I'd say a few of us in here are the same. I'm happy enough because I've always like Everton and Hull, and Stoke have turned into a fairly likeable side.Quote:
Originally Posted by gastric
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I'd say a few of us in here are the same. I'm happy enough because I've always like Everton and Hull, and Stoke have turned into a fairly likeable side.Quote:
Originally Posted by gastric
No, and particularly not when he is being paid to do so by an English TV channel!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
You can support more than one team internationally.
seems quite excited about longs goal against england in this commentary piece...Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkiMhAnZD4A
Its not partisan or rash. Its bleeding obvious! I'm not looking through green tinted glasses, I'm not living in a bunker either. I'm reading his tweets and the fact he refused a senior call up. I would suggest you are being irrational by still thinking he is ours to lose or the situation isn't clear cut.Quote:
It's not that posters ignored or failed to comprehend his tweets; everyone is aware of the possibility of him switching, but some would rather acknowledge the present ambiguity of the situation rather than jumping to rash and partisan conclusions. He hasn't switched to England, nor is there any certainty that he will.
He could still well play for Ireland, there are few certainties in life, but by all accounts and likelihood he will play for England and that is based purely on his outpourings and current actions.
I don't even know what the point is in saying it anymore because you'll just ignore what I'm saying again. He stated that he supported England senior team on Twitter even though he plays (underage) for Ireland. He has since gone on to turn down a call up to the senior team. Yes he's a dual national. I'm more than aware of this. It gives him the chance of playing for England or Ireland as a fall back option. His loyalties are to himself. He is a professional footballer. And I'm not judging him. This is what modern footballers are like. Face it. I'm simply being realistic here. Life changing is a bit melodramatic tbh and it undermines genuine life changing decisions. He is a professional footballer at the end of the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Yes. If he is good enough to play for England, he could play in every tournament which will factor in his decision. It also may get him the Brylcreem deal he won't get if he's playing for Ireland. It could also be because he is an England supporter. Now we're on to something. You're actually agreeing with what I said in the past - there is no sentiment in his decision. You mention Kevin Kilbane. He himself said that by the time someone is in the U-21 team, there shouldn't be any indecision about what country he wants to play for.
I think it's a sad thing that footballers can't just play for their country. I think it's a sad thing that someone turns down a call up to our national team when he hasn't so much as got an U-21 call up for England.
Funny how people didn't agree when I said a few months ago that it would be cynical of the FAI to call up Grealish but now the goalposts have changed. :rolleyes:
I'm not thrilled about them but I'm under no illusions as to why they are playing for Ireland. I suppose it may be hard on me to judge Grealish for actually being potentially good enough to play for England but if he wants to play for England long-term I don't think he should be taking squad places from someone (English or Irish) who actually wants to play for Ireland or sees their long-term future with Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I don't see how it changes his life. If he is good enough he will play for England imo. If he isn't, he'll play for Ireland. If he gets tied for Ireland, turns out to be the next Ronaldinho and leads a fulfilled Intl. career I don't see how he should live with any regrets for his decision to play for us. Likewise if he plays for England and only gets 5 caps, I don't think he should regret that. He should be happy to play for his country. It shouldn't come down to anything other than that.
Did he though? I thought he stated that the reason he turned down England was because he was playing with a higher age group with Ireland and wanted to play at the most competitive level.
Well it's hard to see what the positives are. The fear is that a very talented player has turned down a senior call up and if he goes on to get full honors for England (I doubt he will) it will mean nothing to us. If he ends up playing for Ireland it could realistically take anywhere between two and four years.
Do you all not think you're overthinking things?
Annoying, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
I do agree with this though.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
on that note, he retweeted his birthday wishes from the FAI - https://twitter.com/JackGrealish1Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
But he didn't reply to them?? What does it all mean??
He shares an agent with Yaya Toure?
The 'Grealish to Man City' rumours start here.
