Stokes and McShane werer in Club 92 in leopardstown, Dublin on Sunday Night, both were completly mangled.
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Stokes and McShane werer in Club 92 in leopardstown, Dublin on Sunday Night, both were completly mangled.
whats that got to do with anything? Neither are playing for their country.Quote:
Stokes and McShane werer in Club 92 in leopardstown, Dublin on Sunday Night, both were completly mangled.
Though its nice to get some gossip :D
Maybe we should set up a player watch thread ;)
oh well if he's played hurling..? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
i just wonder if any of this is first hand information or people jumping on the band-wagon, that's all. Personally I don't know either, I just feel some of the personal things said about a lad that's 18? 19? are a bit harsh. sure enough if he plays sh1te, comment on the performance, but going so far as there is almost a hate-club out for the boy is absolutely ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by kingeric
i know what he means, its a country thing ;) :p :D
sounds to me like the traitor was acting like a .... well a traitor by trying to screw his country again
that fat ***** reid took notice... you joking???Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
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Originally Posted by Macy
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Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
Nice theory but it doesn't explain why Sunderland fans would give him stick:confused:
have to agree with you ,don givens is not the man for this job ,having just come back from game have to say that they were lucky not to get wiped ,time to get someone who people want to play for ,see you in aarhausQuote:
Originally Posted by finnpark
Givens is a terrible fool, it must be hard to play under such a bad manager
How the hell is he still in charge after all this time
I dont care about the Under 21's
Apparently Stoked took part in full training today with Sunderland.... Looks like we've another Thornton in our midst!!
Regardless of what you think of Givens, Stokes was out of order.
it's obvious Stokes wasn't injured. we all know Keane's views on international friendly matches though.
If Stokes and McShane were told the club would sort it, they expected the club to sort it.
Did McShane personally ring Givens? I Doubt it.
He does seem to have an extreme attitude problem and his performances have been poor at best so far in the Premiership. Within 10 minutes of his premiership debut against Spurs Andy Gray was questioning him, saying he seemed a bit lazy and was not helping out Murphy at all, I get the feeling looking at him hat he thinks he has made the big time now and he is there to stay. A few hat tricks for a third rate Scottish team does not mean you have made it Stoksey. I really hope in a few years we wont be using the phrase 'What if..' when discussing him
He has also been interviewed on newstalk a few times and he seems like a decent mature guy to be honest. Here's an interview with him from a couple of months ago:Quote:
Originally Posted by DeNiro
http://www.rte.ie/tv/obsport/20070528.html
another thing...what in goda good name was a player the quality of McShane being called in for a poxy u21 match given his talent and performances this season...hes a senior player now, end of...
Mc Shane was not called up for the U21 I think you have read that wrong.
apologies.....was thinkin that!! twas why i was so suprised!
http://www.examiner.ie/irishexaminer...554-qqqx=1.asp
When asked about the controversy yesterday, Anthony Stokes’ father – who advises a number of young players in England – insisted that his son had been forced to pull out with a groin injury.
Said John Stokes: “It was niggling him going into the game (against Wigan) and at half-time both Anthony and the manager (Roy Keane) agreed that he wouldn’t continue. That also ruled him out of the U-21 game.”
Pointedly, he added: “There’s a bit of history between Don Givens and Anthony. He has brought him in for the last couple of games and then hasn’t played him. He doesn’t seem to rate him at all. I’m not looking to have a swipe at Don Givens – he’s entitled to his opinion. But I think he’s being a bit harsh on Anthony.”
And Mr Stokes insisted that there was no question about his son’s commitment to playing for his country.
“I guarantee you that if Anthony was fit, he’d be in Germany now,” he said. “He has proven he always wants to play for Ireland. When he was called into the senior squad for the games in the US (in May), people advised him just to go there but he wanted to be involved with the U-19s as well (for their European Championship qualifiers) and so he played two games with them before travelling to the States.”
He added: “Now I’m reading in all the papers that Anthony has gone AWOL. That’s nonsense.”
*taken from Sunderland FC message board
I hate when parents get involved, it tells you then that the stuff is affecting the family, i dont think that should be happening then.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingeric
He is his advisor (and agent?) as well as his dad.Quote:
Originally Posted by bellavistaman
I wonder is that where the problem lies....? Mixing family & business...Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Hey, works for Lewis Hamilton. :o;)Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
In fairness Stokes has always been enthusiastic about playing for Ireland at youth and senior level.Givens should really deal with these things in private.
Oh right thats different so. But in general i think its lousy when stories in papers are so ad they start to affect the family. Dont like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Agree with thatQuote:
Originally Posted by cheifo
The difference between Stokes & Murphy is Murph will give a 100%, Stokes won't. That's why people aren't getting on Murphy's back.
What is the general view on Murphy up there SunderlandBohs? I really like the look of him and think he has a good future.Quote:
Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs
Don't know where to stand on the Stokes issue. I'm inclined to think that all three parties (Keane, Givens and Stokes) are all somewhat responsible.
agreed. Stoke's father suggests that Given's doesn't like him. Given's has also fallen out with a couple of other lads.Quote:
Originally Posted by bellavistaman
Suggestion in the times that maybe Stokes was just caught in the middle of a war of words between Keane and the FAI
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...e-1063434.html
From years of observing father and son.... IMO Anthony is a chip off the old block and therein is the answer to his 'attitude' problem.... anyone remember Stokes snrs comments about how wenger was playing the boy out of position etc.... IMO Wenger getting £2m for him was one of the smartest deals everQuote:
Originally Posted by kingeric
Murphy is well liked up there. Very popular with the fans. One of the unsung heroes last season & got his fair share of goals, some important ones at that mind! A lot of people think he can be a good player for years to come at the club. I don't know if he can make the grand to the prem but I hope he does. He deserves it. A player with the right atitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bungle
I've got the impresson so far this season that Stokes looks like he's very much in the comfort zone, he's worth 2 million, he's in the Premier League, club with great support, I'm sure he's on bloody good money, working for a manager most Irish players see as some kind of deity. Little bit too comfortable for football at this level.
The solution? Drop the boy, stick him in the reserves and tell him that until he starts scoring goals and working for the team thats it for his Premier League season. Realistically, he should be scoring at least 2 goals every 3 games in the reserve league if he is 'that' good. If that doesn't work, send him out on loan to a Championship or League 1 (or LOI, now THAT would be funny!) club. If 6 months of that doesn't improve him - lights out, Mr Stokes exit stage right.
I think I proper kick up the arse is what he needs, just because his manager needs to see how he responds, and then we'll know if all the hype (because we were all bloody excited when those back-to-back hat-tricks were flying in!) will ever be fulfilled.
Oh, and as regards this injury issue, if Roy is having that kind of an influence on Irish players at Sunderland (i.e. a large contingent regularly missing friendlies) somebody will notice and have a word, its not like Man Utd or Chelsea or one of the other massive clubs that own modern-day football, Sunderland can't rely on their cash and high contacts to get them out of jail.
Givens is a muppet. I'd love to see a new U-21 coach - but who?
Plenty of good candidates out there. No worse than Sean McCaffrey. Why not Brian Kerr?
I'd vote for Kerr. Out of his depth at senior level but well proven at under-age and will obviously know Stan, might aid transition fron one team to another (I don't like seeing players yo-yoing between senior side and youth teams, does nothing for players or teams momentum, case in point Stokes and O'Dea).
