Eligibility Rules, Okay

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Asked them what?

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If they're what you claim they are...
:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Gather round

So, 43% of people in the South (excluding the don't knows) are in denial then?

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Why would Korean people be bothered about Egypt?
Or with your usual grasp of, erm, 'geography', did you now mean Sudan...
;)

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Contrary to a suggestion in the article quoted a few pages back, isn't mid-Atlantic Mac more likely to be in the Irish team (where he's currently the #2 ranked player, as opposed to #6 in Britain)?

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HTF if he's the 'World Number 1' , or at the very least, the best in Europe, would he be ranked 6 in Britain? He's 'number one' for whichever country or team he declares for, currently...

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the NI Life and Times survey NB quoted above had 28% mainly identifying as Northern Irish. If we also exclude the 37% in the British category, then presumably no more than 35% can be Nationalist, despite their parties getting 42% in recent elections...

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Or of course, the same people surveyed might just not have bothered to vote.
And also highlights the potential unreliability of that survey when compared to actual electoral results.
:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Irwin3

Maybe not 100%, however whenever I've watched an Ulster rugby match the 'Ulster banners' in the crowd outweigh the 'Ulster provincial flags' which is the official flag of the team I believe. Clearly unionists like to show whose team they believe it really is.

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Definitely for games away from Lansdowne. Confused, them, surely not...

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

HTF if he's the 'World Number 1' , or at the very least, the best in Europe, would he be ranked 6 in Britain? He's 'number one' for whichever country or team he declares for, currently...

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Mid-Atlantic Mac is McDowell. Current official golf rankings:

Ireland

1 R McIlroy (World ranking 1)
2 G McDowell (24)
3 S Lowry (57)
4 P Harrington (59)
5 M Hoey (133)

Irish Republic

1 Lowry
2 Harrington
3 P Lawrie (161)
4 P McGinley (286)
5 D McGrane (334)

Northern Ireland

1 McIlroy
2 McDowell
3 Hoey
4 D Clarke (140)
5 G Maybin (523)

Britain

1 McIlroy
2 L Donald (2)
3 J Rose (4)
4 L Westwood (6)
5 I Poulter (12)

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Or of course, the same people surveyed might just not have bothered to vote.
And also highlights the potential unreliability of that survey when compared to actual electoral results.
:rolleyes:

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Fair points. I was answering Newryrep's implication that not everyone who votes SF or SDLP is a Nationalist (because some of them self-identify as 'Northern Irish').

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

If they're what you claim they are...
:rolleyes:


HTF if he's the 'World Number 1' , or at the very least, the best in Europe, would he be ranked 6 in Britain? He's 'number one' for whichever country or team he declares for, currently...

Definitely for games away from Lansdowne. Confused, them, surely not...

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1. Asked who what they are?

2. Err, Rory McIlroy is Number 1. GMac is not.

3. Are they as confused as the numerous Ireland rugby supporters (home and away) who bring the National flag of the Republic Of Ireland (styling itself "Ireland") to matches?

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Originally Posted by Irwin3

Maybe not 100%, however whenever I've watched an Ulster rugby match the 'Ulster banners' in the crowd outweigh the 'Ulster provincial flags' which is the official flag of the team I believe. Clearly unionists like to show whose team they believe it really is.

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You'd be quite surprised at who goes to watch Ulster - by the way, the "official flag" of the team is neither the Ulster Banner or the Ulster Provincial Flag.

Whilst Unionists may be in attendance at matches (as are Nationalists), to suggest it is a "Protestant team" is simply wrong.

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

by the way, the "official flag" of the team is neither the Ulster Banner or the Ulster Provincial Flag.

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Let's ask wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Ulster

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

1. Asked who what they are?

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AB is referring to the SDLP member who you claim is a nationalist in spite of his self-identification as Northern Irish.

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Originally Posted by ifk101

Let's ask wikipedia

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http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/z...ish/ulster.jpg

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Originally Posted by Gather round

Mid-Atlantic Mac is McDowell. Current official golf rankings:

Ireland

1 R McIlroy (World ranking 1)
2 G McDowell (24)
3 S Lowry (57)
4 P Harrington (59)
5 M Hoey (133)

Irish Republic

1 Lowry
2 Harrington
3 P Lawrie (161)
4 P McGinley (286)
5 D McGrane (334)

Northern Ireland

1 McIlroy
2 McDowell
3 Hoey
4 D Clarke (140)
5 G Maybin (523)

Britain

1 McIlroy
2 L Donald (2)
3 J Rose (4)
4 L Westwood (6)
5 I Poulter (12)

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

1. Asked who what they are?

2. Err, Rory McIlroy is Number 1. GMac is not.

3. Are they as confused as the numerous Ireland rugby supporters (home and away) who bring the National flag of the Republic Of Ireland (styling itself "Ireland") to matches?

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You both need to read your own previous posts before you post, which other people then reply to...

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

AB is referring to the SDLP member who you claim is a nationalist in spite of his self-identification as Northern Irish

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Multiple identities. He brings a lot to the party.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

You both need to read your own previous posts before you post, which other people then reply to...

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You probably need to delete yours ;)

Whereas you just need to get out more....
;)

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Originally Posted by Gather round

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Scroll down on the Ulster Rugby page to the section titled "colours and crest". I'll let you post your findings.

Nice wikipedia editing Gather Round. Now everyone knows your IP address.

I wonder what the IRFU have to say on the matter? The Ulster Provincial Flag is the flag for the 9 counties of Ulster. It is the official flag of Ulster Rugby whether you like it or not.

That unionist rag is a joke and the fact that people like to use a flag that has no official status and is only there to provocate and intimidate non-unionists or even non-royalty unionists is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Gather round

Multiple identities. He brings a lot to the party.

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I don't think anyone is disputing what he might bring to the SDLP. I couldn't really care less, to be honest. Rather, people are questioning whether or not it is fitting to refer to him as a nationalist since he identifies as Northern Irish. Does the definition of "nationalist" preclude one from identifying as such? I would have thought so.

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Originally Posted by Irwin3

That unionist rag is a joke and the fact that people like to use a flag that has no official status and is only there to provocate and intimidate non-unionists or even non-royalty unionists is ridiculous.

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What about those who wave the tricolour at Ireland rugby matches? Isn't this the official flag of the IRFU?:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...inces_Flag.jpg

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Originally Posted by Irwin3

Nice wikipedia editing Gather Round. Now everyone knows your IP address

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My pleasure. My address has never been a secret. As for Wikipedia, it's a dynamic medium: I imagine someone will edit it again shortly.

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I wonder what the IRFU have to say on the matter?

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No idea. I'm not a fan of the sport. Although I imagine they'll concentrate on a) reflecting how the majority of their fans think, at the same time b) not alienating the minority and potential new support, all the while c) using marketing symbols which maximise income while side-stepping (no pun) political controversy.

In practice- at least three flags on show at games.

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The Ulster Provincial Flag is the flag for the 9 counties of Ulster. It is the official flag of Ulster Rugby whether you like it or not

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I'm indifferent to it really. If they want to start displaying a big yellow flag on their website or outside the ground, that's fine. NB who lives locally will let me know, I expect.

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That unionist rag is a joke

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Charming. Is that the sort of language you use in the bar at Ravenhill?

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and the fact that people like to use a flag that has no official status and is only there to provocate and intimidate non-unionists or even non-royalty unionists is ridiculous

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Calm down mate. It officially represents Northern Ireland sports teams and other institutions; many/ most Ulster Rugby fans also identify with those institutions; anyone intimidated by it might be a tad over-sensitive.

But for all that, I'd be willing to change it for something more representative. Any suggestions?

I'm a lifelong non-royalist, by the way.

Both the official flag and tricolour are displayed before Ireland matches, aren't they? At the last word cup the tricolour and the Ulster provincial flag were displayed before matches.

Tha banner has no status and is only waved by unionist fans.

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Originally Posted by Irwin3

I wonder what the IRFU have to say on the matter? The Ulster Provincial Flag is the flag for the 9 counties of Ulster. It is the official flag of Ulster Rugby whether you like it or not.

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Have the IRFU commented on the matter? Do the provincial sides definitely have official flags? I can't see mention of this fact other than on Wikipedia, which, of course, anyone can edit.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Have the IRFU commented on the matter? Do the provincial sides definitely have official flags? I can't see mention of this fact other than on Wikipedia, which, of course, anyone can edit.

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I don't know if it's laid in stone, but going from the IRFU flag it's clear which is the symbol for each province.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Rather, people are questioning whether or not it is fitting to refer to him as a nationalist since he identifies as Northern Irish. Does the definition of "nationalist" preclude one from identifying as such? I would have thought so

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If he's an office holder in a clearly nationalist political party I'd say he's a nationalist. If you're insistent that people like him aren't nationalists, it suggests the oddity that a large proportion of SF/ SDLP combined support don't want a united Ireland; or even more bizarrely that they might successfully vote for it while thinking thus.

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Originally Posted by Gather round

If he's an office holder in a clearly nationalist political party I'd say he's a nationalist. If you're insistent that people like him aren't nationalists, it suggests the oddity that a large proportion of SF/ SDLP combined support don't want a united Ireland; or even more bizarrely that they might successfully vote for it while thinking thus.

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I would have thought satisyfing at least one of:
a) believing in a united Ireland; or,
b) identifying as Irish (rather than Northern Irish or British)
would have been a prerequisite to being an Irish nationalist.

What makes him a nationalist, in your book? Simply membership of a party perceived to be nationalist?