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Roy Keane has been linked strongly with Melbourne Victory, who play in the A League over here. The standard is pretty average, (that well known thug Kevin Muscat plays for them, but is retiring). I don't know how well he will cope with mediocre players, but the media will love his grumpy persona and will certainly rise him with the inane questions that Aussie journalists love to ask. In summary, if this happens it will end in tears!
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/so...-1226035062847
If it happens it will end with him managing the Socceroos and drinking lots of Fosters.
I can just see him throwing a boomerang, forgetting about it, then getting decapitated.
I can't see him going to the A-League. Are all of the players there even full time professionals?
The A-League is professional and I think some of the regional leagues. Keane could get a job in the top two tiers of English football tomorrow if he snapped his fingers and he'd never drag his family to the other side of the world. It's a non-runner.
The A League is professional with about 10 teams in it. In terms of standard, Jason Gavin and Liam Kearney have failed to make the step up from regional leagues to the A League itself. While the story may be untrue, it is certainly big news over here. As regards Keane, I completely disagree with the statement that Keane just has to click his fingers to get a job in the Championship. Keane's transfer policy and subsequent failure to get the best out of his buys as well as lack of relationship with players and the boards of clubs has become too apparent for many to consider him as a manager.
he's not a total write off as a manager, he is just not as good as he thought he would be.
He could possibly be the next Bryan Robson or Graham Souness. To use the John Daly golf analogy, he could have more clubs than most and have nothing to show for it!
John Daly's pants are far better than Roy's will ever be though Gastric.
Has Keane publicly stated how good he thought he'd be as a manager?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
I think he'll come good personally, though lots of room for improvement thats for sure!
John Daly has a few majors to his name lad!Quote:
Originally Posted by gastric
And Keano will manage Celtic some day, nothing surer!
What have Celtic done to deserve that? .............Australia its not far enough!!
Just to be pedantic, the comparison of Daly with Keane is just and correct. Daly won his two majors in 1991 and 1995- at the start of his career. Keane 's managerial campaign also started with some success - promotion and keeping Sunderland in the Premiership. Daly has not done much since, either has Keane - hence the wonderful comparison!Quote:
Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
nope. But you just know he thought he was as good as Fergie. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
Away in Australia he'll have a bit of peace, though you can be sure there will be a rush of Victory jerseys on sale in Ireland, RTE and other outlets starting with "Roy Keane's Melbourne Victory...." and unless he a) hits the bottle or b) hits someone with a bottle, he should do well enough to rehabilitate his name, reputation and enthusiasm for the game. He'll come back and take over from Trappatoni.
http://www.joe.ie/football/internati...rish-0012089-1
Roy Keane has launched a scathing rant at the increasing number of ‘plastic paddies’ on the Irish international soccer team.
English-born players with Irish roots such as Simon Cox and Paul Green have recently declared for the Republic, while the prospect of the likes of Jermaine Pennant, Jamie O’Hara and Mark Noble pulling on the green jersey has also been mooted in recent months.
It is something that has upset many a dyed in the wool follower of the Boys in Green, and although it would be a stretch to put Roy Keane in that category, the former Ireland captain has spoken of his dismay at a development that he feels will dilute the sense of national pride that comes with playing for one’s country.
Speaking to Cork’s Life 93.1 FM, rent-a-quote Keane said: “Eventually it’s going to be spot the Irishman on the pitch. I know we have to be open minded over which players are eligible to play for Ireland, but now it’s getting a bit silly. Every Tom, Dick and Harry seems to be claiming to be Irish.”
Keane is more qualified than most to talk about what is becoming a delicate situation considering that he played with a number of British-born players, such as Andy Townsend, Ray Houghton and (cough) Tony Cascarino during his international career, but he feels that in his time, players really wanted to play for Ireland, whereas now it is considered a good career move.
