Limerick Division 1A 2013/14

Don't Panic - I don't think anyone suggested that the committee members are only looking after their own patches and don't get credit. It clearly says that there are very hard working people involved with the clubs. In reality, you would expect current committees to only look after their own little patch. My point is that various people on either side will not want amalgamation because it will affect them in some way, it will upset their patch, it will mean they lose some control, or maybe get extra control, but ultimately people don't want the hassle of change, whether it is or is not the right thing to do.
The current set-up is broken, amalgamation is the only way to fix it.

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Originally Posted by Football-Unites

Don't Panic - I don't think anyone suggested that the committee members are only looking after their own patches and don't get credit. It clearly says that there are very hard working people involved with the clubs. In reality, you would expect current committees to only look after their own little patch. My point is that various people on either side will not want amalgamation because it will affect them in some way, it will upset their patch, it will mean they lose some control, or maybe get extra control, but ultimately people don't want the hassle of change, whether it is or is not the right thing to do.
The current set-up is broken, amalgamation is the only way to fix it.

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I think the only way this would happen if somebody (knowledgeable) about football, would sit at the top, this person could have no main allegiance to any club, with the committee made up of existing member from each club. Then the dream can start becoming a reality

Lads, Any interest in moving this to a different Thread ? There doesn't seem to be much interest in this at the moment. Over the past while various people have commented on it, but there doesn't seem to be any traction, or progress at all.

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Originally Posted by Football-Unites

Lads, Any interest in moving this to a different Thread ? There doesn't seem to be much interest in this at the moment. Over the past while various people have commented on it, but there doesn't seem to be any traction, or progress at all.

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Yeah do, might speed it up :D

Do you actually think that the committes of either club takes notice of 3 r 4 anonymous people = Delusion

Yeah I will do Shuffleruns and it will all be sorted in no time :cool::D

Don't Panic - Love your positivity about the whole thing, you must be in favour of it. I'm not for one second suggesting that the people on this forum can or would incite change at committee levels of the clubs, but as I did say, there have been probably 9 or 10 people (maybe more) that have voiced opinions about it on this forum, so I just thought it may be worthwhile giving this it's own thread. Wasn't Gerry Kelly on here saying he was very much in favour of amalgamation, I'd say he might have some connections at committee level in one of the clubs - but that's just a guess :eek: Would love to know your thoughts about what should be done, and how it could be done - what would be the first step etc etc

Personally, I wouldn't be in favour of it. I think its great to have local rivalry and still lament the demise of Newtown. Spoke wit a very prominent member of town a while back and although he himself is in favour of it, he admitted that as long as the name is on the agenda it would never happen. I can't help but admire the fact that town are holding on to their history and not throwing 45 years away

How is amalgamation throwing away 45 years of history ? Just because 2 clubs amalgamate, it doesn't mean they lose their history - doesn't even come close to it. History cannot be change, or be thrown away, it will always be there. A silly statement and typical of the people that don't want progress.
There's nothing better than local rivalry, just a pity it's at a really crap level, with both clubs having positive things going for them, but neither having anything close to the full package.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results


It didn't work the first time and if it is done the same way it wont work again.

I agree something needs to be done and ya maybe an amalgamation is the way forward but it has to be done right rather than pick a name, pick a colour, pick a pitch, pick a manager sorted!!!

This comes up every year at this time after clubs have had mediocre or bad seasons...its knee jerk and it will take more than the summer months to iron out what needs to be done.

I have said it before Shannon is plenty big enough to have two clubs, there is no motivation from "kids" to keep playing football...hit 17/18 find beer/women/(insert other vice here) and lose interest. That needs to addressed, Football should be an outlet not a chore.

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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results


It didn't work the first time and if it is done the same way it wont work again.

I agree something needs to be done and ya maybe an amalgamation is the way forward but it has to be done right rather than pick a name, pick a colour, pick a pitch, pick a manager sorted!!!

This comes up every year at this time after clubs have had mediocre or bad seasons...its knee jerk and it will take more than the summer months to iron out what needs to be done.

I have said it before Shannon is plenty big enough to have two clubs, there is no motivation from "kids" to keep playing football...hit 17/18 find beer/women/(insert other vice here) and lose interest. That needs to addressed, Football should be an outlet not a chore.

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lev
Shannon Olympic wont be impressed to be forgotten about being a Shannon club :D

if you take into account b teams you had 6 teams in Shannon up until hibs scrapped b team and rineanna rovers probally have 10-11 Shannon lads in their current squad personally I think it is to many junior teams and what is a bigger worry is none of the Shannon teams have a youth team at the moment

Shannon town have a 17s team isn't that the equivalent of youths now.. saying that they seem to be struggling too

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Originally Posted by Second

Shannon town have a 17s team isn't that the equivalent of youths now.. saying that they seem to be struggling too

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Lost there better players to Newmarket I believe mid season

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Lost there better players to Newmarket I believe mid season

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If there was one decent club in shannon players wouldnt leave so easily..

I don't think the reason psople are talking about this is because either team has had mediocre (to put it mildly) seasons, maybe it is, but that's not why I think it's the right thing to do. As I said, both clubs have plenty of positive things going for them, but both clubs are miles off having anything near the full package. In this day and age, it's hard for each club do do everything, have great facilities, clubhouse, training areas etc etc, but combined Town and Hibs would have a foundation that together could be forged into something significant.

No way is it as simple as pick manager, pick colours, pick name - of course it's way more complicated than that, but most of those are relatively small things in the greater scheme of things.

Even something as simple as having the best coaches train the underage teams, that alone is a good benefit, but there are so many more positives.

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I don't think the reason psople are talking about this is because either team has had mediocre (to put it mildly) seasons, maybe it is, but that's not why I think it's the right thing to do. As I said, both clubs have plenty of positive things going for them, but both clubs are miles off having anything near the full package. In this day and age, it's hard for each club do do everything, have great facilities, clubhouse, training areas etc etc, but combined Town and Hibs would have a foundation that together could be forged into something significant.

No way is it as simple as pick manager, pick colours, pick name - of course it's way more complicated than that, but most of those are relatively small things in the greater scheme of things.

Even something as simple as having the best coaches train the underage teams, that alone is a good benefit, but there are so many more positives.

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Sorry I probably didn't come across right. I meant that there is much more to an amalgamation that what I mentioned.

In theory it would probably be a good thing for football in the town but in theory a lot of things work...Communism and democracy for instance :)

The joining of Park and Newtown should have worked, you had the basis of two good clubs there but the fact that people are now calling for another amalgamation means something did go wrong. Which is the reason I would be a bit sceptical of doing it again.
I'm not dead against it I just think it needs to be done right with people who have the good of football in Shannon as their best interest.
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Have thought about this topic a lot over last week and am now of the opinion that the 2 clubs should sit down and try and find some common ground. My only concern is that after the last amalgamation a lot of good people lost to local soccer

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Originally Posted by don't panic

Have thought about this topic a lot over last week and am now of the opinion that the 2 clubs should sit down and try and find some common ground. My only concern is that after the last amalgamation a lot of good people lost to local soccer

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Don't panic the line of a lot of good people lost to local soccer is wearing thin now... some of these people were behind amalgamation and walked away from it when it started or more recently
As i have said before why did these people walk ? and nothing to stop them getting involved with other shannon teams ? bit over the top to blame amalgamation for driving people out of junior soccer :mad:

check your local history on how the shannon clubs were formed ? Park people broke away from shannon town / newtown also broke away from town and Olympic broke away from Newtown why did these people not walk away fromlocal soccer at the time ?

Any amalgamation in Shannon would need to include all three clubs not just Town and Hibs. The reason the first amalgamation hasn't been great is because it only reduced the number of clubs in the Town from 4 to 3 and then as someone else pointed out you have a lot of Shannon Football people involved in Rineanna. Football has been on the slide on this Town for a lot of years now and one amalgamation between 2 of the 4 clubs wasn't goint to sort it.
Football has to compete with GAA and Rugby and then it has to compete with another two clubs in the Town at least the other sports dont have to compete within their own codes.

If 3 clubs amalgamate.would they intend to have A, B, C teams?? If not where would all the rest of the players go.Could be a lot of lads out there playing no football at all then which imo would be a total disaster.

