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Thats a good post Stutts.
I was talking to some Irish yesterday on vacation here about the team....its kind of like grasping at straws sometimes. We all know what we need but a lot of times we dont have it. I dont know if there is any answer at times. Its frustrating.
Absolutely, which goes back to the realization that a lot of us had after the Euros that there is something very wrong with the way we develop/farm players as a nation and how we consider it acceptable to allow the English system (which has the same deficiencies) dictate their "philosophy" on how Irish players will be coached and how they will play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
Very true. It's about our lack oc coaching to our youngsters in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Can Duffy and Clark pass the ball better than Dunne and O'Shea? Of course they can't. I recognise the need to blood young players and that O'Shea in particular has been poor for us, but our defenders can't build from the back when the midfield is set up to shun possession and other teams find it so easy to force us into a long ball game. Clark and Duffy could come into the team, but they would do exactly what Dunne and O'Shea have been doing except with an added propensity for making mistakes and errors of judgement.Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
Regardless of any retirement risk, it looks as if Richard Dunne is struggling to be fit for the Kazakhstan game after picking up a groin injury.
This is additionally concerning when The Doc has just posted elsewhere that St. Ledger was injured tonight as well. Hopefully Ciaran Clark might be getting a call up for the Serbia game.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soc...321289478.html
seems certain to miss the match now...
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...321294442.html
Communication is still terrible under Trap. Dunne's club are annoyed and legend Shay Given gets sent a text to say he's being rested. Seriously, who uses text messages as a management tool? Especially at this level? They're so informal and so open to misinterpretation. Surely grown men who have given so much to us (3 off-days in Poland beside the point) deserve better. Why not a phone call, with interpreter on hand if needs be? Why not longer e-mails, with a "please confirm receipt within 24h" or something to make sure the e-mail has been received?
I think something is up in the camp and I'd love to know what it is. If Trap has lost some of our players due to sheer unprofessionalism, I'd like him gone.
Keeping club's up to date with injuries isn't the managers job. Don't know how common texting is, but I suspect it's more common than we'd think - albeit managers using it probably speak the same language as the person they're sending it to...Quote:
Originally Posted by p2011
People end long term relationships by text. Compared to telling someone they are being rested for a game, the latter is in the halfpenny place.Quote:
Originally Posted by p2011
Communication has been disastrous under Trap. I blame the FAI for this in the main. Trap can send texts all he wants but as long as they're only ancilalry tools over and above formal confirmation. I agree with 2011 except that I think communication shouldn't be his job except where personal explanations are required.
While Trap's methods of communication baffle me, it's hard to see how Ireland are at fault for Dunne picking up an injury playing for his club 6 weeks after last playing for his country.Quote:
Originally Posted by p2011
Don't mind her.... The bitch!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Villa seem to be stirring things up here. If there's anyone in the FAI who has external credibility it's Dr. Alan Byrne, after how he diagnosed Shane Duffy's injury and saved his life.
surprised nobody has pointed out that Dunne played at least two preseason games for Villa, before this was diagnosed
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Actually, it was just two games he played in:
VS Philadelphia Union: http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetai...853449,00.html
VS Chicago Fire: http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetai...856677,00.html
I presume the players are the ones who prefer text messaging. I really doubt septuagenarian Italians are that enthused by it. My dad's in his 60s, and can receive texts for work, but if he wants to reply, he has to hand the phone to someone else. Meanwhile, most people I know in their 20s are happy to text while simultaneously holding a conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Yes. Are you the first to only notice what, could be, going on here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Its funny how people are finally realising Traps mis-communication and possible general feeling of something wrong in the camp.
it's not unreasonable to assume that Trapattoni communicates with the rest of the squad via text, and none of them have reported any problems with it
Is this just another outbreak of mindless gossip on the board.
The only mention Trap gets in that IT article is that he has made it abundantly clear he wants Dunne to stick around.
If Dunne had a medical issue then it's the medics who take decisions and communicate with club medics.
I hear Trap is very up to date with modern technology, and will often sent out aQuote:
Originally Posted by p2011
quick "u r drpd" when a player is not required :)
I suspect players would rather a text than a verbal message anyway.
A text will do for 80% of the squad. No need for a call to the likes of Whelan.
However a telephone call is essential for those you want to keep on board like Dunne & Given. A call should also be made to those where there have been misunderstandings.
Pigeon is OK for McShane.
You cannot be 100% certain that a recipient has read a sent text. It can easily be deleted by mistake or overlooked.
Surely, in this day and age, they should be utilising Facebook chat; it even tells you when the recipient has seen your message now!
http://www.smashpixels.com/wp-conten...-chat-seen.jpg
Pretty sure they're already doing that. Richard Dunne posted this on his Twitter feed.
https://img.skitch.com/20120807-fmjg...f3jmkuye3r.png
According to Dan McDonnell, Trap is to visit Richard in Birmingham tomorrow to "clarify his situation": https://twitter.com/McDonnellDan/sta...10585843466240
Not sure if that's his injury situation or potential retirement situation...
Meanwhile, just came across this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...=feeds-newsxml
Apparently, Stoke are interested in buying Richard off Villa.
With the way things are going this current campaign looks like a write off so is there any real point in using Dunne anymore? Or anyone else who won't be around for Euro 2016.
Why is Trap even here anymore managing a transitioning team that'll have to transition again in 2 years under a new manager.
With Shay and Duff gone, I think we need all the leadership and experience we can get. I would have doubts about Dunne's continuing fitness though. Players like Whelan, Andrews and McGeady (yes, he's one of our most senior players now) are really going to have to step up.
Congratulations on being the first person to write off a qualifying campaign before it's even started. It may not end well but give the team a chance at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfinator
We'd have struggled at our best, without our best players why would we even be competitive?Quote:
Originally Posted by EastTerracer
If it forces us to alter our style of play, then yes it could be beneficial. One of the mainstays of recent campaigns has been our reliance on our wingers to allow us to hold onto possession. With Duff gone, we only have McGeady because McClean, bless him, is not the man you want if you're trying to hang onto the ball. If that forces our midfielders to take more responsibility for the ball, we might find ourselves actually playing a bit of football for once.
This would make sense if we had a new manager. This won't happen under Trap, it hasn't happened under any team Trap has ever had. If McClean can't be duff then he'll play Fahey or Coleman and we can revel in having a poor mans Duff for 2 years in the same system while we slug it out with Austria for 3rd. He won't change jack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
You've just said it right there we've lost literally the one and only player we had who was able to retain possession and that is and and continues to be our gigantic problem, there is no fixing that without dramatic system changes. Those won't happen, we'll play a broken system and hit lows we haven't seen in the Trap era.
Trap did change things for the Serbia game and we looked better as a result, despite McClean's inability to keep the ball at his feet. And I didn't say Duff was the only one who can hang onto the ball - McGeady does too, and Robbie. McCarthy and Gibson are more than capable too.
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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
As I said on another thread about potential Irish transfers, I would not put to much belief in anything reported
in the Daily Mail, it seems the Daily Mail is the only major 'newspaper' reporting the story so It may be true
only in the imagination of the reporter.
Yeah, Trap is not only going to Villa to see Duff, he's watching a match too!
http://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/3942/...-international
err, Dunne, yeah?Quote:
Originally Posted by AlaskaFox
Unlike the other Daily Mail Irish "rumours" that are carried this week the Dunne to Stoke one is something mentioned from a lot of sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Good news - big Richie is going to continue his international career
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/inter...-with-ireland/
If the Duff situation is anything to go by, this means he's definitely going to retire.
Of course. Doh!Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Though, he didn't emphatically rule out retirement in the new year .