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Originally Posted by JR89
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Job? Managing and representing your country- That's an honour. You don't get asked again.Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
Yep. Dead to me, if the news and reasoning is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by lofty9
Very disappointing if the Carsley story is true.
Keane and Lennon are out of the question as far as I'm concerned. It would be a deliberate act of self- harm and a bomb waiting to go off to appoint either.
Hughton is past his shelf-life I'm afraid, though he would be preferable to the above. Low, low bar though that is.
Nobody else stands out among the names commonly mentioned.
I expect criticism for saying so, but I would suggest we reappoint Mick on a twelve-month contract as a glorified caretaker manager while taking our time in finding a suitable longer term successor to Kenny.
Better that than rashly giving a lengthy contract to one of the lesser and deeply uninspiring candidates whose names have been floated in the media.
This is the only good news today
I hope he gets 6 years in jail when the dust settles
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/...910658441.html
According to the Irish Times, no offer has been made
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soc...o-offers-made/
He is managing his country though. Not quite so easy a call in that caseQuote:
Originally Posted by lofty9
And almost certainly no offer has been made in terms of going through the formal channels (asking permission through the FA etc). So technically that's correct. But it does seem likely at this point that the offer has been made through the back channels to Carsley and/or his agent, and he has said no.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Perhaps the FAI were unwilling / unable to pay for the kind of back-up team that Carsley would be expecting !
No one has officially said anything. I still think negotiations are on going. Would be very easy for the English FA to make statement that their employee is going nowhere. All we have is the story from a Daily Mail journo. I think there's legs in this yet
Some of the candidates are bordering on sad.
https://extra.ie/2024/01/27/sport/so...rsley-own-goal
An interesting article and credit to Quinn, unlike a lot of the Irish press pack, he isn't pretending that he knows more than he does here. As I thought and suggested above, the "no offer has been made" thing only relates to a formal offer, which wouldn't be made anyway unless it was effectively a done deal.
Clearly something has gone wrong somewhere this week, if I was to guess I would say it's maybe the size of the budget being offered in terms of backroom staff not being to Carsley's liking - so far at least, but that's just a guess.
Did we really expect anything other than a shambles from the FAI - even their most successful appointment, Charlton, came about through a chaotic process where Charlton was far from the front-runner for the job.
Canham and Hill need to take a step back now - acknowledge that there isn't going to be an appointment before the NL draw - regroup - see if there are bridges that can be rebuilt with Carsley (if they did ****-up the discussions) - and if not then start the process again.
The worst thing they could do is panic and appoint Lennon because they don't have anyone else on their list - hell - I'd even put up with Robbie Keane, who I consider an utterly useless waste of space who is concerned with nothing else than self-interest and self-advancement (he chases the money), before I would stand for Lennon getting the job.
If the FAI can get Barry or Eustace or mend fences with Carsley then fair enough. But Chris Hughton is still the candidate with the best record as a manager - yes Ghana were eliminated from AFCON and they played poorly, but Ghana are not a good team and Hughton managed to stabilise them and get them to AFCON. They only went out of the tournament because the players on the pitch against Mozambique panicked and let in two goals in injury time. The whistle goes two minutes earlier and Egypt are going home instead. Hughton would be a safe pair of hands, a stabilising force and would improve performances. Maybe that is exactly what the Irish team need right now.
Yeah ~ ~ You could see a fella that is used to working for the English FA, with all of their wealth, suddenly getting a big awakener when the money available from the FAI was discussed re; Carsley's back-up team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
The name in that article that would represent the biggest fiasco the FAI could possibly engineer for themselves is Robbie Keane. So that's almost certainly what will end up happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
T'would help Robbie Keane " escape " from Israel !Quote:
Originally Posted by backstothewall
Agree!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant
He’s also a good media performer. Will bring a calmness and professionalism that’s been lacking for a few years.
"ghana are not a good team" neither are Ireland! Hughton would be a disaster. The less said about Lennon the better
Not just "mad", but offensively so. That said, as someone pointed out at the time, what he said was not essentially different from what 1 billion Hindus believe. And in any case, he might even have survived the scandal, until Tony Blair decided that football was also in his governing remit and called for him to be sacked the next day on Breakfast TV.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Anyhow to get back on point, Hoddle was in many respects a good manager (tactics, formations, game management etc), but ultimately not quite a great one, due to his inability to motivate entire squads. For example, showing up Beckham by demonstrating in front of the whole squad that he could still hit a better free kick than him didn't help, hence the nickname "Chocolate", i.e. loved himself so much he'd eat himself if he could!
Truly magnificent player, mind.
Despite that Hughton got them to AFCON and they were 2-0 in injury time to get to the knockout stages before they blew it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
Eustace would be the obvious choice now.
His results in the built up to AFCON were awful too. Ghana couldn't get rid of him quickly enough, much like Forest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant
Is the reality simply that a Championship job will get a manager like euctace 2 or 3 times more money and much more freedom.and available finance to bring in his own coaching and backroom staff? In fairness to the FAI they simply can't spend that level of money that seems to be common in Championship footballQuote:
Originally Posted by gastric
Maybe Gus Poyet's time has come ? !
Fact he's fallen out with his last three employers is probably a turn off for the FAI. Being so public about the Irish job while employed by Greece probably doesn't help either because he'll likely do it again and the FAI are poorly run so chances are he'll find issues to moan about publicly regarding them.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Probably similar reasons why Keane won't get it. His spat with Walters and Arter during Ireland camp probably have him at the bottom of any FAI list.
