Darron Gibson

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Jeez, if it was a competition to see who can most spectacularly miss the point often enough, you'd be 3rd in the Rankings, only behind Young Irish and Kingdom Kerry!

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I think you are just going to have to accept that not everyone is going to agree with you. Maybe the problem lies with you and not everyone else. Perhaps you need to present your points more clearly.

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Two or three years ago, ........ Which is why, if they were good enough to compete on the international stage then, they should be able to do so now.

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Times changes EG. You're only as good as your last game and all that. Perhaps NI was using the long ball alot more 2/3 years ago and, as such, by-passing the midfield's inadequacies?

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Whereas by his record to date, Gibson has yet to prove he can.

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It's difficult to break into a top ranking international side. ;) But to break into the NI side is another matter all together.

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Originally Posted by ifk101

It's difficult to break into a top ranking international side. ;) But to break into the NI side is another matter all together

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What's Darron Gibson got to do with a top-rank international side?

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Originally Posted by Gather round

What's Darron Gibson got to do with a top-rank international side?

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He plays with one;)

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Originally Posted by Gather round

What's Darron Gibson got to do with a top-rank international side?

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Nothing at the moment. As EG has already pointed out, he didn't start the last competitive game.

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Originally Posted by ifk101

I think you are just going to have to accept that not everyone is going to agree with you.

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I do accept it. If I wanted mere agreement, I'd debate such matters on other forums, where I might find more like-minded people.

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Originally Posted by ifk101

Maybe the problem lies with you and not everyone else.

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I don't feel I have a "problem" with anyone on this thread, even if I think there are two or three individuals who, variously from ignorance/woolly-mindedness/prejudice etc tend to talk nonsense. Indeed, if I didn't think members of this forum were on the whole a decent bunch, I wouldn't bother with it.

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Originally Posted by ifk101

Perhaps you need to present your points more clearly.

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Perhaps. Or perhaps you need to read them properly.

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Originally Posted by ifk101

Times changes EG. You're only as good as your last game and all that.

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Agreed, but if we have slipped back in the last couple of years, it has certainly not been due to any decline in our central midfield. For example, we outplayed a very decent Czech Republic at Windsor a few months back, only drawing 0-0 because we couldn't hit the back of the net.

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Originally Posted by ifk101

Perhaps NI was using the long ball alot more 2/3 years ago and, as such, by-passing the midfield's inadequacies?

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Nope.

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Originally Posted by ifk101

It's difficult to break into a top ranking international side. ;) But to break into the NI side is another matter all together.

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Hilarious.

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Don't get me wrong, Gibson is obviously a prospect and has improved noticeably this season.

But imo, he's still only a fringe/second string/Reserve player i.e. he still has a hell of a lot to do before he becomes an established and experienced EPL or Championship player.

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Again, as Fergie said, he is coming on in leaps and bounds. The trajectory looks to be very high. Thats the point. We know he is not a great player, but there is a chance he could be and he is in a very good place right now. Anyway I think you have stated your point effectively on this issue many times so there seems to be some repetition.

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Originally Posted by Brendan 82

Anyway I think you have stated your point effectively on this issue many times so there seems to be some repetition.

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Fair enough, over and out!

P.S. Whatever else, I hope Gibson has a stinker on Sunday! ;)

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Fair enough, over and out!

P.S. Whatever else, I hope Gibson has a stinker on Sunday! ;)

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Even if he plays the poorest game of his young career thus far he'll still show more talent than Sammy Clingan and Damien Johnson combined, two lower division journeymen of the English game if ever there were, though somehow according to you they become International class for the sole reason that Northern Ireland are forced to cap them due to the absence of anyone better.

By your "logic" (a word you have consistently displayed a total lack of understanding for in any of your posts over the past few years) all of San Marino's regular players are also International class and therefore Gibson wouldn't get near their team either.

Clueless as always.

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Originally Posted by Brendan 82

Again, as Fergie said, he is coming on in leaps and bounds. The trajectory looks to be very high. Thats the point. We know he is not a great player, but there is a chance he could be and he is in a very good place right now. Anyway I think you have stated your point effectively on this issue many times so there seems to be some repetition.

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There are two types of people, two types of player, those that learn quickly and adapt and those that take longer to adapt and learn but in the long run end up being better. Roy keane was an example of the latter, perhaps jonny evans is an example of the former. Time will tell with gibson. But I feel the latter realise how much effort it takes to get there and therefore that effort (and mentality) pays off far more in the long run.

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Originally Posted by youngirish

Even if he plays the poorest game of his young career thus far he'll still show more talent than Sammy Clingan and Damien Johnson combined, two lower division journeymen of the English game if ever there were, though somehow according to you they become International class for the sole reason that Northern Ireland are forced to cap them due to the absence of anyone better.

By your "logic" (a word you have consistently displayed a total lack of understanding for in any of your posts over the past few years) all of San Marino's regular players are also International class and therefore Gibson wouldn't get near their team either.

Clueless as always.

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EG is a spurs fan, so im sure thats what he meant here, a double entendre i spose...

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Originally Posted by youngirish

Even if he plays the poorest game of his young career thus far he'll still show more talent than Sammy Clingan and Damien Johnson combined, two lower division journeymen of the English game if ever there were

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Come on YI, chill out man. DJ has played for many seasons in the Premiership, both with Birmingham and as a youngster at Blackburn. If he's a journeyman, it's a top division journeyman.

Clingan's career is more modest- this is his first season in D2. But many fans, self included, rate him as our best midfielder over the last two or three years, in our best team for at least a decade. He's made the step up well.

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though somehow according to you they become International class for the sole reason that Northern Ireland are forced to cap them due to the absence of anyone better

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In practice any NI-qualified player in the top two English Divisions or Scottish Prem is potentially 'international class' for us. The reality is that the smallest countries tend to have a limited player pool. For you, with more to choose from, you'd expect the 'qualifying standard' to be a bit higher, with more Prem players. Only one Irish player, Given, would likely get anywhere the big five European countries' squads. Does that mean everyone else is isn't international class?

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By your "logic" all of San Marino's regular players are also International class and therefore Gibson wouldn't get near their team either

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Er, you're the one talking up San Marino (whether because you genuinely think it's funny or confused them with Slovenia, I don't know).

San Marino are clearly the worst international side in Europe. Everyone else above the village country level should be able to beat them without breaking sweat, as we did twice.

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Originally Posted by Brendan 82

Anyway I think you have stated your point effectively on this issue many times so there seems to be some repetition.

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That goes for everybody on this thread.

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Originally Posted by Gather round

Come on YI, chill out man.

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youngirish has only one temperature, even immune to cooling effects of exile.

I missed him:)

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Originally Posted by geysir

youngirish has only one temperature, even immune to cooling effects of exile.

I missed him:)

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I thought you were going to say immune to Global Warming ;)

Confirmed he will start in the League Cup final

League Cup final just started 5 mins ago.
Gibson is playing in centre midfield alongside Scholes.

Good luck Darron!

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Originally Posted by The Fly

League Cup final just started 5 mins ago.
Gibson is playing in centre midfield alongside Scholes.

Good luck Darron!

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He just hit the bar with a cracking shot.

A couple of good tackles and passes, A cracking shot just a few inches wide but overall not a great first half from him, certainly the last 20 minutes anyway.

He was pretty bad it has to be said!!

Every forward pass he gave went astray and he never increased his pace from walking speed, never seemed to want the ball!!

Only watched a couple minutes of the match but I must have seen his best moments then. The cracking long range effort he hit and the pass through to Ronaldo right at the end when Ronaldo hit the post.