James McCarthy M free agent b.1990

I guess the people paying his wages will need to be informed that he will not blossom until 26 (not 25 or 24) as per a post on a message board. My bad tets. I bet they will be VERY interested in this "fact". I dont know what i was thinking.

You know, I have a pretty decent job, but anyone on here feeling the burn of the current economic state--I bet clubs would pay you a pretty penny to tell them the exact age a player will be effective. Might be worth a shot.
Hell if you can use that system of determination for other sports, I bet the Devils and Rangers (in fact i am positive) would be more than happy for you to give their AHL and OHL and IHL teams a serious run through. You can even stay in my apartment when you go down and tell Glen Sather he should be able to tell the exact year a player will be effective. Do you have any idea how much the Yankees pay their top roving scouts to come up with a rough idea for a players potential? And to think they could have gotten an exact age from a message board. (again assuming you can cross over this info.) Gosh Alex Ferguson would probably have the board pay millions for this exact info what is everyone waiting for?

you know, you really could have spent the time spent writing that to look up the original post from eirebhoy that irishultra referred to and checked out the points he made

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Originally Posted by Crosby87

I guess the people paying his wages will need to be informed that he will not blossom until 26 (not 25 or 24) as per a post on a message board. My bad tets. I bet they will be VERY interested in this "fact". I dont know what i was thinking.

You know, I have a pretty decent job, but anyone on here feeling the burn of the current economic state--I bet clubs would pay you a pretty penny to tell them the exact age a player will be effective. Might be worth a shot.
Hell if you can use that system of determination for other sports, I bet the Devils and Rangers (in fact i am positive) would be more than happy for you to give their AHL and OHL and IHL teams a serious run through. You can even stay in my apartment when you go down and tell Glen Sather he should be able to tell the exact year a player will be effective. Do you have any idea how much the Yankees pay their top roving scouts to come up with a rough idea for a players potential? And to think they could have gotten an exact age from a message board. (again assuming you can cross over this info.) Gosh Alex Ferguson would probably have the board pay millions for this exact info what is everyone waiting for?

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As tet's said, try reading eirebhoy's post regarding McCarthy and comment on that, the rest of your last post is unrelated rubbish.

Wigan boss Martinez - ' He's been patient and professional, I think James McCarthy has worked very hard off the pitch and he showed today that he is desperate to play for Wigan Athletic and that's the sort of player we need '

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Originally Posted by Crosby87

I guess the people paying his wages will need to be informed that he will not blossom until 26 (not 25 or 24) as per a post on a message board. My bad tets. I bet they will be VERY interested in this "fact". I dont know what i was thinking.

You know, I have a pretty decent job, but anyone on here feeling the burn of the current economic state--I bet clubs would pay you a pretty penny to tell them the exact age a player will be effective. Might be worth a shot.
Hell if you can use that system of determination for other sports, I bet the Devils and Rangers (in fact i am positive) would be more than happy for you to give their AHL and OHL and IHL teams a serious run through. You can even stay in my apartment when you go down and tell Glen Sather he should be able to tell the exact year a player will be effective. Do you have any idea how much the Yankees pay their top roving scouts to come up with a rough idea for a players potential? And to think they could have gotten an exact age from a message board. (again assuming you can cross over this info.) Gosh Alex Ferguson would probably have the board pay millions for this exact info what is everyone waiting for?

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You know, certain people's posts reveal alot about them....:o

I see Colbert Report actually thanked Crosby for that post. The mind boggles.

All i was saying was no one knows if a player will be a success at 26. I realize many of you have blinders on here due to the circumstances of the original poster and i respect that.

Imagine if a person with a low post total or me or Colbert came on here and said hey, i have figured something out, James McCarthy will be great at 26.
All of you would flame the poster to death and you know i am right whether you admit it or not.

As for reading everything on here posted a while back, i was responding to the quote by irishultra above. Didnt realize i had to do so much additional research.

But i am not looking to fight.
I look forward to when James hits 26 and i can count on him being a great success. It is unfortunate that it is (apparently) so understood we will have to wait but hey, rome wasnt built in a day.

And as for people's post revealing things, thanks for pointing that out Scooby Doo. I always look for people calling themselves Scooby Doo to really know how to use a smiley face good and proper. Yeah he he go shels he he!! In the words of another cartoon character, good grief.

8/10 in one rating I read and a v decent write up.

As has been said I can't see the 26 prediction making sense. If he is going to be great then it is more likely to be by 21 than by 26 (thiough clearly he may well improve as 26 is the optimum age for most players/positions).

I fear that McCarthy will be another McGeady, hyped up and way over-rated..

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Originally Posted by yapster

I fear that McCarthy will be another McGeady, hyped up and way over-rated..

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Its a little early to be saying that. Give him at least another year before even thinking like this

jesus no one has patience around here :)

except me and you Acorn. ;)

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Originally Posted by yapster

I fear that McCarthy will be another McGeady, hyped up and way over-rated..

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He's only 19, ffs.

Let's see where he is in five to seven years before judging whether he's a failure or not. Even McGeady is only 23.

