LoI in Europe 2018

Decent game last night and a fair result. AEK are a good outfit, had plenty of the ball, but definitely lacking a little bit of cutting edge up front. Duffy had a great chance prob around 20 mins, possibly should have scored, Hoban and Duffy again all had more chances, but so they AEK.

0-0 home draw is not the worst result, that’s only Hajduk Split who have beaten Dundalk at Oriel now under Kenny (and Dlk won the away game), unbeaten v Bate, Esch, FH, Rosenborg, Levadia & AEK, not too many wins mind, only Esch and Levadia.

Also read this am, Dundalk have scored in 9 of the last 10 euro away games, that’s a decent record, obviously need to score away, wouldn’t fancy 0-0 after 180 mins in that heat, I think we can get a result, but AEK will be favs now.

Disappointing that the ref booked Hoban for remonstrating about being spat at by a Larnaca player.

Say what you like about other teams in this league but being spat at is not something players have to put up with.

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Hands up, you got him good there. It's deserved.

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Eh no he just proved my point around negativity and low expectations Kingdom. Stop following me around the www you dirty perverted voyeur :P.

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Originally Posted by El-Pietro

It only adds to the league coefficient. Not to Dundalks coefficient. I assume you will disappear from this forum again after next week for another year?

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Hes a regular poster on foot.ie from what i can remember.

Must be very bitter down in Cork

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Santa Coloma 1-0 Valur in tonight's main upset. Valur - who were 60 seconds from knocking out Rosenborg last week - were shocking and deserved nothing tonight. Funny aul game!

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Now where has our Icelandic cheerleader gone?

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

It will be higher, it will be mid 30s, possibly mid to late 30s.

Is that draw a 0.5 in co-effs. What would Dundalk need to get this year to be Seeded 1st in the 2nd round next year, or in CL Champions path round 1/2 next year?

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Dundalk were seeded in EL QR1 (cut off 2.900) and QR2 (cut off 5.000) this year - that won't change for next year in the EL based on their current coefficient of 7.000.

In the extreme hypothetical situation where Dundalk win the league this year - then their own co-efficient is good enough as it stands to have them seeded in the CL QR1 next year (Cut off 2018: 3.750) but it would not be good enough for QR2. (Cut off for 2018 14.000)

However if Dundalk in this mega hypothetical situation did win the league and as a seeded team in QR1 it follows that they would have a great chance of making the EL group stages.

Assume they win CLQR1, lose CLQR2, drop down to the ELQR3 as a seed, and win that round - they would be 1 tie away from the group stages and that is just following their seeding. Of course they can be lucky and unlucky in terms of the draw and it is rarely as simple as that.

Cork City of course are going to retain the league title this season ( I have to be positive ) - so the above is a purely hypothetical.

I would expect the cut off for seeded in the CL to rise slightly next year so our current co-efficient of 3.750 would be on the cusp of being potentially seeded IMO - progression to ELQR4 this year would bring it up to 4.250 and be potentially good enough. A ranking of 3.750 would be good enough probably (but not definitely) for us to be seeded in ELQR1 but certainly not ELQR2 for next year but that probably doesn't matter.

Confused? Good.

Very interesting game. Before the game I thought Dundalk's best tactic would be to play very high tempo and press them early and that seemed to be the way they set out. If anything that back fired a bit though, Larnaca didn't panic and killed the tempo early on and Dundalk seemed to be rushing things in comparison to their normal game. Overall I'd have said Larnaca were just about the better team, but playing away, in what's bound to be a slower tempo game, might actually help Dundalk to an extent. They'll sit a bit deeper, try and slow it down and retain the ball when they have it, invite Larnaca on a bit and hit them more on the break where the pace of Duffy, Connolly etc. can really be maximized. I'd agree that Dundalk looked a bit too open in the middle, Benson wants to bomb on a little bit too much, and McGrath's main job is meant to be linking play and getting close to the striker which left an awful lot for Shiels to do (which he did extremely well in the circumstances). It's a huge task in the away leg, but a score draw is definitely possible.

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Originally Posted by oriel

Decent game last night and a fair result. AEK are a good outfit, had plenty of the ball, but definitely lacking a little bit of cutting edge up front. Duffy had a great chance prob around 20 mins, possibly should have scored, Hoban and Duffy again all had more chances, but so they AEK.

0-0 home draw is not the worst result, that’s only Hajduk Split who have beaten Dundalk at Oriel now under Kenny (and Dlk won the away game), unbeaten v Bate, Esch, FH, Rosenborg, Levadia & AEK, not too many wins mind, only Esch and Levadia.