Jack Grealish @JackGrealish1 12m
Congrats to gabby on his new contract https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v1/72x72/1f44f.pnghttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v1/72x72/1f44f.pnghttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v1/72x72/1f604.png
Disgraceful behaviour considering he's on his way to Chelsea.
Video is not available in your country!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
Seems like you can only view it from Ireland?
He has explicitly stated we're in his long-term plans and he remains an FAI-registered player. Personally (or selfishly-speaking), I thought calling him up was worth a shot (a sly one, sure) in order to dispel the sort of discussion we're presently having (and to get him tied), but that he didn't want to rush into accepting an admittedly cynical call-up isn't necessarily a sign that he's going to switch to England, nor is it a sign that he's intent on doing so if given the chance. He'd rather not rush into what is a life-... nay, career-changing decision and would possibly prefer to have a greater think about the matter before fully committing. That's OK; he's a dual national with split loyalties and it's a big decision for him. It's not that I'm naive to the possibility of him switching either; I'd just rather not automatically suspect that an 18-year-old is deceiving me just because he might have cold feet.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Not quite. I've said that many factors are sure to colour a decision and just because he might include career-oriented considerations in his decision-making process, it doesn't mean that he's a full-blown mercenary who holds no sentiment for Ireland and his Irish heritage.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Can't get it either. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Was Townsend actually sobbing in studio after we were eliminated in 2002, by the way? Is there a video of that anywhere?
There is an article in the Mirror about him wanting an English call, although no direct quotes from him.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villas-jack-grealish-chasing-4196817
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...hasing-4196817Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
Seems to be all speculation, although hard to know what's been said off-record. I like this line:
O'Neill basically said as much last week. Hardly a scoop.Quote:
MirrorSport understands he politely declined a chance to train with Martin O’Neill’s full Irish squad during this international break.
Front page of tomorrow's Star, Grealish apparently accused Stephen Quinn of calling him a 'fake Paddy' during the Hull game.
In this article, Darren Potter comments on the England result and does not mention Ireland at all! Another bloody Englishman showing no loyalty to the cause.
http://www.mkweb.co.uk/8203-MK-Dons-...ail/story.html
Even by the standards of footballers' columns, that is spectacularly dry.
Mention here of Quinn's comments to Grealish, the ginger b#st#rd! How could he? This is quite a balanced article on where he stands presently, if anything, it makes me hopeful he will make the right decision. I do hope Roy's role at Villa will be a positive in him picking Ireland.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-30578518.html
Quinn called him a fake paddy? That's a bit rich coming from a guy who has carefully crafted this look:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Green-Leprec.../dp/B002BAU7Q4
😇😄👍Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I don't think Quinny will be giving Jacko any wishes!
Seriously, pathetic to start making such a big thing about being called a fake paddy.
I'm sure lots us have been called that in our time.
I did say that Grealish wants to play for England,so I don't want him playing for us, if Woy overlooks him.
England's player pool is diminishing in quality anyhow.
I want players 100% committed to Ireland, it's an honour to wear the Green shirt.
Imagine how good it feels to walk out and see a sea of green shirts in the crowd?
Truly wonderful to see and be a part of.
As for Grealo
Lots of young player burst onto the professional stage, have a good season and fade away.
Grealish looks promising, but nothing more than that, top defenders will soon work him out.
If he's as good as people are claiming, then he will be able to deal with that.
Let's see how he does after his first season as the second season is much harder and many have fallen by the wayside after that.
I thought cd was taking the ****!!! Quinn obviously doesn't want him taking his place!
Gastric what do you mean by pick?he's ours to lose!
Doc thats a fair assessment and one I'd say he is thinking of hence he is waiting till nxt summer to decide.
Where did he say it was a big thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by the doc
The article said Grealish giggled as he described the incident, said it's only banter and it's no problem.
id say our players have to imagine that all the time. cant remember the last time the team were greeted by such a sight.Quote:
Originally Posted by the doc
the fans need to up their game!
He meant green seats.
Pedantic O' Shea!Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
i wouldn't read anything into Quinn's comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by gastric
Any Irish player, playing against Grealish would be well advised to kick lumps out of him, shouting 'take that you fake paddy cnt' as he lies writhing on the grass.
After the game - shake hands and wish him well with his club and intl career, whichever country he decides to play for.
Jack Grealish @JackGrealish1
The way things can get blown out of proportion in newspapers is a joke.. https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v1/72x72/1f648.png
Also he turned 19 yesterday. FAI said then would send him new shin pads.
i don't get what is there to think about, you either want to play for Ireland or England. Simple. He has played all the way up for Ireland so does he now suddenly want to change. If he does then ok but hes not 12. Just make your decision and stick by it.
I was being sarcastic! I will always remember Roy and McAteer, pure entertainment!Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I'm begining to dislike him a bit now. Effectively he is saying don't call me up for a year, that we must wait on him, he is a 19 year old that has done SFA really and he is calling the shots to O'Neill and Keane Ireland. What exactly will he have learnt in a year anyway? I think we know the answer to that. If the group is doing well and looking like qualifying I would be very upset as a player him coming in then when it suited him and England don't select him taking someone else's place.
What's to say next year after an average season he doesnt impress England or at club level will he want to hold off again in the hope he does better the following season.
He is 19 years old. I was making a decision to spend a year of my life almost in Boston at that age, he is certainly old enough to decide who he wants to play with.
In the Independent article, John Fallon says Grealish has already shunned England twice. It seems he turned down an offer to play for their under-17s as well as the offer to play for their under-19s that we already know about. Fallon also states,"if it's any consolation, defection to England during the interim is a non-runner too", but on what basis, I'm not sure. Why would it necessarily be a non-runner during the interim? Has Grealish assured him of that? Martin clearly never asked him to join our squad either, so there was no invite to turn down.
RTÉ claim his father, Kevin, is from Dublin: http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/inter...tional-future/Quote:
Originally Posted by John Fallon
That's not correct though, is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by RTÉ
It's easy for you to say it's "simple", but you're not a dual national? Why do you think it would be a simple decision for someone with split loyalties?Quote:
Originally Posted by Duggie
I've grown tired of reading over and over recently that he turned down an invite to the senior side, when there was no invite in the first place. Did some research myself, and there's no quotes from the player, or the manager, that there ever was an invite.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
If I was someone who's been using this as another stick to beat the lad, I wouldn't mention it again without providing some concrete evidence (ie direct quotes from the player or manager) that it did occur
Why not just take his words at face value?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
It won't be his decision to come in and take someone else's place.Quote:
If the group is doing well and looking like qualifying I would be very upset as a player him coming in then when it suited him and England don't select him taking someone else's place.
But that's you, Paul. Poor Jack Grealish obviously isn't as amazing as you. :pQuote:
He is 19 years old. I was making a decision to spend a year of my life almost in Boston at that age, he is certainly old enough to decide who he wants to play with.
Where is almost in Boston? Cape Cod? :)
If you had to stay there for the rest of your career would you have chosen to go there?
I still think everyone is overthinking things by phorensically examining his remarks beyond what we know.
We know he doesn't want to commit. We think he probably supports the English national team. We know many people support two countries. We know England go into tournaments with big fanfare whereas we don't. We know he plays for us now and that he does clearly identify with his Irish roots. We know he is happier with Ireland U21s than England U19s. We don't know if he would have chosen England U21s over our U21s if offered both at the same time. We know he is being asked questions by the media so he is answering them.
We don't know what factors are motivating his decisions. We're guessing. My own guess is that he'll declare for England at the start of the next U21 campaign, but equally I'm not convinced he's not just letting things calm down and he might well opt for Ireland.
The only thing this proves is that we're bored at work.
and was this decision going to affect greatly the rest of your career?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea