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Aye, Germany are seen as the official successor to West Germany. Today's Germany are considered to have won the World Cup in 1990 even though they were then West Germany. If East Germany had ever won the World Cup, I don't think it would be historically classified as a triumph for the present German team. East Germany are deemed defunct by FIFA, along with Saarland, South Vietnam and South Yemen.
So....of all of these nations that have changed names and borders over the years, only 4 are deemed defunct? That's amazing.
As we beat the champs we should be top of the rankings.
If we are not Blatter must go.
This list of losses by the world champions was posted on Twitter yesterday, not sure how accurate it is though: https://twitter.com/irish_abroad/sta...20677077729280
The Polish ranking of 44th was released on the 23rd of October, as far as I can make out, whilst they were 70th from the previous release when they would have beaten Germany on the 11th of October, 2014.
I believe that Germany have been world champions on four occasions and we have beaten them during three of their reigns; in 1954, 1994 and 2015.
So we're up twelve places to 42nd and ahead of Scotland. Things can change pretty fast in the wonderfully flimsy world of the FIFA World Rankings.
Austria were 40th at the start of qualifying and lie 10th now. To be fair they had an outstanding qualification campaign in what looked a very difficult group at the outset.
Worth noting Belgium are now the best team in the world apparently, for the first time ever. Wales drop 7 to 15, back below England.
Bosnia up 10 places to number 20.
I find it impossible to understand Belgium being top of the pile. It was hardly a flawless qualification campaign and what have they actually done to set them apart? I'm sure the maths work out but it's just daft.
While, unfortunately, it won't improve Ireland's seeding for the draw next month, the win tonight is surely going to propel the team up a good few more places? 22 in the difference, actual quality notwithstanding.
I'm guessing between 30-35th placed in December rankings :)
Slightly annoying now that the World Cup draw was done before the Euros ended, as has usually been the case.
Though we didn't get the worst of groups in the end, so no point complaining too much I guess.
We be 31st and N Ireland will be 30th so all good :)
Not really... I would prefer them to be 32...Quote:
Originally Posted by swinfordfc
This is how the December rankings are expected to look:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...pslum6r4sb.png
According to this, we'll be the fourth-best movers in the world for 2015.
I'd love to know what the WC groups would look like if the draw was done now, ie. if those teams drawn were switched for teams now occupyimng those positions.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
The rankings are truly a farce.
Probably about accurate for us actually, but it baffles me how you can come up with a system that has Bosnia above Poland, never mind France.
Belgium the best? Switzerland 12th? Hungary 20th? Bosnia 22nd? France 25th? Poland 34th?.....Yes indeed :rolleyes:
I see what you did there. Very goodQuote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
I'm sure everyone has a good idea of how the rankings are calculated, but this article is a good synopsis of the process, and a good read:Quote:
Originally Posted by backtowalsall
http://www.theguardian.com/football/...raw-friendlies
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Fifa's ranking system heavily rewards competitive fixtures – a European team will get 2.5 times more points for a result in World Cup qualifying than the same result against the same team at the same time in a friendly. The most points it is possible to win in a friendly – by beating the world's No1 team – is 600, which is still below Switzerland's average. If even winning a friendly can hurt a top team's ranking, imagine the damage that drawing or losing can do.
So, I did out all WCQ groups as they would have been drawn if the December rankings were used.
(NB* There is an anomaly in that England, France, Germany, Spain, Italy and Netherlands would HAVE to be in 6 team groups, but I am not sure of the criteria for moving them on to a 6 team group as they were drawn in July so it isn't an exact reflection but it can be edited as soon as someone clears that up.)
A B C D E F G H I Germany Portugal Belgium Switzerland England Austria Belgium Spain Italy Bosnia Hungary Turkey Wales Czech Republic Romania Croatia Slovakia France Sweden Poland Albania Greece IRELAND Irish Football Association Representative Team Iceland Denmark Ukraine Belarus Israel Slovenia Serbia Bulgaria Scotland Norway Cyprus Finland Azerbaijan Estonia Armenia Kazakhstan Faroe Islands Lithuania Georgia Montenegro Latvia Luxembourg Andorra San Marino Malta Macedonia Liectenstein Moldova
Tough draw for I fart.
You'd have to fancy Ireland South's Handy-In-Training Eleven though. Especially with the 18 ringers in their squad who've never lived in the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Anyway, well done on belatedly rejoining the ranks of the third rate ;)
People decry the English for harping on about '66.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
Will we have to say the same about IFA fans and '16...
Or is there still mileage in Gerry Armstrong and Spain footage?
Morning Bonita. Your post would make more/ any sense had I actually mentioned any NI team in mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Do better.
Given we are (mostly) adults here is it not reasonable to assume that some of us would read what you wrote and make assumptions; I mean are we not allowed to make inferences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
To congratulate us on "belatedly rejoining the ranks of the third-rate" seems to indicate that:
1. We had ceased to be "third-rate" and are now "third-rate" again as a result of our qualification for Euro 2016. And given how it's been since 2012 I hardly could draw the conclusion that we were "second-rate" until now.
2. By saying "belatedly" it follows that we joined this 'club' after some other teams. Given the team you support qualified for Euro 2016 as winners of their group and had therefore gotten their place before we did it would be reasonable to assume that IFART are in this club and now can be considered also "third-rate". And that you have welcomed Ireland (back) to The Third-Rate Club (TTRC).
3. The sentiment of course while jovial, could easily be construed as being slightly barbed also. Similar to someone shouting "what took you so long" at late-finishers of a race. And as a result of such a comment, I accepted, given, your own form here over the years, that it was so-barbed.
4. In that, I decided to respond to your post as is my wont, and given how little I think of IFART figured it would be best to treat it with some humorous contempt.
In conclusion, IFART fans have the potential to become pretty annoying between now and June. And as I will be heading with a fellow from Larne, I'd wager it could get ever annoying still.
Getting back to the Belgians ranking, are we 100% sure that's not the World Waffle Rankings? The WWR, as international waffle competitions are known, is big business.
Gauffre it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
More circular fluff.
Good stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by swinfordfc
Up eleven places to 31st, one place behind Northern Ireland and above the likes of Poland and Sweden.
FIFA World Rankings
What happened to Sweden? They seem to be in a tailspin.
???Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
They're up 10 places?
We're up to 30th in the rankings now: http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2016/...orld-rankings/
That's one place behind NI. Belgium are still first, Italy are 15th and Sweden find themselves in 35th.
The IFA are sure to be feeling under siege:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaYm8qTWcAIpp77.png
if we were right behind the ivory coast (or just ahead of them) would the combination of flags be the only palindrome in world football?
Guinea 61st, Mali 68th not too far off.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
check out #9.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
http://www.sporcle.com/games/JoeNation/similar_flags
http://www.readingeagle.com/storyima...400&RCRadius=5Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Seems the women support Ireland though :p
Seems a common problem in boxing!
http://m0.joe.ie/YToyOntzOjQ6ImRhdGE...tie-taylor.jpg
A few too many blows to the head!!
Not to be a gloater but I got all of them correct with still 90 seconds to go! I suppose it helps me that I know all of the flags of the world. There actually is a small error in that game, Malawi's flag in that list (second one in group 1) has actually changed back to their previous one before that one. #FlagNerdQuote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87