Also read this am, Dundalk have scored in 9 of the last 10 euro away games, that’s a decent record, obviously need to score away, wouldn’t fancy 0-0 after 180 mins in that heat, I think we can get a result, but AEK will be favs now.

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Dundalk did well last night & were unlucky not to grab a goal from one of their chances.
AEK are a tidy outfit & fast on the break. They had players missing last night which may be back for next week. They will also have an extra week of fitness.
Dundalk have a good chance next week but what might catch them is the heat as its expected to be very hot out there.
Expected to be in the mid 30's.

Did Dundalk not play some matches during our own heatwave? May not have been 45 degrees celsius, but was pushing 25-30. In general, this was the warmest summer for between 20 and 40 years. Those little things should stand to them, I feel. Still annoyed that Duffy didn't score on 11 mins. A 1 nil win for Dundalk would have been massive. There's a time and place to be a 'fancy dan' and that chance wasn't one of those times. If they get chances in Cyprus, maybe a simple finish would suffice.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...ed-858129.html
Clearly timed to add to the pressure on the GAA surrounding Pairc Ui Chaoimh but I'm glad to hear we'd be moving to Limerick rather than Dublin. I'm no fan of Thomond Park but I'd much prefer to play a 'home' game there rather than in Dublin. Plus with some EL group games starting at 6pm getting to Limerick would be easier for people in the City and west of the City than Dublin. Especially with rush hour traffic around Dublin.

Hopefully if we do get to these games the PUC issue is resolved and we can keep the games in Cork. I think we would probably need to move a playoff round game too. It is quite possible that we get that far this year. Maybe 40% as we'd still be underdogs vs Rosenborg but definitely a real possibility.

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Originally Posted by El-Pietro

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...ed-858129.html
Clearly timed to add to the pressure on the GAA surrounding Pairc Ui Chaoimh but I'm glad to hear we'd be moving to Limerick rather than Dublin. I'm no fan of Thomond Park but I'd much prefer to play a 'home' game there rather than in Dublin. Plus with some EL group games starting at 6pm getting to Limerick would be easier for people in the City and west of the City than Dublin. Especially with rush hour traffic around Dublin.

Hopefully if we do get to these games the PUC issue is resolved and we can keep the games in Cork. I think we would probably need to move a playoff round game too. It is quite possible that we get that far this year. Maybe 40% as we'd still be underdogs vs Rosenborg but definitely a real possibility.

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It would be sad enough if/when we have to move a game to Thomond. Anyway its better than the alternative which would be Dublin.

Limerick City will finally have a team in Europe. Pat O'Sullivan will be thrilled.

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Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid

It would be sad enough if/when we have to move a game to Thomond. Anyway its better than the alternative which would be Dublin.

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Especially when theres a stadium that seats 21k built with public funding only a couple of kilometers from Turners Cross sitting idle. I think the only way we get to use PUC is if we first move a game and we get similar uproar to what we've seen over the past two weeks. The money lost to the city would be criminal. Thats before you think about Cork City fans having to travel on a week day for a 6pm kick off in Limerick on bad roads.
In an ideal world we'd get a derogation to play all of our games in TX but thats unlikely. Next best option is PUC but thats less likely.

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Originally Posted by El-Pietro

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...ed-858129.html
Clearly timed to add to the pressure on the GAA surrounding Pairc Ui Chaoimh but I'm glad to hear we'd be moving to Limerick rather than Dublin. I'm no fan of Thomond Park but I'd much prefer to play a 'home' game there rather than in Dublin. Plus with some EL group games starting at 6pm getting to Limerick would be easier for people in the City and west of the City than Dublin. Especially with rush hour traffic around Dublin.

Hopefully if we do get to these games the PUC issue is resolved and we can keep the games in Cork. I think we would probably need to move a playoff round game too. It is quite possible that we get that far this year. Maybe 40% as we'd still be underdogs vs Rosenborg but definitely a real possibility.

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Any decision made around the Liam miller game, would be an exemption, they couldn't change to open up the ground before congress, which has already was being reported as having being widely rejected in 2017. I don't see why they should open their grounds either to be honest. Same as i don't see why gaa should be played on football pitches.

What criteria do Cork not meet for a play-off game? Munster FA own turners cross do they? Effectively meaning FAI owned?

I thought having to play Europa League games in Dublin would be a disaster for the club. However, it turned out to be great. Dundalk attracted a lot of new support from Dublin and Leinster and many of those people are now coming to games in Oriel and when we play away in Dublin.

Playing in Limerick would allow Cork to spread their support further afield.

Ya but would Dundalk have conceded 2 goals back in Oriel? It was a good mix of poles there as well actually, would have been good if some of them had decided to follow Dundalk/local Loi club after. Hearing the champions league music in the Avivia was something special though.

Turners Cross is a much bigger capacity than Oriel Park as well, would Cork City realistically get more than 7k for the games anyway? Unless its a big Premiership club. It makes less sense for Cork to move than it did for Dundalk.

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Originally Posted by El-Pietro

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...ed-858129.html
Clearly timed to add to the pressure on the GAA surrounding Pairc Ui Chaoimh but I'm glad to hear we'd be moving to Limerick rather than Dublin. I'm no fan of Thomond Park but I'd much prefer to play a 'home' game there rather than in Dublin. Plus with some EL group games starting at 6pm getting to Limerick would be easier for people in the City and west of the City than Dublin. Especially with rush hour traffic around Dublin.

Hopefully if we do get to these games the PUC issue is resolved and we can keep the games in Cork. I think we would probably need to move a playoff round game too. It is quite possible that we get that far this year. Maybe 40% as we'd still be underdogs vs Rosenborg but definitely a real possibility.

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Given the negativity around the game for Liam Miller RIP I doubt you would get much joy from Cork bog ballers regarding PUC. would be a pity to take such games out of Cork but Thomond is probably a better option than Dublin. lets hope it becomes a problem for group games !

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

Given the negativity around the game for Liam Miller RIP I doubt you would get much joy from Cork bog ballers regarding PUC. would be a pity to take such games out of Cork but Thomond is probably a better option than Dublin. lets hope it becomes a problem for group games !

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It's all about the "small ball" in Cork, not the other bigger boggier kind :D.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Any decision made around the Liam miller game, would be an exemption, they couldn't change to open up the ground before congress, which has already was being reported as having being widely rejected in 2017. I don't see why they should open their grounds either to be honest. Same as i don't see why gaa should be played on football pitches.

What criteria do Cork not meet for a play-off game? Munster FA own turners cross do they? Effectively meaning FAI owned?

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Amount of public money poured into the redevelopment of PUC. Having those match(es) in Cork would be a big boost for the whole City (not just financially). Public money should be utilized for all the people of Cork, but maybe an argument for a different thread :D

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Originally Posted by White Horse

I thought having to play Europa League games in Dublin would be a disaster for the club. However, it turned out to be great. Dundalk attracted a lot of new support from Dublin and Leinster and many of those people are now coming to games in Oriel and when we play away in Dublin.

Playing in Limerick would allow Cork to spread their support further afield.

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Limerick people don't even support Limerick - we've no chance of expanding our support base imo.

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

Given the negativity around the game for Liam Miller RIP I doubt you would get much joy from Cork bog ballers regarding PUC. would be a pity to take such games out of Cork but Thomond is probably a better option than Dublin. lets hope it becomes a problem for group games !

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Down this way all the negativity has been directed at the GAA. I don't think we'll see a quick ruling making it available for us should we need it but its good to keep the discussion going. It doesn't make sense for us to move out of Cork when a publickly funded stadium that is open for 12 days a year sits empty.

I think long term our best option is to buy into Musgrave Park and redevelop that into a 10-12k seated Cat 4 stadium that can be shared/municipal. Thats long term though.

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Originally Posted by El-Pietro

Down this way all the negativity has been directed at the GAA. I don't think we'll see a quick ruling making it available for us should we need it but its good to keep the discussion going. It doesn't make sense for us to move out of Cork when a publickly funded stadium that is open for 12 days a year sits empty.

I think long term our best option is to buy into Musgrave Park and redevelop that into a 10-12k seated Cat 4 stadium that can be shared/municipal. Thats long term though.

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Would make sense all around to see the gam(es) played at PUC - including making money for the GAA. Unfortunately it appears bigotry even trumps financial gain for some :rolleyes: personally I believe large tax payer input should entitle some level of access for non GAA activities but that's another story.

Hopefully staying in TX would be feasible. It's got a bigger capacity than Tallaght where we played out group games. I imagine it had other issues though

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Originally Posted by El-Pietro

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...ed-858129.html
Clearly timed to add to the pressure on the GAA surrounding Pairc Ui Chaoimh but I'm glad to hear we'd be moving to Limerick rather than Dublin. I'm no fan of Thomond Park but I'd much prefer to play a 'home' game there rather than in Dublin. Plus with some EL group games starting at 6pm getting to Limerick would be easier for people in the City and west of the City than Dublin. Especially with rush hour traffic around Dublin.

Hopefully if we do get to these games the PUC issue is resolved and we can keep the games in Cork. I think we would probably need to move a playoff round game too. It is quite possible that we get that far this year. Maybe 40% as we'd still be underdogs vs Rosenborg but definitely a real possibility.

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It is looking likely that the GAA will be shamed into letting the Liam Miller game go ahead at PuC - no doubt using some mealy-mouthed self-serving set of words to justify it being a super-doper one-off never to happen again thing.

I wouldn't bet on Cork City getting to use PuC so quickly after it's been wrenched out of the GAA's hands for that game. Though it does feel like the start of the slow end of the GAA's ridiculous ban on Saxon sports using their facilities. And not before time.

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

Would make sense all around to see the gam(es) played at PUC - including making money for the GAA. Unfortunately it appears bigotry even trumps financial gain for some :rolleyes: personally I believe large tax payer input should entitle some level of access for non GAA activities but that's another story.

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Ya but that's retrospective, when the money was given it should have been a clear stipulation. Its the governments fault for not clearly stipulating, saying community events etc is vague and ambiguous and gave the GAA wriggle room - which is probably the intended objective.

I think PUC would be sh1t for football, they get 70million Euro and they cant even build a proper stadium. Must be a cork thing :P

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Any decision made around the Liam miller game, would be an exemption, they couldn't change to open up the ground before congress, which has already was being reported as having being widely rejected in 2017. I don't see why they should open their grounds either to be honest. Same as i don't see why gaa should be played on football pitches.

What criteria do Cork not meet for a play-off game? Munster FA own turners cross do they? Effectively meaning FAI owned?

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Surely rather than have GAA Central Council/Congress call the shots, like some sort of authoritarian dictatorship, it should be left up to each individual county and club to decide what to do with its own facilities ?

And if you don't think GAA grounds should be opened up to other sports - does that include American Football and things like Beyoncé and Springsteen too, or just 'Saxon' games ?

Do you think football and rugby should reciprocate by not letting GAA clubs use their facilities ? There are a number of GAA clubs in Ireland and overseas which simply wouldn't exist now if other sports had taken a similarly bigoted or retaliatory view. Or is it only the GAA who should be allowed to act in such a way ?

P.S. The Munster FA is the Munster FA - not the FAI. I'm pretty sure it even pre-dates the foundation of the FAI (the Munster Senior Cup does anyway).

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Originally Posted by El-Pietro

Down this way all the negativity has been directed at the GAA. I don't think we'll see a quick ruling making it available for us should we need it but its good to keep the discussion going. It doesn't make sense for us to move out of Cork when a publickly funded stadium that is open for 12 days a year sits empty.

I think long term our best option is to buy into Musgrave Park and redevelop that into a 10-12k seated Cat 4 stadium that can be shared/municipal. Thats long term though.

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Musgrave is just getting a new astro put down in it and I'm not sure on how suitable it would be for football. Then the clubs that play there probably have a lease that would be an issue too. It would be good, but complicated.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Any decision made around the Liam miller game, would be an exemption, they couldn't change to open up the ground before congress, which has already was being reported as having being widely rejected in 2017. I don't see why they should open their grounds either to be honest. Same as i don't see why gaa should be played on football pitches.

What criteria do Cork not meet for a play-off game? Munster FA own turners cross do they? Effectively meaning FAI owned?

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Since they got state funding EU regulations mean that pretty much they can't have their facilities completely unavailable for use to the community as they have now but are trying to get around by offering the conference facilities out but the EU weren't happy with the funding in the first place so they probably won't buy that

is Musgrave Park beside Turners Cross by any chance?

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Originally Posted by Martinho II

is Musgrave Park beside Turners Cross by any chance?

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About 500m

GAA made a mistake by initially refusing to host the Miller game. It was a charity event, and the backlash, even from within their own sport, is something they really should have expected.

But I don't think there would be anything like the same reaction (from GAA people anyway) if Cork City were refused use of PUC for European games.

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Originally Posted by osarusan

But I don't think there would be anything like the same reaction (from GAA people anyway) if Cork City were refused use of PUC for European games.

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In my opinion the general reaction would be totally different - It would be at best unsympathetic and more likely to be overtly hostile

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

would Cork City realistically get more than 7k for the games anyway?

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Absolutely, yes. However, Turners Cross for me unless it's turned down which it likely will be.

I actually think the backlash in Cork about us not being allowed to play group games in PuC (as hypothetical as can be) would be huge. The bigots still exist, but they represent a much smaller portion of the population than they would have previously. Also, the club has built enormous goodwill around the city and have helped to carve a different image for LOI football over the past few years.

It wouldn't be quite the disgusted backlash of the Liam Miller fiasco, but a frustration around the continued bigotry and the public funds which have literally been sunk into this white elephant. A white elephant which shouldn't be so.

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Originally Posted by Pablo Escobar

Absolutely, yes. However, Turners Cross for me unless it's turned down which it likely will be.

I actually think the backlash in Cork about us not being allowed to play group games in PuC (as hypothetical as can be) would be huge. The bigots still exist, but they represent a much smaller portion of the population than they would have previously. Also, the club has built enormous goodwill around the city and have helped to carve a different image for LOI football over the past few years.

It wouldn't be quite the disgusted backlash of the Liam Miller fiasco, but a frustration around the continued bigotry and the public funds which have literally been sunk into this white elephant. A white elephant which shouldn't be so.

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Perhaps the general vibe in Cork would be supportive, but there would be strong resistance nationally and probably locally.

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Perhaps the general vibe in Cork would be supportive, but there would be strong resistance nationally and probably locally.

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Resistance, yes there would. It's a sad indictment of the types we still have living in this country.

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Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid

About 500m

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ah know it so!

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Originally Posted by Martinho II

is Musgrave Park beside Turners Cross by any chance?

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is that where Cork City played Bayern Munich?

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Originally Posted by Martinho II

is that where Cork City played Bayern Munich?

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That's the one.

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Originally Posted by EatYerGreens

It is looking likely that the GAA will be shamed into letting the Liam Miller game go ahead at PuC - no doubt using some mealy-mouthed self-serving set of words to justify it being a super-doper one-off never to happen again thing.

I wouldn't bet on Cork City getting to use PuC so quickly after it's been wrenched out of the GAA's hands for that game. Though it does feel like the start of the slow end of the GAA's ridiculous ban on Saxon sports using their facilities. And not before time.

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Jeez, are you writing the GAA statements now EYG ? almost an uncanny similarity to the Croke Park politburo missive ;) They realise they screwed up RE the L.M. match but warning they will be prepared next time ! Don't fancy City's chances of much help from that quarter.

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Originally Posted by EatYerGreens

Surely rather than have GAA Central Council/Congress call the shots, like some sort of authoritarian dictatorship, it should be left up to each individual county and club to decide what to do with its own facilities ?

And if you don't think GAA grounds should be opened up to other sports - does that include American Football and things like Beyoncé and Springsteen too, or just 'Saxon' games ?

Do you think football and rugby should reciprocate by not letting GAA clubs use their facilities ? There are a number of GAA clubs in Ireland and overseas which simply wouldn't exist now if other sports had taken a similarly bigoted or retaliatory view. Or is it only the GAA who should be allowed to act in such a way ?

P.S. The Munster FA is the Munster FA - not the FAI. I'm pretty sure it even pre-dates the foundation of the FAI (the Munster Senior Cup does anyway).

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Interesting point this, as reading some articles over the weekend suggests that now the GAA will have to go and do something like this, as its proven that the rulebook isn't worth the paper its written on. I think it is, this is in itself a community event, a charity event.

I don't think it should be necessarily be up to anyone central structure, i agree with that. I just think football pitches and GAA pitches are not suited to be played in the same pitches. GAA have generally at local level, same as most football clubs, fundraised and built most of their own facilities with sports grands and GAA hq giving some money too. IT should be their choice as an individual club what they do with it, but I think it each sport should play on their own pitches.

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Originally Posted by Pablo Escobar

Absolutely, yes. However, Turners Cross for me unless it's turned down which it likely will be.

I actually think the backlash in Cork about us not being allowed to play group games in PuC (as hypothetical as can be) would be huge. The bigots still exist, but they represent a much smaller portion of the population than they would have previously. Also, the club has built enormous goodwill around the city and have helped to carve a different image for LOI football over the past few years.

It wouldn't be quite the disgusted backlash of the Liam Miller fiasco, but a frustration around the continued bigotry and the public funds which have literally been sunk into this white elephant. A white elephant which shouldn't be so.

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I have no idea of local politics or localism in Cork, but my friends would suggest that "tis only small ball in cork boy", and there would be little appetite for association football being played in PUC. I have no idea as i said so happy to be wrong on this one.