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Originally Posted by superfrank

He's only 19, ffs.

Let's see where he is in five to seven years before judging whether he's a failure or not. Even McGeady is only 23.

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McGeady is only 23? ffs players back in the day were established by that age. Have you seen McGeady play? he hasn't improved any in the last few years, he can't cross a ball ffs. I hope I'm wrong about McCarthy but I think he is over-hyped like McGeady was.

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Originally Posted by yapster

McGeady is only 23? ffs players back in the day were established by that age. Have you seen McGeady play? he hasn't improved any in the last few years, he can't cross a ball ffs. I hope I'm wrong about McCarthy but I think he is over-hyped like McGeady was.

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you obviously havnt been watching him recently so...

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Originally Posted by yapster

McGeady is only 23? ffs players back in the day were established by that age. Have you seen McGeady play? he hasn't improved any in the last few years, he can't cross a ball ffs. I hope I'm wrong about McCarthy but I think he is over-hyped like McGeady was.

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McGeady crossed today for McDonald's goal

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Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia

As has been said I can't see the 26 prediction making sense. If he is going to be great then it is more likely to be by 21 than by 26 (thiough clearly he may well improve as 26 is the optimum age for most players/positions).

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We are depending on one posters (distant?) recollection of what Eirebhoy wrote.
But as you admit, probably most midfielders are at their peak aged 26.
It may well have been one of Eirebhoy's more obvious comments about a
young talent and not a Nostradamus like prophesy.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

McGeady crossed today for McDonald's goal

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Pity he can't do it for Ireland

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Originally Posted by yapster

Pity he can't do it for Ireland

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Assist for Doyle's opener away VS Georgia: http://www.soccerscene.ie/sssenior/m...ils.php?id=449
Assist for Robbie Keane's second at home VS Georgia: http://www.soccerscene.ie/sssenior/m...ils.php?id=454

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Assist for Doyle's opener away VS Georgia: http://www.soccerscene.ie/sssenior/m...ils.php?id=449
Assist for Robbie Keane's second at home VS Georgia: http://www.soccerscene.ie/sssenior/m...ils.php?id=454

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Against poxy opposition. He had a poor campaign overall you must agree...

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Originally Posted by yapster

McGeady is only 23? ffs players back in the day were established by that age. Have you seen McGeady play? he hasn't improved any in the last few years, he can't cross a ball ffs. I hope I'm wrong about McCarthy but I think he is over-hyped like McGeady was.

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How many times have you seen McCarthy play? back your opinion up with your perceived flaws in his game then.
Because making flippant statements that a talented 19 year old won't make it just makes you look silly otherwise.

Some posters on here are very funny, if our best youngsters are not breaking through like Fabregas did well then they must be doomed to failure.

Have a bit of patience.

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Originally Posted by Strongbow10

How many times have you seen McCarthy play? back your opinion up with your perceived flaws in his game then.
Because making flippant statements that a talented 19 year old won't make it just makes you look silly otherwise.

Some posters on here are very funny, if our best youngsters are not breaking through like Fabregas did well then they must be doomed to failure.

Have a bit of patience.

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Why isn't he a regular at a ****e club like Wigan? Yeah he scored a goal but you and others are going a bit over the top about him at this early stage.

Is it any wonder Soccer has such a high level of burnouts & never-weres, when "fans" write off players before they are even 20. It's borderline disgraceful that youngsters feel that kind of pressure from all sides, it can't be that surprising you have your Stephen Ireland's losing the plot. I would.

Stephen Ireland is a tosser - supporters expectations has nothing to do with his obvious gobsh1tedness...

McCarthy has at least 3 or 4 years (bearing in mind his position) before anyone should call him a failure. That is unless we see him drifting down the divisions (Sean Thornton style). An example might be someone like Darren Fletcher at ManUre, it took him years to establish himself. Whereas strikers and wingers can usually get established in their late teens/ early twenties. It is rare to have an established centre mid (or centre half or GK for that matter) in his late teens (Fabregas being an obvious exception).

i'm not going to trawl through this thread to find eirebhoy's post but i'm assuming he was saying something akin to players in that position (ie middle of midfield) not reaching their potential until their mid twenties - and to me that makes perfect sense.

Delighted to see McCarthy get on the score sheet this weekend. I can't think of any other 19 year olds playing regularly centre mid for a Premiership Club so I don't understand this great expectation of McCarthy walking straight in to Wigan's 1st 11.

However, as he has been given very little Premiership game time (1 sub appearance I think), the fact that Wigan are under performing this season could lead to Martinez getting the boot and the next manager giving him more opportunities. Just wishful thinking perhaps but a possibility nonetheless!!

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Originally Posted by Crosby87

But i am not looking to fight.
I look forward to when James hits 26 and i can count on him being a great success. It is unfortunate that it is (apparently) so understood we will have to wait but hey, rome wasnt built in a day.

And as for people's post revealing things, thanks for pointing that out Scooby Doo. I always look for people calling themselves Scooby Doo to really know how to use a smiley face good and proper. Yeah he he go shels he he!! In the words of another cartoon character, good grief.

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Bit of advice Crosby, stick to just being a cynical, pedantic attention seeker because your attempts at mocking other posters are nothing short of pathetic. To quote Stutts88, 'the mind boggles'.
Your original post was ill thought-out, completely ridiculous and juvenile. Were you trying to be witty/clever or what??? Yes, it did reveal a bit about you. It demonstrated that you have little to contribute to this topic other than (totally unimaginative!) attempts at ridiculing other posters for the sake of it. Concentrate instead on your 'pretty decent job' that you felt the need to broadcast.

P.S: This time I'll forgo the smiley face that you took such offence from. Pity this forum doesn't facilitate little one-fingered gestures though.

Also delighted for McCarthy. He will likely become an important player for us and fulfill the potential we all hope that he has. For now, getting on the scoresheet of a senior-team cup game isn't a bad start!

some encouragement..
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2010/0107/mccarthyj.html

'He showed on Saturday that he is ready. We all know James is going to be a big star in world football,' said the Spaniard


and yet we have people on here saying he is a failure already

I'm surprised Martinez rates him at all. Perhaps he has bought into the message board hype that only yapster seems to be immune to.

Anyone writing James McCarthy off at 19 does not have a clue what they are talking about. Wigan bought him for the future, he will be a good player, how successful he is is entirely up to him and his attitude, he has so far shown maturity and professionalism beyond his years. He knew an extra year at Hamilton would do him good, Hamilton had a big say in where he went and could have accepted more money from bigger clubs but agreed to Wigan as one of the backroom staff there had worked with him at Hamilton and both the player and club felt that continuity was the best thing for him. All this, for me anyway, shows incredible maturity and preparedness to give it his all. Good stuff from a young hyped up footballer with the world at his feet.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

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and yet we have people on here saying he is a failure already

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Anyone saying that is a Grade A Moron. Even by internet message board standards.

What people are saying is that he is nowhere near the expectations certain posters have him hyped up to be. Of course Martinez will say that to give the kid confidence but it's over the top as no.1 it's way too early to tell and no.2 it puts too much pressure on the lads shoulders. Rooney & M.Owen were lauded as well but they were playing and playing well for top clubs like Liverpool & Everton, Roy Keane was lauded with Forest but he was doing the buisness with Forest week in week out. Lets see what McCarthy can do after a full season playing regularly in the Premiership before proper judgement 'me included' can be made.

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Originally Posted by yapster

What people are saying is that he is nowhere near the expectations certain posters have him hyped up to be. Of course Martinez will say that to give the kid confidence but it's over the top as no.1 it's way too early to tell and no.2 it puts too much pressure on the lads shoulders. Rooney & M.Owen were lauded as well but they were playing and playing well for top clubs like Liverpool & Everton, Roy Keane was lauded with Forest but he was doing the buisness with Forest week in week out. Lets see what McCarthy can do after a full season playing regularly in the Premiership before proper judgement 'me included' can be made.

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Moyes rotated Rooney in and out of the team until he was so good that he absolutely had to use him. Same with Owen, to an extent.

McCarthy has been in England for 4 months. Give him a chance to develop.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

I'm surprised Martinez rates him at all. Perhaps he has bought into the message board hype that only yapster seems to be immune to.

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not sure if you are sticking up for yapster there or being sarcastic :D

I don't remember seeing any posts on here claiming that McCarthy would be an instant worldbeater....anyone else? In fact, I think the analysis of this kid has been reasonable and quite cautious throughout.

Being ginger as well, its bound to make his development that little bit more difficult.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Moyes rotated Rooney in and out of the team until he was so good that he absolutely had to use him. Same with Owen, to an extent.

McCarthy has been in England for 4 months. Give him a chance to develop.

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Agree, Another case in point might be Jack Rodwell who is hugely rated by Moyes and EFC fans and the England set-up. He is being very carefully groomed and has probably only played as many games as he has due to Everton's injury problems. I think Martinez's assesment of McCarthy is reasonable and encouraging. He is not under any obligation to talk him up or pick him unless he feels that he is actually making the right kind of progress.

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Originally Posted by as_i_say

Being ginger as well, its bound to make his development that little bit more difficult.

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Couple that with the McCarthy name, the likelihood that he has some rebel blood.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

not sure if you are sticking up for yapster there or being sarcastic :D

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i am sure .....pm me and I will tell ya

I have to agree that mnay of the postrs on here are ridiculus. I dont think we should even consider a verdict on him for at least the end of the season. He is just settling in now.
I think Martinez has done very well to ease him in to it so far. As he says himself, McCarthy is raring to go but Martinez is being very patient. I think its great. McCarthy should be just getting encouragement at the moment. Its farcical to be questioning his talent right now. Some one mentioned on another thread that postings (i.e expectations) are getting silly and I agree, its boring to be honest to hear constant criticism and negativity. Fair play to those who can give a good opinion without.
Finnally, comapre McCarthy to say Anderson at ManU, he is young, cost a lot more than McCarthy but hasnt hit it off yet, and it is only really now that criticism is starting to fall on him, and personally I think its a bit premature.
Expectations of FANS are silly in a lot of cases!!!!!