Different types of player totally. Fahey's a central midfielder. lawrence is a winger. lawrence is far more suited to Trap's gameQuote:
Originally Posted by rebelmusic
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Different types of player totally. Fahey's a central midfielder. lawrence is a winger. lawrence is far more suited to Trap's gameQuote:
Originally Posted by rebelmusic
Aye but original post was saying fahey was the better option on the wing :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Lawrence is a wide midfielder. He is not a winger as McGeady is, or Duff use to be. Keith has ability and had scope to show some of that ability in the wide role he was asked to play. Set pieces were one example. I think he was flat, pretty much like Lawrence was against Nigeria. The way we play with 2 CM leaves room for Fahey even if he is out wide but I think much of our stagnancy comes down to our full backs.
Too early to rule on Keith in the international set up, but at best he might have staked a place in the squad.
Agree totally with that.
my biggest moan with Fahey in the Argentina game was that he was slowing the ball down too much every time he got it,his first option almost everytime seemed to be to play the ball back the way.When Keogh and Treacy came on the game came to life for us because they 2 of them were doing more running and more direct than Sheridan and Fahey
According to the lineup on skysports.com, he was playing right full tonight against Rochdale, can anyone confirm this?
Watched some of the first half. was definitely at right full. Put in a few great crosses but looked uneasy there.
Id agree with what geysir said above thats how I would see it as well and see fahey fitting in. Lawrence is defintely not a winger, anyone with any bit of gumption can see that.
But the fact that trap has gone with 2 wingers in the past on many occassions and also with lawrence means that he is open to two out and out wingers or depending on the opposition will play a wide midfielder to help out with defensive duties.
He's just come on for Larsson on 76 minutes. Birmingham up a goal and a man.
Fahey has been absolutely terrible! He's been putting in some terrible crosses.
As the starter of this thread back in his Pats days, I just wanted to say I'm delighted for Fats
Good man Keith. Hopefully many more to come :ball:
Good Man St. Charlie. I wasn't convinced about him when he was at St. Pats or the Ireland U-20s - always saw him as a lightweight luxury player, but I'm so glad to be proved wrong!
His goal reminder me of a goal in the world cup a USA soccer player, Jason Donavon?
Lol it's not Jason but I think you know who I mean. Not quite the same becasue he did
not run onto it but it was a similar scramble and a confident finish.
This is the one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BltuF...eature=related
And it's Landon, I think Jason plays for Australia? ;)
delighted for him. well in.
repeated viewings of the goal lead me to believe it was actually harder than Fahey made it look - always a sign of excellent technique. With the rest of the goal blocked with bodies, he had to place the shot right in the corner to keep it away from the diving goalkeeper, and make the connection with the ball from behind (not underneath) to keep the shot down.
Watch where Fahey's standing foot is when the ball is struck, it's exactly in line with the path of the ball, which means the best possible connection for power, which also makes keeping the ball down more difficult.
It's an excellent finish and worthy of further study.
I did have my doubts about Fahey, and I'm still not sure where he will fit into the side with everyone available, but I really am delighted that he scored tonight.
Interesting comments from Brady about him as well in the post match analysis
Yes, although he made it look easy it really was excellent technique. It was a really easy one to mi****.
What was said exactly by Brady? i'm mates with his cousin, and I heard more about keith fahey growing up! Delighted for him and the Fahey family, and the LOI too.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I think we underestimate the technical ability of our players. Sometimes we only see the "hoofers", but the likes of Fahey, Duff, McGeady, Keogh, Andy Reid are all sumptuous ball players with wonderful technique. If we ever did need to mix it up formation wise I think we'd be able for it.
That aside, where does he fit in the side? On the left? Slightly advanced midfield role. As weird as this sounds I think Robbie Keane restricts our options to a certain degree.
Sorry, ot, this is the Fahey thread, well done lad.
always thought he was great any time I saw him for pats!Quote:
Originally Posted by Supreme feet
delighted for him anyways. the type of chance we generally make a balls of.
Just showed Tevez's miss against Sunderland last week on Soccer AM. From a similar position that Fahey scored from and an easier chance with the keeper on the other side of the area Tevez (who I rate as a fantastic striker of the ball) put it well over the bar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Mentioned working with him at Arsenal, that he couldn't settle in London and moved onto Villa and eventually back to the LOI with St Pat's. Said that it shows that you can still make a successful career for yourself as a footballer if you do fall out of the Academy/Reserve system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
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Originally Posted by Ciaran
What a tool :D
That's up there with SuperGretna in the worst predictions ever category.
One thing that puzzled me during Brady's appraisal of Fahey was his answer when Bill asked him something along the lines of can we expect to see Fahey get better or improve. Brady's answer was that he didn't think that there was much scope for him to improve (sorry I don't have the actual quotes, this computer doesn't have Real Player to check RTE). My personal impression was that Brady, although delighted to see Keith break into the Ireland and Birmingham squads, was suggesting that this is probably as good as it is going to get for him. I don't remember him saying anything like Fahey could be a key player in the coming years. I was delighted with Fahey's goal and have been hoping he'd get called up since the latter days of his St. Pats career. But it was interesting (an maybe a slight bit disappointing) to hear such comments from a coach who knows the player well. In essence I suppose it was Brady's tone and careful choice of words that surprised me. Anyone else agree or have any thoughts on it?