“I know years ago we got stick – people saying it was the England B team,” Keane added. "But I think there were a lot of lads playing for Ireland or who are in the squad who to me are English through and through. They are saying – I probably can’t get capped for another country so I’ll pick Ireland. Players have said that. I know they have. And that’s not the right way to go about things either.”
Since retiring as a player, Keane has become something of a cranky and disillusioned figure and his rants about the game and particularly the Irish team have become commonplace. Not surprisingly, he didn’t resist the opportunity to stick the boot into the current squad and returned to a favourite theme of his, the lack of impact by the senior players in the Ireland squad, who according to Keane, are talking the talk but not walking the walk.
“I just think more can come from certain players. So-called senior players – you guarantee a week before international matches they are doing a lot of talking, but not too much working. The mentality with certain players is not good enough. And that is why they are playing for the clubs they are. I said that, I think, pre-World Cup 2002 and I’m saying that now. The so-called big hitters in the Irish team to me now aren’t big hitters. They are not even in their club teams. But they obviously have probably certain pals in the media and they deflect that a little bit.”
Agree with him to a certain degree. I don't think anybody minds a few decent players claiming for Ireland if we are stuck but a lot seem to be doing it now to either make a name for themselves or becuase they can't make England. A lot of very average to poor players getting chances to play international football with us these days.
This comment on Greenscene made me laugh:
"Elsewhere in the interview Keane also expressed controversial views on the US raid on Bin Laden’s compound, Irelands possible IMF bailout rate adjustment and several other issues that were none of his ****ing business."
Well Roy part of the problem is people born in Ireland who refuse to play for their country because they put their own selfish interests first!!
I'd rather a plastic paddy than a proper shirker!!
Roy having a pot at Shay and Robbie.
Any link for that interview?
Cork's Life 93.1fm??? I smell a rat, never heard of that station! That's around the Radio na Gaeltachta mark isnt it, wudnt have thought Roy to be the Gaelgoir sort but wonders never cease to amaze me. Or perhaps I've been away from my beloved home county too long. . . .
This one is close enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
seeing as The Fly ain't around
Have to say I agree with Keane 100%. You only have to look at threads on this forum to see how embarrassing we have become.
Yes, and ar their "friends in the media", though if some media quarters are anything to go by, I'd hate to see Robbie's enemies. Still, at least their so-called media friends aren't alleged paedophiles like Keano's best mate in the press.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Don't agree with Roy Keane at all. I'd doubt the FAI do either.
I prefer to look at the actual team, or squad, rather than threads. I reckon we have no more "anglos" now than we ever have. If you want to call the likes of Gibson & McGeady "career progressors" then we'll have to disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoops1
In my opinion our strongest XI is:
Given
Foley-Dunne-O'Shea-AN Other
McGeady-Whelan-Fahey or Gibson-Duff
Keane--Doyle
9 out of 10 born in Ireland. I haven't bothered with a left back, but anyone questioning KK's Irishness is a tool.
On the bench: Hunt, Long, Best (Irish mother & spent childhood in Ireland), Clark (both parents Irish), Stokes, O'Dea, McCarthy, Walters (Irish mother?), Kelly. I don't think any of these is "embarrassing", nor is Paul Green really. It's more embarrasing when the press & posters here get in a hissy fit when grandkids of Irishmen don't get called up.
Keane could maybe have some justification wrt Westwood, Lawrence, St. Leger, Folan and Cox - only one of whom is a likely starter in anyone's first XI and two of whom wouldn't even make the squad if others are fit.
The likes of O'Hara, Noble and Pennant would be embarrassing alright. How many of these have even declared? None.
I think Keane is making a big deal out of something that is no more of a "problem" than it was when Jack Charlton was in charge or when Keane himself was playing for Ireland under McCarthy and Kerr. We've always had English or Scottish-born players in our squads and it's never diluted the sense of national pride fans have had in the team.