Stokes Senior was so correct on that one. What position does Stokes play for Sunderland now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Calcio Jack
My point was about attitude.... IMO all Stokes Snr did was 'moan' about how Wenger was playing his son out of position, instead of keeping quiet on the basis that Wenger is a top class manager and knows a bit more about the game than he does.That same 'attitude' seems to have unsurprisingly rubbed off on Anthony...having an inflated attitude only hastened Wengers decision to get rid of Anthony and he got £2m for him which was excellent businness.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Stokes has lots of talent, the big question is does he have the right attitude/work ethic.... I wonder was he looking on last night and maybe he reflected on the fact that Shane Long one of his peers has jumped ahead of him in the race to be our 3rd striker.... I hope he gets the guidance from somewhere to make sure he realises his undoubted talent...
well if you look at the facts, Stokes was the second highest goal scorer at all ages in his first year in Arsenal, second to thierry henry that is. He played as a forward and scored 17 goals in 19 matches.
In his second season he began to play on the wings and didn't do well.
At Falkirk he was played as an out and out striker with Alan Gow a creative striker behind him and Russel Latipy in midfield, so it really suited him- which is why i think he done so well. What was it 14 goals in 18 games or something to that effect?
So maybe Stokes senior had a point?
I still think he can make it, but only as a striker. I don't see how he fits into the Sunderland team though, he needs better service than Murphy or any of the Midfield can provide.
Indeed he may have a point.... it's the 'attitude' in the manner he makes statements that I'd have a problem with... IMO he's bred into his son an unhealthy attitude from an early age and anyone who has observred both of them up close would know what I mean... very talented kid no doubt about that... but IMO he suffers from a huge amount of arrogance...it's one thing to have strong self belief, it's a different matter if you allow that to turn into arrogance... as I say hopefully somelike Keane will be able to mentor and shape him into a top class player who knows how to 'carry' himself properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingeric
well looks like the matters resolved now anyway..
Keane: 'Stokes row resolved'
Anthony Stokes
Roy Keane says that the argument mid-week between Ireland U-21 boss and Sunderland Football Club has been resolved.
Don Givens was left fuming when Sunderland striker Anthony Stokes failed to show for the U-21 game against Germany on Wednesday.
He rang the 19-year-old striker who told him he thought Roy Keane had sorted the situation out and that he was unavailable because of a groin strain.
Givens was angry because he had no idea the player would not be linking up and the realisation of Stokes' absence came too late for him to call in a replacement.
But today Keane said the situation had been resolved.
He said: "I've spoken to Don Givens and cleared the situation up.
"Anthony had a bit of groin strain and there was a bit of confusion.
"Anthony was expecting us to get in touch with the U-21s to explain the situation.
"We were expecting Anthony to let them know anyway.
"We like to do these things right – for example Paul McShane suffered a head injury against Wigan which meant he could not go away with the senior Irish team and we were quick to let them know, as well as sending them the doctor's report.
"It was unfortunate what happened with Anthony but we've spoken to Don Givens now and the situation has been resolved.
"It won't happen again because, as I say, we like to do things the right way at this club."
...Would love to have heard Roy's call to Don Givens ;)
I didnt want to bring this up, but years ago when he was over in North London, he would be in certain pubs going on and on about the same thing, and it was basically giving out and bitching, saying if he doesnt get first team football im going to get him out of here etc etc, that was at 17!!!!:8Quote:
Remind us again which giants of world football this man has managed? Some Dub bar-stooler with a chip . . .
Funnily enough it was in one of the pubs Niall quinn would always frequent after a match many moons ago!
so did stokes family. But there is one glaring difference. I hope I dont need to point it out :pQuote:
I must be psychic! Seriously though, compare this guy to the likes of Shane Long. Long's Ma has moved to Reading to help him settle and you never hear boo from any of his family. I was so pleased for that young lad last night. The lads at Reading FC think the world of him. Amazing how much of a difference the right attitude can make.
Remember the column he used to do in the star, he had mentioned the word I a record 27 times in one column, good going or what.:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
All seems a bit fishy to me. What are the odds Stokes will be in Sunderland's squad at the weekend (if he hasn't been dropped)...Quote:
Originally Posted by kingeric
Also he hasn't been included in the next U-21 squad.