Yeah, they were. They're quick to get on a players back, McShane would be better off had he been allowed stay at Hull.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
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Yeah, they were. They're quick to get on a players back, McShane would be better off had he been allowed stay at Hull.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Kilbane got a very bad time off them. I don't know what I'd call an adult that would boo a guy for not being good enough but it's certainly alongside side the scum and gurriers.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Fans booing their own players is ridiculous, whether it be Sunderland fans booing McShane, Arsenal fans booing Eboue or England fans booing Ashley Cole just because he had the audacity to make a mistake and give away a penalty. Not sure what this achieves apart from making the lad more nervous and leading to more mistakes, shows a total lack of brain power by these fans in my opinion....Quote:
Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs
Can I just say this: as a UCD fan, if I booed players for being ****, I'd probably have to sit in the away section where people would look at me strangely for cheering Conor Kenna. Groaning at a mistake, a yell in frustration at a player; these I can understand. Booing someone for not being good enough? Get a life.
Sunderland fans seem to have a bad reputation as regards booing their own players. Kilbane, now McShane, and I remember Keane having a go at them earlier this season as well for the same. All the same, I don't think McShane is actively trying to sabotage the club, so why boo him?
Maybe the Sunderland fans are onto something... If Darren Gibson or Glenn Whelan dont play well against Georgia we should start booing them, Sunderland fans seem to think this makes young players improve
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Originally Posted by eirebhoy
I don't recall a MOTM performace. He passed the ball directly to their strikers on a couple of occasions - unbelievably poor - also caught out of position - I do seem to recall though Kiely covering for him & pretty much turning in a MOTM performance - I do think McShane created the opportunity for him though.
Agree with the above points - stupid to boo your own player, rarely works even against the opposition - unless you count the Czechs booing Hunt who duly obliged them!
Shameful behaviour by “so-called fans”. As pointed out before its not the first time they have done this. Anton Ferdinand didnt cover himself in glory in the same incident either. Anyway I hope Sunderland fans get what they deserve. RELEGATION.
Hang on a minute! He caused us a point on saturday and handed owen a goal (Not to forget the goal and pen that owen should have had) the game against Newcastle. And the less we say about the Everton game the better! If I caused **** up after **** up in my job I would get the head taken clean off me by my customers. I wouldn't expect people to be taken it easy on me saying at least he gives his best!!
And I dont imagine we're being paid as much as McShane either. It goes with the turf, play well and the crowd love you, play ****e and take the consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs
It amazes me how some fans think that by getting on young players backs they will improve them. McShane has done reasonably well at Hull and played in a team who have being doing a lot better than Sunderland. Isn't it ironic that he starts playing badly when he is in front of Sunderlands’ wonderful supporters. Obviously his confidence has being shattered playing in front of these “supporters”.
We had this debate after the match and I can't remember it now but I thought McShane was brilliant that night. Kiely was excellent first half, McShane was good in that half imo. McShane was superb in the 2nd half though and overall motm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
You should hear Celtic park after Lee Naylor's 5th or 6th mistake in a game. Groans from everywhere. That's frustration though. I myself would find that I'd get shout out or groan when McGeady makes a mistake for Ireland because I want him to succeed so much and I can't help but get frustrated when he messes up. I've no problem with that. It's not nice to hear but we can't really help it. We're talking about booing here though. BIG difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs
My recollection is that he had a good enough game, especially considering his error against Serbia. He put his head in where it hurts as he always does but Paddy is right in saying Kiely bailed him out at least once. I remember one one-on-one being directly attributable to a McShane error. That's the thing with CB, play a generally good game and make one mistake, people will think you had a good game if you get away with it (which Dunne has done a few times lately for us) or a stinker if it costs you. I feel that McShane is pretty unlucky at times - any time he gives a free away outside the box the other team seems to score from it - but I guess that's life at a high standard of football.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
I notice him a lot making despairing lunging tackles in the box. Now, you could say he's gallantly trying to block shots but in my opinion (because it's a trait I recognise from my own experience as a CB) it's beacuse, like me, he got a bit lost and was trying to recover. Gary Breen always seemed the same at West Ham.
McShane has all the physical attributes to make it at the top level but seems to lack positional awareness and general football intelligence. I think the Sunderland fans need to be more supportive if they want him to improve. I think he could do a job at centre back if given the support (fans and manager alike) and appropriate defensive coaching.
Ive said it before but I really think he needs to drop down a division for a couple of years while he learns to read the game properly out of the media glare of the Premiership where every small mistake gets highlighted . I do honestly believe that he can become a very good asset for us in the future.
I think once he starts dropping the divisions that's him completely finished. He's 23 now so I think going somewhere to learn to read the game is not an option. He reminds me of Titus Bramble in the sense that if it can go wrong it will go wrong for him. He'll only improve by playing at the highest level available to him. Defenders generally get better with age and like Bramble, if he's mentally strong enough the mistakes will become fewer and fewer in the coming yrs, if not then he'll be dropping the divisions anyway but won't be coming back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
As u said he is only 23, the likes of Steve Finnan and Kenny Cunningham were playing in the lower divisions at his age and had no problem getting to the top flight. There are plenty of players that have learned their trade in the lower divisions and then made it to the top flight later in their careersQuote:
Originally Posted by BarelyLegal
Yes but their careers were a continuous progression from the lower levels. I don't think that is the same thing as a player with 2 or 3 yrs Premier Lge experience being shipped of to the lower leagues for the sole purpose of improving his game. If he's not good enough to improve his game at the level he is at he's certainly not going to playing against weaker players week in week out, regardless of the scrutiny. He seemed to have a fairly successful spell at Hull anyway in fairness from what I saw, pity he couldn't have stayed there for another bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
He's slow, awkward, short and can't read the game. Why do we think he has potential? Wouldn't it be better to pin our hopes on one of the more exciting prospects in the championship that have yet to prove that they are utter rubbish?
At least Bramble showed flashes of brilliance when at Ipswich. McShane wasn't even any good in the games he got praise for, am I the only one that thought he was rubbish against the Czechs?