He did indeed suggest that Keith has maxed out his potential. He also commended him for overcoming the difficulties he had earlier in his career; not settling in England, returning home and earning a move back etc. I think he was also asked about Fahey's best position and and his response wasn't all that emphatic. All in all he spoke highly of him, some praise and admiration but not getting carried away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scooby Doo
I think his comments were sensible enough, Bill was acting like Fahey was some up and coming teenager but by 27 most outfield players are as good as they are going to get, granted there are a few examples of players who peak later than this but generally players aren't going to make any major improvements after his age. I think he has earned a starting spot against Andora in place of either Green or McGeady but I suspect Trap won't make any changes as dropping Green now wouldn't be good for his confidence.
i think brady was spot on about fahey. in the loi he was a playmaker midfield dynamo but at top league/top end international level he's more of a continuity player that keeps things ticking without being spectacular, a player like that really needs to be in the midfield tho over plebs like keith andrews and paul green who get in the team because they seem like defensive players :mad::mad::mad:
against andorra fahey would however play like the midfield dynamo he was in loi so should start in middle over a hack like paul green who more than likely will do nothing.
I'm sure Paul Green would have stood out too in the LOI though, and Andrews. Different styles of player though I accept.
Darron Gibson is the one I'd like to see play alongside Whelan on Tuesday.
Trap has already hinted that McGeady will start again. I don't think he'll drop Green either, that'd destroy his confidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morbo
Maybe, but I'm sure Green's a big boy. It can easily be explained to him that at home vs Andorra a more creative player is required so it's a change of approach rather than a vote of no-confidence. In reality I think Green will make way for Andrews in October anyway.
I reckon Trap will keep the same XI though.
Did anyone read Emmet Malone's latest piece, suggesting Trap's approach was responsible for Steven Reid's retirement? I'd have though persistent injury and a need to play club football were the resons. Reid was a key part of Trap's plans.
I think Trap realised that Reid was crocked but erred in releasing that opinion beyond his own thoughts. Long after though, Reid still maintained an intention/desire to return so it was hardly bridges burned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Has he played yet this season? I reckon a run of club games would be a triumph for Stephen at this point, never mind an international campaign.
I think he's been on the bench in every game so far.
from http://irish-abroad.appspot.com/Play...1&seasonID=140Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
started against Orient in the cup, came off the bench against Sunderland, unused sub against Chelsea and Liverpool
Trap would not be a manager if he thought like that. I think he was well pleased with Green's performance. Though you never know, reminds me a bit of the Goodfellows when Joe Pesci went out that morning to become a made man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sullivinho
Fahey will have earned 10/10, a player who comes on - follows instructions to a tee- saves the game - making his manager look good to the world, I'd say Fahy has earned himself a fixed place in the squad and Trap will have no fear about using him as a sub.
I'm sure he was pleased with the recovery but he can't have been any less concerned about the preceding struggle than the rest of us. His post-match comments praised him for as much. Something along the lines of 'the real Paul Green came through in the end'. Trap saw something in him to begin with so as such, I do think the guy's confidence will be a consideration for him come tuesday's team selection. He won't have written him off because of a bad start.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Can't agree with that appraisal of Green. If the other days game showed anything bad or in need of improvement in his game then it's in his defensive capabilities. He harries people, he wins ball and he runs at defences -often with more guile and purpose than say S Hunt. He almost put one of our lads through to score at the end of one such run the other day. He made three bad mistakes that I recall but hardly linching offences.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
I watched Green have an excellent 70 mins for Derby against Coventry recently and then inexplicably give the ball away just outside of his own box twice in quick succession. I think he gets over confident(concentration?) in his own ability sometimes. I thought he played very well in passages of the game on Friday. He has to cut out that under hit side foot short pass stuff. I expect him to play on Tuesday and I don't expect to see a repeat of the 3 glaring errors (one of which he made up for immediately with a great sliding block) again. Against Algeria he was very solid and I can't remember him giving the ball away the way he did on Friday night.
The underhit pass... I always felt a discipline Roy Keane had was to put too much weight on passes, if anything, on the basis that a) Over hit was better than under hit and b) if the recpipient failed to trap/control it then it's his fault!!!
http://www.examiner.ie/sport/soccer/...un-129967.html
That was a fair 'ol bash he gave it.Quote:
"And I think in the last season with Pat’s I just thought, ‘right, I’m going to have a good season’ because a couple of my close friends were telling me to look at something else, apart from football. So I said, ‘right, I’ll give it one more bash.’ And luckily enough, I got another shout."
Sorry only getting back to this now. Thanks for that. I wouldn't read anything negative into what Brady said, I heard lots of positive stuff when Keith moved back to Ireland. Brady tried as hard as he could to keep him at Arsenal, and tried again when he left Villa. There was no fall out, I'm nearly certain of that. He's right too about further potential - he's 27, the only way he'll do anything different is if our formation changes, even then he's probably goosed to a degree. Delighted for him, hopefully his place in the squad is cemented, he offers us something very different.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979