Typical Culchie no principles. He should only say sorry if he thinks he was wrong.
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Typical Culchie no principles. He should only say sorry if he thinks he was wrong.
Great goal, the first one, although it was against a Norwich side who are extremely porous at the moment. I dont rate the guy as highly as some others on here at the moment, although I do think he should be in the squad. If he can force himself into the starting XI on a regular basis for Sunderland, Trap may call him up, but its unlikely to happen before the end of this campaign imo.
As an aside, poor Gaz Doherty appears to be having a torrid time at the bacl for Norwich.
I don't think there's any doubt he was in the wrong, he broke a curfew and when given a second chance to leave after the initial break decided to hang on. That seems to be the accepted version of events in any case.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Wrong!Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
I think Trap has said implied that the row isn't the issue. He said he had lots of arguments with players in Italy. I still believe that he thinks that Reid's demeanour when not playing was the issue. Neil McD supplied quotes to back this up.
He's definitely good enough for our squad. He can play right across the middle-4 and as support to the forwards.
ffs he loves his sing song. big deal, hes learned from it im sure. i with trap all the way but i hate the fact reid isnt with us. hes pure class and has carried himself with dignity and passion when talking about playing for ireland. got himself fit for this season(never bothered me he was a bit chunky anyway). obvisouly trap just dosent want him and it dosent matter what andy does which is a real shame and a waste of a real talent. i just hope andy keeps his head down and does his stuff and hope for the best. if i was manager in the morning id be ringing andy to apologise. chin up andy :ball:
Or, if playing for your country means doing anything he can, a lot easier and more realistic than swimming hte irish sea for example, biting his tongue and saying sorry means he can do it, then do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
How do you know he hasn't already apologised?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
If the Mainz party was the big issue then Andy would not have been togged out and primed to come on against Montenegro.
Even if it was the issue between them, Andy looks the type of lad who could apologise, Not at all like having to wait forever for some Roscommon culchie to finally cop on and own up to their behaviour :)
theres certain times when you should apologise even when you dont think youre wrong - i think this is one of those times for the chubby funster.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
The Trapp quote re Reid sulking.
http://foot.ie/forums/showpost.php?p...&postcount=506
The reason I don't 100% believe that is because Brady, around the time, said that there was absolutely no problem with Reid's attitude. I can't see why the assistant manager would say something so completely untrue given what what been discussed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
If after: all his efforts, losing 8kg, a stunning goal and display last night, a total loyalty and willingness to play for Ireland, an absolute need for quality in the IRELAND team….Andy is not selected for the squad, it is a total travesty.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
If we do not win in Cyprus with Andy not in the squad, Trappatoni will be turned upon, and rightly so, as it stands already, he is VERY lucky that the honeymoon period has extended this far in the Irish media.
As for misdemeanors of Roscommon sheep botherers, Andy will score a hat-trick in a World Cup Final before you get any remorse there!
Interesting though that some posters want Andy to apologise when Trap smacked him across the ear but think Trap should beg Stephen Ireland to come back to the side! Notably, these are the views of the great hypocrite Roy Keane.
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Originally Posted by Scram
That fact that a professional sportsman needed to lose the guts of a stone and a half and has taken until now to do it is a travesty.
I hope to see him back in the squad by the way but his condiition over the last few years has held him back for club as well as country.
Agreed, and it highlights the error in judgment of those who said his weight was not an issue. Granted, the guy had the skill to basically pass his way to a paycheck the last couple years but one must wonder what he would have been capable of if he had the proper enthusiasm from the beginning of his career. It is all well and good to "shape up", but starting at the age of 27 is pretty late in the game. Regardless, I hope he can play his way into the Ireland squad this seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
I would say that he probably has to work harder than other players to shape up and he was probably just doing the same as others. But sometimes the same is not enough and this is the case.
Agreed. Would love to see Andy back in the squad and delighted he has spent the close season removing the main excuse people rely upon to overlook his obvious technical brilliance and outstanding vision (qualities which are sorely lacking in the current squad). I've never actually been completely convinced that he has been 'overweight' - I might be alone in thinking this but I cannot see how it stands to reason that a guy playing week in, week out in centre midfield at a functional Premier League club can still manage to be overweight and/or unfit. It's a contradiction in terms (cue deluge of photos of Andy looking tubby!). I hope he gets a call-up but, barring a considerable broadening of Trap's opinion of what a centre midfielder should do, I can't see it happening. He seems to have settled on a profile of 'gritty, hardworking watercarrier' as the campaign has gone on alright, but if he saw fit (ahem) to include Reid in the first few squads he must clearly have envisaged a role for him.
Or a roll for him.
Sorry. No more fat jokes.
He's just lost nearly a stone and a half!! I'd say that's a pretty good indication that he was over weight! I would agree that he has to do a bit more then some to keep the weight down but that what he should have been doing for years. He can eat and drink what he likes when he retires but he needed to apply himself. I'm delighted he finally did, hope he keeps it up and would love to see him on a plane in the squad for SA next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by TerryPhelan
QFT.Quote:
Originally Posted by TerryPhelan
While he may have been visibly a bit over weight it never effected his fitness has he played the full 90 minutes in the majority of games comfortably over the past few seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
Reading into what he said in that interview, makes me think at least that he hasn't apologised, becuase he doesn't really see the need to apologise i.e. he thinks he has done no wrong. And maybe he hasn't and we are all speculating and he will now be called into the squad sooner rather than later.Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
If not though I reckon, he hasn't apologised, for whatever he may have done (and potentially unaware of what he has done).
As i said a couple posts ago, he has passed/skilled his way to a paycheck the last few years. Imagine if he was a fitness freak; how good could he have been? Imagine if he really dedicated his life to it while he was at Tottenham, he could have succeeded there and possibly gone on to bigger and better things. Everyone knows he has been able to get by the last few years, no one is really arguing that. I just think it is a shame, because I rate him as a player but believe he could have been so much more. This latest development, while encouraging, is beyond tardy.Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
Based on stated weight loss, I reckon Andy must be now as fast over the 100m than "supermac" MacDonald was.
I'd imagine there are few who disagree with you. Andy has never had a bad game for Ireland in my book (aside from Switzerland away perhaps, where his cause was not helped by a 90 minute barrage of criticism by Stephen Carr who was playing behind him. For a young guy new to the international scene, playing in a high pressure game away from home, I always felt Reid deserved far better support than he got from Carr that night). It seems peculiar that Miller ticks more boxes because he can do everything, albeit moderately, whereas Reid does some things excellently and others slightly poorly and is seen as a luxury who is incompatible with the manager's plans. Football is rarely decided on the basis of logic, of course. Or more likely still, Trap's logic is more sound than I am giving him credit for. I would be interested to hear his response to our queries about Miller's inclusion though - as far as I'm aware this is one issue which the press have yet to raise with him.
Superb last night Reid looks really super fit great quote from the paper yesterday re his fall out with Trap.
"If he left everybody out of the squad last night who was singing that night their'd probably be only two people in the squad - and that's only because they didn't know the song"
Gaffe of the night the sky commentator's pronunciation of young Spillane's surname pronounced "Spill lane":(
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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
Different thing, did he play them to the best of his ability? Might he have been sharper without the extra weight? They're fair questions. And he was in the Championship a season and a half ago, he's been very much in and out of the Sunderland team since joining in the Jan 08 window.
This is pretty much my point. I reckon he could have been a legend if he was a "fitness freak" his whole career.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
My guess is he put it on over last summer or last season. He was Sunderland's main man when he joined and then had a peripheral role last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
He wasn't always big
http://www.goal.ie/fundraising/image...%20-%20use.JPG
You're still in denial eirebhoy :) He's been overweight by athetic standards for several years. No argument.
D69er is spot on. The fact that he has only now got into shape is a bad indictment of either himself or his club's dieticians, probably both.
Diod anyone notice how the Spurs squad all lost weight after Ramos took over? Huddlestone & Robinson in particular, but even players like Keane. It's simply inexcusable not to be in peak condition as a top footballer these days.
Trust me, I participate in endurance sport and like to think I know about these things.
I find it strange how Keane's attitude to him completely changed after a brilliant first half season. Changing his position, making sure he played the 120 minutes in an unimportant league cup game having not played a full game previously. I'd say he slacked a bit last summer.
If he only lost what he put on in secret over the summer then how come all the references to the new slimline Andy Reid?
Talking about last summer, 2008. He looks slim to me here:Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
http://www.goal.ie/fundraising/image...%20-%20use.JPG
Taken a couple of years ago.
I watched the 2nd half of the Sunderland game which I missed last night and Reid played in the centre for the last 20 minutes. The most noticeable thing about him in that position is that players want to pass it to him. It's not seen as a negative step backwards for the winger to pass it to Reid and I think they'd trust Reid to do the right thing.
He was a big lad at Forest but he could do a 90 minute shift easy enough. Appearances can be deceptive.
EB, but what was the average age of the wingers, were they young uns? he is 27 at this stage, a wise head so to speak so those more inexperienced will always look to pass to him.
Totally misses the point. If it wasn't an issue then why bother losing the weight now? Just for the craic or purely for appearances? I used to do a 90 minute shift every Sunday morning in St. Anne's park after a feed of pints, a kebab and 4 hours sleep. