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Membership of a political party whose self-proclaimed vision is "a reconciled people living in a united, just and prosperous new Ireland" does fairly obviously imply believing in a united Ireland, don't ye think? It's a bit more than a perception.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Unionists have been gently ridiculed here and elsewhere for denying their Irishness. This is the same sort of thing, people hold seemingly contradicting opinions.
I guess, assuming he toes the official party line on unity...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
I can assure you all that's patently a distortion of the truth...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
;)
No. That's just your own bizarre, erm, interpretation...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
:rolleyes:
I had thought AB was asking about folk in the plural, given his use of "them".Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
My SDLP friend is certainly a Nationalist, who espouses the Party line on Unity.
Hardly, given we don't know their gender.
Post #4529 made his gender quite clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Doh..
Actually, it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Ok, my bad. Though if your posts were generally a bit clearer and not punctuated by bad spelling...Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
:rolleyes:
Bizarre, dear.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
For denying it or asserting it? I don't think the discussion here has amounted to ridicule. I think people were just genuinely confused as NB was asserting his Irishness whilst many unionists so vehemently deny it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
Would he not view the Northern Irish identity as a sort of ideological impediment to that? Or what does he feel the future holds for his identity? Does he see it as a temporary thing or what? It's certainly interesting, but I guess I just find it difficult to reconcile self-identifying as Northern Irish whilst ultimately aspiring for a discontinuance of that entity's existence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Oh, I think my use of the word "he" was both clear and spelt corrrectly.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
That was.
But not the rest. As ever.
;)
He is comfortable with "Northern Irish".Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
He doesn't view that as being within a "British" context ie. he does not consider himself Northern Irish/British.
In fact, I seem to recall the SDLP in recent times using a motto of "Proudly Northern, Proudly Irish".
How he would identify if there were to be a United Ireland, I'm not sure about. Must ask him, next time we sit down to have a chinwag on politics.
I don't see his identification as Northern Irish at odds with his Nationalist beliefs.
If others do, that's their problem, not his.
Thank You.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Might it be "northern Irish" then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Not so much a problem in that he can identify how he wishes. Just trying to get my head around it.Quote:
I don't see his identification as Northern Irish at odds with his Nationalist beliefs.
If others do, that's their problem, not his.
Could be - but he doesn't identify as just plain old "Irish".Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
I did say gently ridiculed, we don't need to quibble over that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
There were two broad schools of thought on here- those for whom it confirmed their own point of view, others who pointed out the contradiction of saying, effectively 'We're from Northern Ireland, not Ireland'.
I was pointing out above that similar self-contradiction is widely shared. I mean, self-evidently, Northern Ireland is part of both Britain (the state, the UK if we must), and Ireland (the island). Yet only 22% of a poll sample in the South seems to recognise this.
Hardly a contradiction, more a difference of opinion...
And you object to it being part of your favourite kingdom? Why?
As it'll never be part of Britain, geographically.
And why would Koreans have an opinion anyway?