Russia v Republic of Ireland - Tuesday, 6th September 2011 - Euro 2012 Qualifier

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06/09/2011, 5:21 PM
Maroon 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metrostars

Actually no. If we win our final two games and the Slovakia-Russia game ends in a draw and they win their other games, we will all finish on 21 points with us in 3rd after the tie breakers.

That's what Bill just said as well although I have no idea how they work that out considering we may well have a better goal difference than Slovakia and we drew 1-1 over there compared to the 0-0 they got in Dublin but apparently a 3 way tie will see us lose out and finish 3rd.
06/09/2011, 5:22 PM
French Toasht

Think about it this way. After the first round of matches, all three teams were tied on points and Ireland came third in the tie-breaker. So if Russia and Slovakia draw then, there has been three draws since then, so effectively nothing has changed and we lose out again.
06/09/2011, 5:22 PM
tricky_colour

Quote:

Originally Posted by zero

do i understand correctly that if we win our next two games we will finish at worst second?

I think so.
If Slovakia draw with Russia we finish above Slovakia, so second at least.
If Slovakia beat Russia we finish above Russia, so again second at least.
If Russia beat Slovakia we finish above Slovakia again.

So second place is with our hands.

Edit - we can still finish 3rd as Metrostars explains above.
06/09/2011, 5:23 PM
zero

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metrostars

Actually no. If we win our final two games and the Slovakia-Russia game ends in a draw and they win their other games, we will all finish on 21 points with us in 3rd after the tie breakers.

I'm actually hoping Armenia can get something out of their game against Slovakia today as they are still in with a shout if they win their 3 remaining games.

ah yes. that's right. cheers.
06/09/2011, 5:25 PM
osarusan

I read somewhere there used to be a tradition in south and central American tribespeople to send their daughters to sleep with the tribe's bravest warriors, in order to ensure that the warriors' qualities be passed down to the next generation in as large a number as possible.

I say we introduce this in Ireland for Richard Dunne.
06/09/2011, 5:25 PM
Metrostars

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maroon 7

That's what Bill just said as well although I have no idea how they work that out considering we may well have a better goal difference than Slovakia and we drew 1-1 over there compared to the 0-0 they got in Dublin.

It is based on results between ALL 3 teams against each other. Current mini table:

Slovakia P3 W1 D2 L0=5 pts
Russia P3 W1 D1 L1 = 4 pts
Ireland P4 W0 D3 L1=3 pts
06/09/2011, 5:25 PM
AlaskaFox

lol:
http://images.memegenerator.net/inst...0x/9801424.jpg
06/09/2011, 5:26 PM
French Toasht

Quote:

Originally Posted by tricky_colour

I think so.
If Slovakia draw with Russia we finish above Slovakia, so second at least.
If Slovakia beat Russia we finish above Russia, so again second at least.
If Russia beat Slovakia we finish above Slovakia again.

So second place is with our hands.

Edit - we can still finish 3rd as Metrostars explains above.

We finish 3rd if Slovakia and Russia draw. See my above post for the rationale.
06/09/2011, 5:27 PM
AlaskaFox

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metrostars

It is based on results between ALL 3 teams against each other. Current mini table:

Slovakia P3 W1 D2 L0=5 pts
Russia P3 W1 D1 L1 = 4 pts
Ireland P4 W0 D3 L1=3 pts

Doesn't matter what it is currently, as it'll only come into effect with a draw between Slovakia and Russia. So it has to be:
http://greenscene.me/wp-content/uplo...-minigroup.png
06/09/2011, 5:29 PM
Stuttgart88

theres no way russia will play for a draw. they want to win that group.
06/09/2011, 5:29 PM
Eirambler

Russia will not conspire for a draw in those circumstances - it would confine them to the playoffs. So the game at least will be fair, but theres always a chance it will end in a draw. I'd be surprised if Slovakia don't drop points somewhere else though, probably in Macedonia.
06/09/2011, 5:30 PM
DannyInvincible

Quote:

Originally Posted by backtowalsall

Given - 9
Kelly - 8
Dunne - 10
O'Dea - 8
Ward - 5
Duff - 6
Andrews - 6
Whelan - 5.5
McGeady - 6.5
Keane - 6
Doyle 5.5

Hunt - 7
Cox - 7

Too low a rating for Dunne, that.
06/09/2011, 5:30 PM
Metrostars

Also for everyone with their calculators out, Armenia can still finish second if they win their final 3 games. So I'm sure they know this as they face Slovakia tonight.
06/09/2011, 5:31 PM
Littlest Hobo

not sure if you are right mate...

say slovakia and russia is a draw and all other games go as predicted, then we all end up with 21. To say that we are in 3rd spot is one for the rulebook to determine..
going on head to head records;

we beat slovakia
slovakia beat russia
russia beat us.

basically we cancel each other out. meaning it should come down to goal difference. We could even finish on top if we come out of last two games with say +5 goals.

anyway I hope Armenia grab a point from slovakia and we won't have to worry about any of this.
06/09/2011, 5:34 PM
Metrostars

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Originally Posted by Littlest Hobo

not sure if you are right mate...

say slovakia and russia is a draw and all other games go as predicted, then we all end up with 21. To say that we are in 3rd spot is one for the rulebook to determine..
going on head to head records;

we beat slovakia
slovakia beat russia
russia beat us.

basically we cancel each other out. meaning it should come down to goal difference. We could even finish on top if we come out of last two games with say +5 goals.

anyway I hope Armenia grab a point from slovakia and we won't have to worry about any of this.

When did we beat Slovakia?
06/09/2011, 5:35 PM
liamoo11

[QUOTE=Littlest Hobo;1529945]not sure if you are right mate...

say slovakia and russia is a draw and all other games go as predicted, then we all end up with 21. To say that we are in 3rd spot is one for the rulebook to determine..
going on head to head records;

we beat slovakia
slovakia beat russia
russia beat us.

Unforunately we didnt beat slovakia
06/09/2011, 5:35 PM
shakermaker1982

You guys needed to be on foot.ie over the weekend. This was all discussed and chewed over.
If Slovakia-Russia is a draw and they both win their remaining other games we finish 3rd.
06/09/2011, 5:36 PM
DannyInvincible

Quote:

Originally Posted by Littlest Hobo

not sure if you are right mate...

say slovakia and russia is a draw and all other games go as predicted, then we all end up with 21. To say that we are in 3rd spot is one for the rulebook to determine..
going on head to head records;

we beat slovakia
slovakia beat russia
russia beat us.

basically we cancel each other out. meaning it should come down to goal difference. We could even finish on top if we come out of last two games with say +5 goals.

anyway I hope Armenia grab a point from slovakia and we won't have to worry about any of this.

Have a read of article 7.04: http://www.uefa.com/multimediafiles/...7_download.pdf
06/09/2011, 5:36 PM
TerryPhelan

So let me get this straight:

If we beat Armenia and Andorra, Slovakia lose to Armenia (again) and beat Russia (again), we will top the group.

If we beat Armenia and Andorra, Slovakia beat Armenia and draw with Russia, we will lose out?

I thought we were ahead of Slovakia on head-to-heads?

Sorry if this is a question with a glaringly obvious answer but my nerves are absolutely shot to smithereens after enduring that 90 minutes.
06/09/2011, 5:36 PM
Real ale Madrid

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metrostars

When did we beat Slovakia?

In 2007.

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