Ghana had five managers in the previous five years - Ghana were in free fall for all of that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
In Hughton's first two games they beat Angola and then drew away with them (Angola have just topped their group at AFCON).
His competitive record with Ghana is
P9 W3 D4 L2 - significantly better than Kenny's record with Ireland and it includes games at a major international tournament.
Furthermore they lost the game against Cape Verde by conceding in injury time - and blew a 2-0 lead in injury time against Mozambique. A bounce of the ball would have seen them out of the group and Egypt going home. Despite that Hughton held his hand up, accepted responsibility for the failure and said it wasn't good enough - something Kenny never did in 3 1/2 years. And before you try it - yes they lost 2 friendlies - to the USA (ranked 48 places above them) and Mexico (45 places above them).
The Ghanaian FA is riddled with corruption and Hughton was brought in by the Ghanaian government to try and steady the ship - there were significant sections of the Ghanaian FA trying to shaft him from the moment he got the job. He was actually threatened with the sack because of the squad of players he picked for the WC qualifier against Madagascar in November.
Now - I can appreciate that many fans would not want Hughton - he is 65 and despite his very good record as a manager, some consider him a dinosaur. I don't have a problem with the FA hiring the likes of Carsley, Barry or Eustace if there is a possibility - all of them would be a punt that could work out or could blow up in our faces - but that is the chance you take. But when the likes of Lennon are being touted as the bookies favourite - that gets me mad. Hughton is still the only guy listed with a significant record of achievement as a manager (and before anyone starts - Lennon does not).
Would anyone object to Scott Parker?
He's available
If Carsley lied to or lead the FAI on in some way, that's one thing, but if all he did was turn down a job offer, then I don't see where the hate towards him is coming from.
The idea that any manager should be a patriot and instantly jump at the chance to manage their country is fairly silly.
Especially if you are dealing with the FAI.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
In fact it might be argued that he is managing "his country", albeit at U-21 level, though with a shout at the top job in future.
Which is not to discount his previous commitment to ROI (eg 40-odd caps etc), but we should not imagine that everyone is eg a Kevin Kilbane, for many people such matters of identity are not binary.
We can assume by Carsley's previous words that Ireland is very much his countryQuote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
My hate is reserved until a) it is official and b) there’s a sense as to why. If his motivation is to hang in for a shot at the England senior job or because thinks he will make more money staying in the Three Lions set up then it says a lot. Obviously the deal has to be generous/fair and worth it but I believe that managing your country - the country you pledged your international playing career to - is an honour and we need to keep thinking of it as such. I don’t think we should be so quick to dismiss patriotism as silly!Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Exclusively so, forsaking all others as with eg Kevin Kilbane?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
Or 50:50(?), as in Declan Rice. Or 25:75(?), as per Jolly Jack Greaish?
Carsley is the man who took a break from international duty for a year when he wasn't getting regular starts, and the travelling etc was taking him away from his family. (Which is not to criticise him in any way, his priorities are imo admirable.)
"Hate"? Dear oh dear. (And btw you mean "hatred")Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Hang on, if managing your country is such an honour and privilege etc, then surely any half-decent package should be acceptable? You know, £300k pa versus £600k pa for a bog-standard Championship job, for instance.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
"The country he pledged his international playing career to" is it? Like he turned down England caps to play for ROI :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Remember, too, that he qualifed for ROI via a Co.Cork grandmother i.e. genetically, at least, he is 3/4 English.
I'll see your "Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori" and raise you my "My Country Right or Wrong".Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Interesting suggestion and I wouldn't necessarily object - did a decent enough job at Fulham (promotion then relegation) and Bournemouth (got them promoted - Gary O'Neill did a better job than him after Parker was sacked) - not so good at Brugge - but worth a deeper dive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
As an aside - Chrish Hughton got Newcastle promoted, almost got Birmingham promoted and got Brighton promoted and kept them in the PL for two seasons on a shoestring (and was never relegated with any of his clubs)..
Look at it from a personal perspective - managing an U21 side that just won a major tournament - and the prospect of taking over a side that could be expected to go deep into the knockout stages of major tournaments - OR - a rebuild task, correcting 3 1/2 years of directionless leadership and then have to fight for every point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
I am sure that Carsley does have ambition to manage Ireland (I am sure that Chris Hughton, Roy Keane, Robbie Keane, Damien Duff etc also have that ambition) - but when you have the possible opportunity to manage a team challenging for the Euro Championship or the World Cup - you really do have to try and maximise what you can achieve as a manager - and I wouldn't fault him for that.
Hate or hatred, in a very foot.ie sense of the word. Whatever Osa saw on previous messages that caused him to use the word.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Disappointed that needs explaining.
It is an honour. Absolutely it is. But not at any cost. The deal that’s allegedly on the table sounds generous and I’m assuming constitutes a pay raise.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
What’s that got to do with anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
What’s that got to do with anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
You’re taking things a bit too seriously my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
The Man ~ " Doth Protest Too Much "Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
I would - he's an idealist who insists on playing 'the right way'. Works ok against inferior opposition but as soon as you come up against a good side you're in trouble. We need a bit more pragmatism at the moment. Losing 9-0 at Liverpool an extreme example of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
Any more blind speculation or gossip this morning? I need my fill.
Yes, an England based CEO wants an Ireland based senior manager. That rules out all names mentioned so far, no?
We've had our warnings re Jonathan hill, he needs to be sacked without delayQuote:
Originally Posted by ifk101