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With Trap we have midfielders like Whelan, Green, Andrews etc
with a manager who "managed" we could have a midfield with players like O'Hara, Noble, McCarthy, Ireland starting on a regular basis.....even Andy Reid who has abviously been seriously headfu*ked and his career has nose dived ever since.
Instead of McGeady, Whelan, Green, Duff it could read McGeady, Noble, Ireland, O'Hara/Coleman ...............and we would all be delighted........
Since we are on this issue I would like to know whatever happened with Jamie O'Hara, Mark Noble, Kyle Naughton, Gary O'Neil, Matt Connolly..........Anton Ferdinand etc? Do they not want to play for us, have they been pursued? Anyone in the know? I thought at one stage 2 or 3 were meant to be coming on board.
I wouldnt think that leaving out Duff would really have many fans "delighted"
In the England U21 team beaten by Italy today.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
Are we seriously blaming Trapattoni for Andy Reid's fitness problems now?Quote:
Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
Ya, he was only called in late due to many pull-outs. Micah Richards, Martin Kelly, Kieran Gibbs, Chris Smalling, James Tomkins & Phil Jones were all missing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sullivinho
O'Hara is really the only one i'd be bothered about. Noble's alright, but he's nothing special when it comes down to it.
If Jamie O'Hara really wanted to be playing for us, he would be by now.
Shane Ferguson in the NI under 21s today:
Northern Ireland U21 squad:
Goalkeepers
Conor Devlin Manchester United 23.09.91
Gareth Deane QPR 14.06.94
Defenders
Ryan McGivern Manchester City 08.01.90
Chris Hegarty Rangers 12.08.92
Daniel Devine Preston North End 07.09.92
Ryan Blake Brentford 08.12.91
Carl Winchester Oldham Athletic 2.04.93
Midfielders
Paddy McLaughlin Newcastle United 14.01.91
Shane Ferguson Newcastle United 12.07.91
Josh Carson Ipswich Town 03.06.93
Seanan Clucas Preston North End 08.11.92
James Lawrie AFC Telford 18.12.90
Matthew Lund Stoke City 21.11.90
Kirk Millar Oldham Athletic 07.07.92
Andrew Mitchell Rangers 06.04.92
James Gray Unattached
Forwards
William Grigg Walsall 03.07.91
Josh Magennis Aberdeen 15.08.90
Conor Devlin Manchester United 23.09.91
Gareth Deane QPR 14.06.94
Defenders
Ryan McGivern Manchester City 08.01.90
Chris Hegarty Rangers 12.08.92
Daniel Devine Preston North End 07.09.92
Midfielders
Paddy McLaughlin Newcastle United 14.01.91
Shane Ferguson Newcastle United 12.07.91
Seanan Clucas Preston North End 08.11.92
So thats 2 English guys who dont want to play for us...Trap should obviously beg them to play against their wishes.Quote:
Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
One Irish guy who doesnt want to play for us....Trap has asked, should he force him to play?
One young Scottish guy who does want to play for us, has played for us but is injured every time he is called up....Trap should do his best Padre Pio healing trick.
One Irish player who has struggled to be picked at Sunderland...Trap should decide he is the hub for our team.
finally you want to drop Duff and replace him with someone who doesnt want to play for us or someone who has just broken through, and you want to replace our midfielders with 2 players who don't want to play for us.
This explains why Trap is one of the worlds most succesful managers of all time and you are a novelty obsessed barstooler.
Great post!!Quote:
Originally Posted by cavan_fan
Barton's Irish link
http://www.herald.ie/sport/soccer/bo...k-2536132.htmlQuote:
PRESTON midfielder Adam Barton has emerged as a possible recruit for the Republic of Ireland.
The 20-year-old made his debut for Preston last season but he's made real progress this term and has managed 18 appearances for a struggling Preston side.
The club already have two current Irish internationals on the books with Sean St Ledger and Keith Treacy but Barton's Irish credentials have now been made known to the FAI and Ireland scout Mick Martin has been to see the midfielder play.
