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Made ridiculously hard work of it, Carroll made some fine stops (and looked like he nearly kept the penalty out), but we squandered some absolute sitters on the break. We were much better last week, while Linfield really only threatened from set pieces again their fitness did look markedly improved.
What would the effect on the co-efs of say a win and a draw from Dundalk.
The country's rank is not important, the LOI will have 3 entries into the EL first round for the foreseeable future unless there will be a string of atrocious results over the next 3 years. It's much more important for the clubs get the results to boost their coefficient in order to be seeded in the early rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Pats winning 2 games and a win and draw for an unseeded Cork is a very good return.
Pats only won one game.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
That should've been a lot easier. Apart from their goal, there wasn't too much from them bit nerves were always there when a goal would've knocked us out. Carroll made some fine saves to be fair to him and he's the reason it was close score wise.
Also, never seen a minutes applause have to be repeated before. First one strangely started as the players were shaking hands.
Happy to be through anyway, now let's have a go off these swedes
The country's rank is a function of the clubs' results - so if it's dropping, it means results are getting worse, which means clubs are less likely to be seeded in future Europa Leagues (a big issue), and the possibility of starting out in QR1 of the Champions' League (you would hope a small issue against San Marino/Andorra/Malta opposition, but it does give the possibility of losing in that round and missing out on €300k)Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
The individual clubs performance is much more important to their seeding, both Pat and Cork have improved their rank in their indiv. seeding. It's totally irrelevant that the LOI might have dropped a place or two in the league rankings.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Of course a league's rankings depends upon clubs' performance and if the LOI's rank keeps dropping it means the clubs are not performing, i'm not a complete moron, but that's not an issue (the LOI dropping as opposed to my moronicity) nor is it likely to be an issue because LOI clubs are winning/drawing games and ther LOI is well ahead of the drop zone to just having 2 EL entrants.
I think you'll find they lost both games.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cmok0IQWEAEFz_6.jpg
Over the 2 legs Roy Carroll stopped about 4/5 goals that would have been had a LOI keeper been playing. He'll win them that league on his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Linfield had one shot on target tonight and scored from it (plus a shot that came from an offside position and I thought was a certain goal but for an incredible save from Nults, plus the flag for offside). We have 6 or 7 in the second half alone, some of which were amazing saves from Carroll, and some which were shot straight at him.
We were by far the better team over the two legs, but we have not scored from open play since the break, two penalties is all we have from three games. Worrying.
Still, our first second round since 2007 so we'll take that. Pity we couldn't add a little more to the coefficient, but a win and a draw as an unseeded team isn't bad.
From a league point of view what really worries me is that only Pats (and maybe Dundalk if they dropped into it) would be seeded in the Europa League next year, unless we go on some mad run to the group stage. So even if we get back to 41st, we're likely to see some tough draws next year which will make it more difficult. Pats might not even qualify.
So, it became Cork-Häcken after all.
Just don't expect any big crowd, or following to Cork in the second leg. Häcken is one of the lowest-supported teams in the league, with an average of just over 3k+ link (first column) The away support usually sounds way more when they play at home.
A couple of full games I found from earlier in May that might be of interest:
Cup Final: Malmö FF - BK Häcken (They actually had a decent following in Malmö this time)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HT8iHPVcf0
BK Häcken - AIK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzsfKroFr7o
More info than that, along with my previous post, and I will soon be deported... ;)
Pat's improving their individual seeding is hardly relevant given they're looking unlikely to be in Europe next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Also, the national coefficient is a factor in clubs' coefficients - a small one, granted, but there's small gaps between clubs at LoI level. So had Pat's won in Luxembourg, Cork would have an extra 0.05 in their coefficient I think, putting them ahead of 7 more teams.
Of course it's an issue - it's a bigger issue than the seeding to be honest. It means the LoI is getting worse, and so instead of a match against a Luxembourg team being a gimme, one of our top teams is now scraping through on away goals. It means instead of beating decent Finnish teams (Drogheda beating HJK in 2006), the LoI is now going out quite weakly against a mid-table Finnish team. It means we're likely to have to put €300k on the line with a QR1 Champions' League tie in the near future. And it certainly means we're less and less likely to go on a decent run - Pat's in 2012/13 was the last one really.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
This is a bad thing.
So, it's about time we switched back to winter football then and forget about Europe?
Do up a report for the FAI based on no facts or analysis at all and they might take you up on that.
For who?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Who, apart from us nerds, actually gives a ****? European results were terrific a few years ago but crowds got lower. So what's the point?
Euro money is great for the clubs, and progression is great for the clubs involved.
But whether Shamrock Rovers progress has absolutely no impact on UCD (or most clubs). None. Rovers getting to the group stages didn't help a single LOI club and Rovers getting beat this year won't hurt them either.
If anyone wants to "fix" Irish football, then European progression should be a by-product of that, not a goal.
Hacken play hammarby this weekend, in I think 8th v 13th. They haven't lived up to the hype this year and are sitting midtable, but they have a good striker in Paulinho. Still if they dont/cant beat hammarby then Cork should be confident.
I agree with that. I'm saying European regression is a by-product of the LoI getting more broken. Which is a bad thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
St Pats off to Minsk.
Very tough game but the Saints have done it before against bigger teams.
For those making the costly trip, all I can say is hats off. Enjoy the cheap beer and a the hot women (......and men, for the PC brigade).
Dundalk organised a charter flight to Minsk last year, a two night stay in a good hotel, transport, and match ticket for €650.Quote:
Originally Posted by pateen
Meals and drink were cheap as chips. I think I only spend €40 when I was there.
But Pats win a meaningless home leg in Inchicore. Cork do the same and Dundalk progress would see the LOI shoot up the rankings. None of those 3 results would change how strong the league is but we'd suddenly be 6 places higher. They don't mean muchQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu