Trapattoni - who would you replace him with?

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Originally Posted by brine3

You know nothing about Adriaanse.

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what exactly do you know about him?

Will the the FAI take the obvious route and appoint popular (manager in waiting) MON or wait and see?

I kinda expect them to anoint MON soon as possible. If the FAI decided to prolong the process with a managerial search and interview committee, then that's saying we're not satisfied with MON as it stands now and we might get somebody better.
If after 4 months, how is it going to look if the FAI have to go back to MON, cap in hand?
The obvious criticism would be, why didn't they do it in the first instance so MON could get involved as early as as possible.
And even if an alternate to MON appointment was made, like some narky Dutchman, the shadow of not appointing MON would be looming large, especially if the new appointee left after a year, in a huff.

They're taking their time even now.

If I was them would have appointed MO'N on an annual rolling contract, results-related to run till say next August, with some back-ups in mind if it doesn't mutually work out.

By waiting, they'd also risk losing Mon when the next batch of premiership vacancies emerge in next few weeks. Ok, so Sunderland has already been done but I'm sure others will be on the table in next few weeks . It might be too early to tell whose job might be next on the block but the next few weeks will give a clearer picture.

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Originally Posted by geysir

Will the the FAI take the obvious route and appoint popular (manager in waiting) MON or wait and see?

I kinda expect them to anoint MON soon as possible. If the FAI decided to prolong the process with a managerial search and interview committee, then that's saying we're not satisfied with MON as it stands now and we might get somebody better.
If after 4 months, how is it going to look if the FAI have to go back to MON, cap in hand?
The obvious criticism would be, why didn't they do it in the first instance so MON could get involved as early as as possible.
And even if an alternate to MON appointment was made, like some narky Dutchman, the shadow of not appointing MON would be looming large, especially if the new appointee left after a year, in a huff.

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Are you saying you are ignoring what was written in the articles today about Delaney sending out feelers about O'neill and how he was perceived amongst his peers minus Robertson?

I'd like to think you are right.

The training etc, isn't that big a part of international football, there is only so much you can do anyway. What we need is a master tactician and motivator and someone who can adapt the team when needs be. For that reason I like the idea of Martin O'Neill, but then again I'm unsure who else is really available.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Are you saying you are ignoring what was written in the articles today about Delaney sending out feelers about O'neill and how he was perceived amongst his peers minus Robertson?

I'd like to think you are right.

The training etc, isn't that big a part of international football, there is only so much you can do anyway. What we need is a master tactician and motivator and someone who can adapt the team when needs be. For that reason I like the idea of Martin O'Neill, but then again I'm unsure who else is really available.

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I didn't read any articles today, and yes I see the Indo one cast the most doubts about MON getting the nod.
Unlike you, I don't care that much about being right, I'm constantly making guesses :)
I see the Indo article states that King is being considered as interim. We have 2 competitive u21 games next month, why fxck around with their preparation?
That doesn't make sense to me, so it could cast doubts on the veracity of the Indo article.
MON is a top candidate no doubt.

They're probably right to consider applications and consider all candidates but a lot of this should have been done already. It's not as if Trap's departure is any great surprise. Maybe the board was unanimous about O'Neill but O'Neill is keeping his options open. The FAI are saving credibility by putting out a holding message like that in the Indo.

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Originally Posted by Yard of Pace

I'd like MON, I have to say. If you can have a listen to his speech that he gave in the Aras a few years ago on what it is to be Irish.....it was organized by the McAleese's. It was spine-tingling stuff.

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The full audio recording of that speech is on YouTube. This is the first of the four parts on there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsKFaSbdCEY

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

By waiting, they'd also risk losing Mon when the next batch of premiership vacancies emerge in next few weeks. Ok, so Sunderland has already been done but I'm sure others will be on the table in next few weeks . It might be too early to tell whose job might be next on the block but the next few weeks will give a clearer picture.

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I'm not sure, it's only around 8 weeks until the WC playoffs are over, will any premier league managers get the boot in that time? Looking at last year Di Matteo and Hughes went just after that, the season before Bruce went a week after that (30th Nov 2011), and the year before that (2010-11) the first managerial change wasn't until December (when Hughton left Newcastle) - unless you count MoN walking out at Villa in August 2010, but that was 5 days before the season started.

It would be very early for a manager to get the boot before the playoffs, even before the turn of the year is pretty rare in recent times. There is only Di Matteo (trigger happy owner), Hughes (a year doing badly at QPR, when he was finally sacked it looked like they could finish with the lowest points tally in the PL), Hughton (again bizzare owner) and now Di Canio (totally fruitcake of a manager) where this has occured. Who do you see as likely to get the sack? Sunderland have already done it, the three relegated teams all have managers with a degree of credit in the bank as Holloway, Bruce and Mackay have all acheived unexpected promotions (except maybe the latter) and all are perhaps planning for a struggle anyway. Who else could get dragged into it in the next few weeks? Norwich, West Ham, West Brom (again managers with a degree of credit), Fulham, Villa, Newcastle (these three might be more likely to sack their managers as they haven over achieved last season) but again it would be very early for them to do it. And if they were to sack the manager could he then not be a strong candidate for our job? I wouldn't mind considering any of Hughton, Steve Clarke, Lambert or even Pardew, I would be a bit dubious over Jol and wouldnt really want Allerdyce (who would leave us as soon as the Barca or Madrid job came up :) ) but all of these mangers have done at least as well as MoN in the last few years and do any of them play drastically less attractive football?

Bert/Bart Van Marwijk has been confirmed as the new HSV manager. I seen him mentioned a few pages back as a possibility...

I think Jol, Hughton and Holloway are all vulnerable to a few more weeks of bad results. There seems to be a trend of firing earlier rather than later these days. I don't think he'd go near Palace but the other two have merits. Newcastle would be Sunderland part 2, a crazy club with a director of football model that O'Neill would have no time for.

I reckon if O'Neill isn't appointed before Germany it'll be someone else.

Edit: I should have added Moyes above :)

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

what exactly do you know about him?

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I could say which countries I've lived in and which countries' football I've followed, but this thread is already too much a of a pißing contest.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I think Jol, Hughton and Holloway are all vulnerable to a few more weeks of bad results. There seems to be a trend of firing earlier rather than later these days. I don't think he'd go near Palace but the other two have merits. Newcastle would be Sunderland part 2, a crazy club with a director of football model that O'Neill would have no time for.

I reckon if O'Neill isn't appointed before Germany it'll be someone else.

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Seriously?
The FAI may not be in a position to rush their 'preferred' choice. Though if Hughton became available...

Also, the question of Noel King?
http://thescore.thejournal.ie/poll-w...facebook_short

Hughton is a good manager. I also like the idea of a second-generation Irish manager born in England, seeing as our players ply their trade in England. It creates a nice link. But having listened to the MON Youtube link, he also identifies very well with the overseas Irish. Nice to hear. Just wasn't impressed with his stints at Villa and Sunderland.

Except MO'N got Villa in the top 6, 3 years in a row...
Sunderland, a basket case of a club, clearly was less successful.

If MON does not want to be rushed into a decision, then he doesn't wan't the job enough.
Then the FAI move on, down that well trodden trail.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I think Jol, Hughton and Holloway are all vulnerable to a few more weeks of bad results. There seems to be a trend of firing earlier rather than later these days. I don't think he'd go near Palace but the other two have merits. Newcastle would be Sunderland part 2, a crazy club with a director of football model that O'Neill would have no time for.

I reckon if O'Neill isn't appointed before Germany it'll be someone else.

Edit: I should have added Moyes above :)

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All things being equal I would probably go for Hughton over MON, I think his spells at Newcastle, Birmingham and Norwich have been a bit better than MON's at Villa and Sunderland. Both have managed a few of our squad at their clubs, but hasn't Hughton been involved in our youth setup a while ago? I wouldn't be too overjoyed with I'll but he does have a degree of success at club level.

If Moyes does go soon I reckon Fergie would go back.

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Originally Posted by brine3

I could say which countries I've lived in and which countries' football I've followed, but this thread is already too much a of a pißing contest.

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So just reveal what you know that isn't available online

I'll is Jol in that post, thanks to predictive text, for some reason I can't edit it.

Noel King has been announced as interim manager, according to Off The Ball just now

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confirmed by the FAI: https://twitter.com/FAIreland/status...43299106779136

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Noel King has been appointed as caretaker manager of the Irish senior men's team. Full story available on http://www.fai.ie shortly

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Who looks after the u21's then?

At least it isn't Don...

Super appointment on the temporary in my opinion. Bleeds Irish football and will put absolutely everything into it and not just there for a hefty paycheck.

Maybe Noel King should play the whole or most of the under 21's team anyway, sure they can't do much worse. New Captain for Ireland after the next 2 games!!!!

Could this in any way be an audition lads?
And give the U21s to Ruud Dokter already.

So I've been browsing this thread for a couple of minutes and have so far seen Martin O'Neill described as a master tactician and encountered the suggestion that a manager with a British-Irish cultural identity would be best equipped to do the job. You lot deserve everything you get (including Noel King).

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

the suggestion that a manager with a British-Irish cultural identity would be best equipped to do the job.

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Except nobody said that.

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

So I've been browsing this thread for a couple of minutes and have so far seen Martin O'Neill described as a master tactician and encountered the suggestion that a manager with a British-Irish cultural identity would be best equipped to do the job. You lot deserve everything you get (including Noel King).

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Huh?

Anyway a brief synopsis of NK.
http://thescore.thejournal.ie/noel-k...facebook_short

I like when people who had many posts before (basically) retiring from the board come back after retirement to lament how smart they are and how bad the board is.
But if you actually have time at the office to look, as I do now; ole Sherry had some whacky posts.

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Originally Posted by brine3

Except nobody said that.

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I said something similar, an Irish manager based in Britain. I clearly stated the thinking behind it too. I'd be keen to know why Sheridan thinks its worth sneering at. I think brine3 said it too, explaining why.

There wasn't even a hint of praise from anyone about MON's tactical savvy though. Lots about his organisation and motivation though. I think Sheridan was imagining things.

There are a lot of narky people around here these days.

The King is, eh, kind of sacked. Long live Noel King.

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Originally Posted by Darklordsbane

Maybe Noel King should play the whole or most of the under 21's team anyway, sure they can't do much worse. New Captain for Ireland after the next 2 games!!!!

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They lost 4-0 at home to Germany's u21s. Imagine how they'd do against the senior side!

Anyway, Liam Mackey hinting in 2 directions here

http://examiner.ie/sport/soccer/fai-...ss-244084.html

Says MON is interested but also may be holding out for a return to Norwich, or Jol's job.

And Indo being very clear about Norwich

http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-29604340.html

Hmm, there now seems to be a lot of dithering from the FAI. As someone said on Facebook, is it to save 6 months or so salary?

In which case MO'N probably won't be available. Conversely, Hughton, McDermott et al may well be...

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

So I've been browsing this thread for a couple of minutes and have so far seen Martin O'Neill described as a master tactician and encountered the suggestion that a manager with a British-Irish cultural identity would be best equipped to do the job. You lot deserve everything you get (including Noel King).

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Throw your hat in the ring John, it's a step up from Plymouth :)

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Hmm, there now seems to be a lot of dithering from the FAI. As someone said on Facebook, is it to save 6 months or so salary?

In which case MO'N probably won't be available. Conversely, Hughton, McDermott et al may well be...

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Do you not think that the FAI are being made to wait, in which case they are right to run a plan B? Reading the indo and examiner it would aoowar the FAI have been told maybe, but hang on.

Who's making them wait? MO'N? Or a convenient excuse for the FAI...
They are being slated elsewhere and do generally think of them as clowns quite often. So if they feck this up, no great surprise.

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Originally Posted by geysir

I didn't read any articles today, and yes I see the Indo one cast the most doubts about MON getting the nod.
Unlike you, I don't care that much about being right, I'm constantly making guesses :)
I see the Indo article states that King is being considered as interim. We have 2 competitive u21 games next month, why fxck around with their preparation?
That doesn't make sense to me, so it could cast doubts on the veracity of the Indo article.
MON is a top candidate no doubt.

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You love being right. I actually love being wrong when it comes to the Irish national team, unfortunately for me, you and everyone else it doesn't happen often though :( :P I rather be proactive in getting things fixed/changed, most people are happy enough to let things go on as are, oblivious to the inevitable outcome, and another campaign (and 2 years of my life and footballers lives)wasted. It just how I think in general.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

You love being right. I actually love being wrong when it comes to the Irish national team, unfortunately for me, you and everyone else it doesn't happen often though :( :P I rather be proactive in getting things fixed/changed, most people are happy enough to let things go on as are, oblivious to the inevitable outcome, and another campaign (and 2 years of my life and footballers lives)wasted. It just how I think in general.

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Yes Paul, you actually are a progressive beacon of light, toiling away, while the rest of us morons are happy with status quo mediocrity, locked inside the dark dungeons of ignorance.
I don't envy your honourable and brave task:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Who's making them wait? MO'N? Or a convenient excuse for the FAI...
They are being slated elsewhere and do generally think of them as clowns quite often. So if they feck this up, no great surprise.

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Who knows why MON is not being appointed immediately? Certainly not the morons who are queueing up to sling mud at the FAI and Noel King. There are idiots everywhere ready to slate the FAI no matter what they decide.

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Originally Posted by geysir

Yes Paul, you actually are a progressive beacon of light, toiling away, while the rest of us morons are happy with status quo mediocrity, locked inside the dark dungeons of ignorance.
I don't envy your honourable and brave task:rolleyes:

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Its not that dark, you have seen a beacon of light ;)

Ya I don't think they can do right either way. There must be more to the Martin O'neill thing, I think stutts was right.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Its not that dark, you have seen a beacon of light ;)

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unfortunately it was train heading straight for us