Jamie O'Harahttp://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...e-ohara-wolvesQuote:
Re England : This is something O'Hara himself is unlikely to do now and not just for reasons of mid-20s career-drift. Capped seven times by England at Under-21 level, he is also eligible to play for the Republic of Ireland. There have already been overtures from the country of his grandparents. "It's obviously quite hard to talk about that now," he says. "I've got Irish in me and they've asked me before. If I get the phone call about playing for my country I'll have to think about it again. I just want to play now."
Who is the my country in this case? Is it England in that if my country call ill have to think about declaring for ireland. or is my country, in this case ireland, i.e. if they call I would declare, they being Ireland.
He's got some Irish in him...hehe. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Also, from O'Hara's brother's Twitter, in response to a question about JO'H's international intentions.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/828ras
"@ManofMystery100 not to sure mate. Playing for either Ireland or England would be an honour for him as we have links to both. When and if the time comes he will make the right choice".
Think its pretty clear we're second choice although I reckon that there's more chance of seeing him in a green jersey than a white/red one. I would be happy to have him in the squad for the purpose of increasing midfield options but saying that I'm not overly bothered.
I think in fairness to O'Hara its like this.
With England there is strong potential to win major tournaments. Realistically with Ireland if we even made the semi's we'd be delighted.
He's tried very hard throughout this to maintain a neutrality towards both countries, saying he'd play for both (besides his twitters). England is simply the better option. He's done a far better job than the likes of Westwood did (good catholic). I say leave him make up his own mind, and if he comes to us, welcome him in the door.
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Originally Posted by rebelmusic
I dont think England are potential tournament winners in any way, other than briefly in their own minds pre each tournament, and their being repeatedly outperformed and sometimes well beaten by nations they feel they deem beneath them, and the inevitable tail between the legs early plane home, is a constant source of amusement to many, myself included. They qualify more often than we do, but thats all.
He hasnt maintained any neutrality, his twitter betrays his true feelings on it and insults us in the process, and the value of representing Ireland. He made his mind up years ago, if we called him up tomorrow and so did England, he wouldnt even have to consider it, there wouldnt be a decision to be made in his eyes.
If he did come our way, I would advocate booing his every touch untill he goes back to where he came from, England. That might make the rest of them get off the fence earlier in the years to come also, lets remove the Ireland as a back up career path for these people, that can only be a good thing.
I reckon it goes something like this with O'Hara. I'm eligible to play for both Ireland and Canada. Obviously I would love nothing more than to play for Ireland as I grew up watching the Jack Charlton teams and playing football in Ireland with all my friends as children. Now, were I good enough to play professional football for the likes of Spurs, I'd be hoping to get a call up for Ireland. If I didn't, I would probably wait it out as long as I possibly could before accepting a call up for Canada. Sorry, but Canada are not very good in comparison to Ireland and I don't consider myself a Canadian anyway. I think I'd wait until I was about thirty, and there was no chance at all of an Ireland call up. Then, and only then, would I consider turning out for my second choice, Canada. They'd be lucky to have a player the calibre of Tottenham Hotspur turn out for them.
So you see kids, we need to give O'Hara a break. He's been nothing but honest about wanting to play for England the entire time.
yep i agree.
The real question is whether we are desperate enough to indulge players with that attitude. Personally, i'd rather do without.
What was the significance of singling out those 8 players from the 18 listed immediately above?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Is the writer of that note on Barton not even capable of Googling?Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
For if he was, he would be aware that with Barton's Irish ancestry deriving from NI, the player was first invited to join the NI squad, but declined due to his England ambitions.
He then accepted a call-up for a subsequent friendly, making his senior NI debut (a draw with Morocco), on the basis that NW was prepared to let him get more acquainted without tying him down.
And most recently Barton declined a call-up to the Nations Cup game v Scotland, presumably because he still hankers after playing for England, and/or he didn't enjoy his previous NI experience.
Either way, there is absolutely no indication that he might even consider representing ROI...
