Liverpool

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Originally Posted by reder

The season ends in May not October. Liverpool can still win the league.

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I hope this doesn't come back to haunt me but Liverpool won't win the league this season. They aren't good enough. 1 world class player, a dodgy defence and no strength in depth doesn't win you titles. Liverpool are a good cup side and might go far in Europe but they had their chance to win the PL last year with a Man Utd in 3rd gear for most of the season but blew it.

Man Utd might not be sparkling at this moment in time but they've had an excellent start (I cannot remember the last time they started this well) and will keep on grinding out results. The squad know how to win titles and Fergie can rest his players when it suits him because he can rely on the squad players that come in. Arsenal will be United's main threat IMO this year for the title with Chelsea and Man City not far behind.

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Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

I hope this doesn't come back to haunt me but Liverpool won't win the league this season. They aren't good enough. 1 world class player, a dodgy defence and no strength in depth doesn't win you titles. Liverpool are a good cup side and might go far in Europe but they had their chance to win the PL last year with a Man Utd in 3rd gear for most of the season but blew it.

Man Utd might not be sparkling at this moment in time but they've had an excellent start (I cannot remember the last time they started this well) and will keep on grinding out results. The squad know how to win titles and Fergie can rest his players when it suits him because of he can rely on the squad players that come in. Arsenal will be United's main threat IMO this year for the title with Chelsea and Man City not far behind.

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Good shout on Arsenal there. Can't understand how they aren't getting a mention. Next few weeks will be interesting Utd at Anfield on Sunday and then at the Bridge on November 9th.

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Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

they had their chance to win the PL last year with a Man Utd in 3rd gear for most of the season but blew it

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Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

Fergie can rest his players when it suits him because of he can rely on the squad players that come in

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These are key points for me. Most of Liverpool's optimism stems from how well they did last season. For me they were the best performing team in the league last season but United grinded out what they needed, when they needed it. People say United's midfield is weak, and to a certain extent I agree, but what they do have is strength in numbers. It balanced in the sense that when one player is out, he's replaced by somebody of similar ability. When Liverpool have a key player out, somebody of relatively no ability comes in. I think United will be found out for their lack of world class quality in midfield in key Champions League games and possibly the really difficult PL matches as well ie. Anfield, The Bridge, The Emirates, etc. but they'll have more than enough to win the run of the mill PL games and therefore mount a serious title challenge. A fully fit Hargreaves could make them a different animal also.

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Originally Posted by Rafa B

Who in your opinion should they bring in that's better and available? By the way think your off your rocker but that's your opinion.

Poor Shanks would have been gone inside two seasons if he'd lived in the internet age!

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How long has he had to try win a League title ? How much has he spent in trying to do so ?

He has been given every opportunity to bring League title success to Liverpool but time and time again he fails. Even though it is only 9 games in Liverpools title challenge is already nearly over. He foolishly spent 17 odd million (or what ever it was) on a right back when he only has one striker and when he knew deep down he would lose his best midfielder.

With the way the League has started Liverpool should have been seeing this as a massive opportunity to steal a march on their rivals yet they have gone backwards unders Rafa's leadership. I know if i was a Liverpool fan (shudder) i would not want him in charge of my team anymore but then again if your happy being an also ran side yet again then who am i to question you or any other Liverpool fan.

The big big difference with the likes of a side like Liverpool to United or Chelsea is when United or Chelsea play poorly they still normaly tend to grind out results, Liverpool do not. This mentality comes from the manager.

There are plenty of managers out there who i think could do a far superiour job than what Rafa is doing. van Gaal is with Munich but i'm sure the right offer would tempt him. Even Eriksson would bring a better dtermination and steel to Liverpool than what Rafa can offer.

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Originally Posted by Roo69

How long has he had to try win a League title ? How much has he spent in trying to do so ?

He has been given every opportunity to bring League title success to Liverpool but time and time again he fails. Even though it is only 9 games in Liverpools title challenge is already nearly over. He foolishly spent 17 odd million (or what ever it was) on a right back when he only has one striker and when he knew deep down he would lose his best midfielder.

With the way the League has started Liverpool should have been seeing this as a massive opportunity to steal a march on their rivals yet they have gone backwards unders Rafa's leadership. I know if i was a Liverpool fan (shudder) i would not want him in charge of my team anymore but then again if your happy being an also ran side yet again then who am i to question you or any other Liverpool fan.

The big big difference with the likes of a side like Liverpool to United or Chelsea is when United or Chelsea play poorly they still normaly tend to grind out results, Liverpool do not. This mentality comes from the manager.

There are plenty of managers out there who i think could do a far superiour job than what Rafa is doing. van Gaal is with Munich but i'm sure the right offer would tempt him. Even Eriksson would bring a better dtermination and steel to Liverpool than what Rafa can offer.

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I asked you who's available?

Also considering you posted this about your own club i am glad you don't support Liverpool or any club i'd support. I shudder when i read it. "Die Hard"

http://foot.ie/forums/showthread.php?t=125448

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Originally Posted by Rafa B

I asked you who's available?

Also considering you posted this about your own club i am glad you don't support Liverpool or any club i'd support. I shudder when i read it. "Die Hard"

http://foot.ie/forums/showthread.php?t=125448

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You do know that a manager does not have to be out of work to be available don't you ? it normally works the same way with players.

And seriously, grow up ! i've given you a good senisible reply and you come back with tripe like that. Bray are bottom and have been bottom for a long time, we still have a chance but i think we will go down. Wouldn't expect anymore from you really.

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Originally Posted by Roo69

You do know that a manager does not have to be out of work to be available don't you ? it normally works the same way with players.

And seriously, grow up ! i've given you a good senisible reply and you come back with tripe like that. Bray are bottom and have been bottom for a long time, we still have a chance but i think we will go down. Wouldn't expect anymore from you really.

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Still haven't come back to me with a manager that's available. I never asked you or posted about facts and figures.

Your post about Bray was disgraceful but then again whatever way you want to supporter your team your choice. Grow up yourself!

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Originally Posted by Rafa B

Still haven't come back to me with a manager that's available

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Wow...I gettin some serious deja-vu here!!

I'd say Liverpool would get Mourinho if they wanted him. Don't think he can do much more at Inter really. You don't have to be positive with everything regarding your own club Rafa, a bit of realism never killed anybody.

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

Wow...I gettin some serious deja-vu here!!

I'd say Liverpool would get Mourinho if they wanted him. Don't think he can do much more at Inter really. You don't have to be positive with everything regarding your own club Rafa, a bit of realism never killed anybody.

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I am not positive about everything and surely you know that! If you say a manager should be sacked surely you have to have someone in your mind that's available and better to come in with immediate effect. Come on surely you agree? Your posts are always sensible.

Going back to being positive i do like to stay positive it's just the way i was always educated with regard supporting your club. The manager knows best so leave him to get on with it.

Trust me on Mourinho he would not be welcomed at Liverpool.

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

Wow...I gettin some serious deja-vu here!!

I'd say Liverpool would get Mourinho if they wanted him. Don't think he can do much more at Inter really. You don't have to be positive with everything regarding your own club Rafa, a bit of realism never killed anybody.

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Well he was brought to Inter with the primary target of winning the Champions League so he'll have to acheive that first

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Originally Posted by Rafa B

Still haven't come back to me with a manager that's available. I never asked you or posted about facts and figures.

Your post about Bray was disgraceful but then again whatever way you want to supporter your team your choice. Grow up yourself!

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:D :D :D Priceless ! and you are how old ?

If you actually bothered reading my post instead of trying to be smart you will notyice that i mentioned 2 manaers names that i thought would do a better job than the Fat Spanish Waiter

"van Gaal is with Munich but i'm sure the right offer would tempt him. Even Eriksson would bring a better dtermination " and as someone else mentioned, Jose M from Inter. Jesus even Moyes would be better at this stage although i'm sure he'd turn it down if offered.

Disgraceful ? explain...

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Originally Posted by Rafa B

Going back to being positive i do like to stay positive it's just the way i was always educated with regard supporting your club. The manager knows best so leave him to get on with it.

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Do you actually believe that ? seriously ?

If managers always knew best then they blow chance after chance of winning games, winning titles and cups. Managers do NOT always know best and that's why fans have their say, it's a part of the game and anyone who just goes along saying everything is fine and is happy to loose, blow title winning ambitions or even get relegated does not want whats best for their club.

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Originally Posted by roo69

:d :d :d priceless ! And you are how old ?

If you actually bothered reading my post instead of trying to be smart you will notyice that i mentioned 2 manaers names that i thought would do a better job than the fat spanish waiter"van gaal is with munich but i'm sure the right offer would tempt him. Even eriksson would bring a better dtermination " and as someone else mentioned, jose m from inter. Jesus even moyes would be better at this stage although i'm sure he'd turn it down if offered.

Disgraceful ? Explain...

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Pot, Kettle & Black!!!!

Disgraceful - have a read for yourself your a big boy now.

Becoming boring now being honest lets leave it alone.

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Originally Posted by Roo69

Do you actually believe that ? seriously ?

If managers always knew best then they blow chance after chance of winning games, winning titles and cups. Managers do NOT always know best and that's why fans have their say, it's a part of the game and anyone who just goes along saying everything is fine and is happy to loose, blow title winning ambitions or even get relegated does not want whats best for their club.

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Ahh here STALKER ALERT! Backing my backside up against the wall now:D

Rafa has obviously taken Liverpool as far as he can. He is no longer the best man for the job, anyone who cannot see that is clearly blinkered.

There are numerous options out there for replacements i.e. O'Niell, Mourihno. The right offer could tempt any of them. The team that lined out against Sunderland on Sat was a joke considering that money that has been made available to him.

The central midfield pairing of Spearing & Lucas would not make another team in the premiership. Spearing is a young player so he will get more chances and rightly so, Lucas is a muppet and any manager that continues to play him needs their head read.

Liverpool have gone down hill fast this season, they have proved beyond doubt they are a two man team and they are as far away as ever from winning a Premier league title.

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Originally Posted by Norm

Rafa has obviously taken Liverpool as far as he can. He is no longer the best man for the job, anyone who cannot see that is clearly blinkered.

There are numerous options out there for replacements i.e. O'Niell, Mourihno. The right offer could tempt any of them. The team that lined out against Sunderland on Sat was a joke considering that money that has been made available to him.

The central midfield pairing of Spearing & Lucas would not make another team in the premiership. Spearing is a young player so he will get more chances and rightly so, Lucas is a muppet and any manager that continues to play him needs their head read.

Liverpool have gone down hill fast this season, they have proved beyond doubt they are a two man team and they are as far away as ever from winning a Premier league title.

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O'Niell,:confused:

He sold Alonso, the player who has kept them together for the last couple of years, replaced him with an expensive, unproven, injury prone Italian
He Still hasn't got cover for Torres having hounded Keane out in January they are left with Boromr from LOTR as the only option when Torres is injured;
They are spectacularly weak at centre half, Carragher for so long over-rated is having a shocker of a seaon and somehow in the midst of all of this he found 18m to spend on Glenn Johnson

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Originally Posted by endabob1

He sold Alonso, the player who has kept them together for the last couple of years, replaced him with an expensive, unproven, injury prone Italian
He Still hasn't got cover for Torres having hounded Keane out in January they are left with Boromr from LOTR as the only option when Torres is injured;
They are spectacularly weak at centre half, Carragher for so long over-rated is having a shocker of a seaon and somehow in the midst of all of this he found 18m to spend on Glenn Johnson

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He sold Alonso - WANTED TO LEAVE.

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Originally Posted by Rafa B

He sold Alonso - WANTED TO LEAVE.

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He wanted to leave because the FSW tried to hunt him out the previous Summer to pay to replace him with Gareth Barry :eek:

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Originally Posted by endabob1

He wanted to leave because the FSW tried to hunt him out the previous Summer to pay to replace him with Gareth Barry :eek:

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Exactly he wanted to leave;) That's all i said. No point keeping a player who doesn't want to be there.