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If 3 clubs amalgamate.would they intend to have A, B, C teams?? If not where would all the rest of the players go.Could be a lot of lads out there playing no football at all then which imo would be a total disaster.

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Yeah you'd have to have a b c even d team if the numbers were there

No, just A an B Team at Junior level and if you can get a squad of players to play as a C Team that will contribute to the club instead of just being a drain on resources then so be it. You would ideally have A and B Team at every level including Schoolyboys and Youths.

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Originally Posted by faceoff

If 3 clubs amalgamate.would they intend to have A, B, C teams?? If not where would all the rest of the players go.Could be a lot of lads out there playing no football at all then which imo would be a total disaster.

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surely that would have to be decided by the single clubs committee once joined, but I would expect it to be a topic of conversation alright

the most important thing would be to have the players on the lower teams pushing themselves to play higher

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surely that would have to be decided by the single clubs committee once joined, but I would expect it to be a topic of conversation alright

the most important thing would be to have the players on the lower teams pushing themselves to play higher

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Players that are playing B and C team football have no interest in pushing themselves to a higher level that's half the problem, majority just want to go down and have a kick about with the lads and not train too hard. Plenty of players have the ability to play A team football just don't actually want to as you have to train that bit harder and give that bit more commitment. You see alot more teenagers going from youths to B teams instead of A teams because alot of lads just don't have the interest anymore

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Players that are playing B and C team football have no interest in pushing themselves to a higher level that's half the problem, majority just want to go down and have a kick about with the lads and not train too hard. Plenty of players have the ability to play A team football just don't actually want to as you have to train that bit harder and give that bit more commitment. You see alot more teenagers going from youths to B teams instead of A teams because alot of lads just don't have the interest anymore

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hibs7772 think your being very harsh on a lot of b team players some of them more than capable of playing A Team football and sometimes it is down to A team managers not asking them or giving them a chance to prove themselves many of decent players around Shannon started at b team level , but also think you are spot on with some players having no interest in pushing onto a higher level and look at Shannon at the moment with players dropping to 3rd division in clare to play football

To be successful, you have to have commitment and work ethic as a minimum base, unfortunately most lads don't really want to put in the commitment or effort, so ultimately don't ever get success, or push themselves to play for the A team,or better, they like the idea of it, but don't want to work for it.
Whether you have an a,b,c team depends on the numbers, if you have enough players, then I would say why not, if you don't have enough, then I would sy why ? Maybe I think things are more straight forward than they actually are. Things don't have to be, but more often than not they are made complicated by people.

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Players that are playing B and C team football have no interest in pushing themselves to a higher level that's half the problem, majority just want to go down and have a kick about with the lads and not train too hard. Plenty of players have the ability to play A team football just don't actually want to as you have to train that bit harder and give that bit more commitment. You see alot more teenagers going from youths to B teams instead of A teams because alot of lads just don't have the interest anymore

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hibs7772 think your being very harsh on a lot of b team players some of them more than capable of playing A Team football and sometimes it is down to A team managers not asking them or giving them a chance to prove themselves many of decent players around Shannon started at b team level , but also think you are spot on with some players having no interest in pushing onto a higher level and look at Shannon at the moment with players dropping to 3rd division in clare to play football

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I said plenty of players from B teams would be able play A team football just don't have the interest

Donal magee, new shannon town manager. Great to see Donal coaching in shannon

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Originally Posted by don't panic

Donal magee, new shannon town manager. Great to see Donal coaching in shannon

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Delighted to have him onboard.

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Donal magee, new shannon town manager. Great to see Donal coaching in shannon

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he was already coaching the town girls in shannon ?? has job been confirmed as A Team manager ?? as i have heard it is not definate yet and james carraig still being mentioned as new manager ?

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he was already coaching the town girls in shannon ?? has job been confirmed as A Team manager ?? as i have heard it is not definate yet and james carraig still being mentioned as new manager ?

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Well the AGM was on Wednesday and I heard it was definite after that anyway...

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Originally Posted by Lev Yashin

Well the AGM was on Wednesday and I heard it was definite after that anyway...

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was that the Shannon Town AGM or the 'New super club AGM' :-)

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Originally Posted by Lev Yashin

Well the AGM was on Wednesday and I heard it was definite after that anyway...

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I heard today he was going from lifford to newmarket