Realistically, England's chances of winning a WC or Euro's are marginally greater than ROI's of reaching a semi etc on a "Bob Hope and No Hope" basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebelmusic
I'd say England offer a realistic chance of qualifying for major finals and making the 1/4's (but not much else). Whereas with their present group of players, ROI offer only an outside chance of qualifying and little else.
All of which is academic, since O'Hara has little or no chance of establishing himself in the England team and whilst Trap is in charge of ROI, he seems to have little chance of getting a call-up from them.
Meanwhile, I suspect Nigel would have him like a shot, and he'd certainly add to our team, but he's clearly not interested. I wonder would that change if by some (unlikely) chance we managed to qualify for Poland/Ukraine?
I think you underrate Spurs's standing and/or overrate the ROI's standing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
The fact is, in recent years, Spurs have only had one ROI international playing regularly in our team, Robbie Keane, and that was whilst he was at his peak, whilst also being ROI's best player (alongside Given and Duff).
But now that he's passed his peak, he's still one of ROI's best players, but Spurs have shipped him out to West Ham.
For your analogy to work better, you might substitute eg "Stoke", "Wolves" or "Wigan" for Spurs...
From what I have heard/seen of them they are the outstanding prospects from a generally, ordinary group.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
I would expect them to go on and make a good career for themselves.
Outstanding prospects? :bigsmile:
You hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Yes ifk101, they are like a farmer...
OK, I'll rephrase it: "Either way, there is absolutely no indication that Barton is even considering representing ROI..."Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
Happy now?
No, try again.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
At a guess, EG, you'd be old enough to remember (or not senile enough yet to forget ;) ) the 2002 World Cup. You'll remember that Ireland came very close to reaching the QFs, losing on penalties to Spain in the round-of-16. What you may not remember is the easy run to the final enjoyed by Germany having won Ireland's qualifying group, a group that Ireland could so easily have won themselves. It's not therefore the stretch you suggest to imagine Ireland repeating such a feat at some point in the near future.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
As for Barton, I agree completely. It's an embarrassment to think that the FAI may be chasing this player when there are several more directly-qualified candidates available. No thanks Adam and good luck with your international career. Even if it's with the Nordies. :D
:ball: PP
You're not wrong in what you say PP, however were it not for an injury time equaliser in game 2 we could easily have been on the plane home.....as ever its a fine line.
Isn't that the point he is making?Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
The best way to sort all this possible call ups out ,Trap the ever lazy old git should arrange a B game against Turkey or somebody and call up the like of Ambrose, Cox, O Hara, and Connolly, Barton etc , then call up the likes of Adam Rooney, Daly and Sammon
I guess - early morning, just focussed on the 'we could so easily have won the group' bit....Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
It's up to Mick Martin to find out about Barton's intentions re international football. That's part of Martin's job description.
He should do that job without prejudice. He should check out those who are eligible and if they are good enough, he can leave them with the choice of declaring for the FAI.
What if the wrong word had gone out that a promising player was only interested in representing England and nobody from the FAI bothered to find out for themselves the player's intentions? But i'm sure everybody here would be very understanding of the FAI's excuses in such an incident :rolleyes:
He is employed as a scout, not a genealogist.
Reading the bit in the Herald (not the most reliable of sources), it appears the FAI have been tipped off about Barton's eligibility. Sean St. Ledger (the doc) posts here a semi-regular basis so maybe he can provide some insight.
Lads does anyone know about this u17 lad Harry Kane. EG any irish in him?
Ive been told he does by a spurs mate, but Im not sure how accurate this info is. How do we email the FAI to let them know?
on loan at Leyton Orient
Are you trying to be smart?Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
MM was scouting eligible players. That's part of his job. It should not be left to some FAI suit to decide how committed a player might be, based on some media report.
If an eligible player has any serious intent he can pursue that interest.
Possibly Ciaran Clark did some interview sometime where he was asked how it felt to represent England and he replied that it was an honour, the highlight of his playing career. That doesn't mean the lad hasn't higher aspirations and should not be informed/reminded of his eligibility for the FAI.