There is certainly no new "development" here, nor is there any indication whatsoever that it'll come to a point where we have to play "spot-the-Irishman". Out of our current 32-man squad for the Carling Nations Cup games, 23 are Irish-born, 4 are born to at least one Irish parent (making them Irish nationals from birth) and 5 are born to at least one Irish grandparent, including James McCarthy whose family very much consider themselves Irish. Compare this to our squad for the 1994 World Cup, for example, where 7 of the 22-man squad were born in Ireland. 6 of our World Cup 1990 squad were Irish-born. Our 2002 World Cup squad had 12 Irish-born players out of the 23. For anyone worried about a dilution of identity or something, things have never been so good. It's not even a uniquely Irish phenomenon where our squads regularly feature players born beyond our shores. In fact, it could be argued that our squads featuring significant numbers of members of the Irish diaspora is very much in line with what Irish identity is; emigration having had such an impact on our history as a nation.
Who's Keane referring to when he says: "They are saying – I probably can’t get capped for another country so I’ll pick Ireland. Players have said that. I know they have."
Jermaine Pennant, who isn't even in our squad?
I don't think a lot of people appreciate how strong the diaspora still identify with Ireland, especially in Scotland. Many see themselves as Irish first, Scottish second, even in the third generation.
According to google 93.1fm is a Christian chanell. Is Roy born again?g
Found link for it
http://sport931.podbean.com/2011/05/...eric-goulding/
As has been highlighted, you'd be a fool to question the Irishness of the likes of McCarthy, McGeady, Clark and Kilbane.Quote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
It's been said before and I'll say it again. Whatever we thought of RMK as a player, those were his best days, and what he says now has no more credence than the average person in Patrick Street.
If he ever becomes a serious manager, then we might take him seriously....
Just listening to the interview at the minute. The part relevant to the discussion above begins around the half-an-hour mark and then again around 38 minutes. It continues for the full hour, but haven't gotten that far yet.
Well it's early for you Danny, but should you feel the urge to do so, I'm sure it'll prove the ideal cure for any insomnia issues....
So does Keane think that any of his children born in England should not be eligible to play for Ireland? Did anyone ask him that?
I can get a live stream of the station, fanatic religious stuff,
but can't get any of those podcasts to open up and play
This page opens to the podcast library
Jesus was a Corkman
and Roy's interview in in 'recent articles' from the 'Last 7 days'
and the link to Roy 's interview is the same as given by Fixer.
But Roy is blanking us.
Jesus Stutts, leave the elephant in the corner!! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
At the beginning of the interview, Keane pays a bit of lip-service to the idea that Dublin-based players were favoured treatment-wise and selection-wise over players from Cork and the rest of the country in his time. Is this just a persecution complex of sorts? He doesn't exactly claim things are still like that, as he wouldn't be in a position to judge nowadays, but I know Stephen Ireland made similar claims about the FAI. Was he just taking the hump that he hadn't the red carpet rolled out for him? Isn't it entirely possible that Irish teams might just feature more Dublin players than players from elsewhere for the very obvious reason that football is a largely urban game in Ireland and Dublin is our primary and capital city, home to about a fifth of the island's population? It would be peculiar if our teams didn't feature a significant Dublin contingent.
That's an interesting proposition. I'm not sure anyone other than the individual player concerned is in any position to judge whether they are Irish or "English through and through". Unless it becomes obvious by their utterances that they have always felt very English and are hopping on the Irish bandwagon not because it offers them a chance to play for Ireland but because it offers them a last-gasp chance to add international football to their CV. Still, it generally seems rather crude and insensitive to start making judgments as to who is "really Irish" and who isn't based on what can only be arbitrary preferences.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
I could believe it for Joe and Mary, but some of the stuff they come out with...Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Stephen Hunt was asked about this on Setanta a few weeks ago and he said that while the Dublin-based players were favoured by international selectors at underage level, they were generally further ahead in their development and it all evened out as they moved up the age grades.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible