....).

Did we not read simular posts around this time last year during the fiasco in Drogheda?
17/10/2009, 12:13 AM
A face

Quote:

Originally Posted by rambler14

The question is.....what rules havn't Cork broken? They've pretty much re-written the rule book!

And what are the new rules?
17/10/2009, 12:20 AM
dcfcsteve

Quote:

Originally Posted by rambler14

The question is.....what rules havn't Cork broken? They've pretty much re-written the rule book!

Make it easy for me then, and list a couple of the league rules that they've broken......
17/10/2009, 2:27 PM
brianw82

Well, not paying players and staff for one. Not being fully tax compliant is another.
17/10/2009, 5:03 PM
Longfordian

If they have those issues sorted by 31st January they're within the rules such as they are at the moment.
17/10/2009, 5:04 PM
Mr A

I'm thinking they have most probably blown the 65% rule to pieces. Again though that is not calculated til the end of the season.

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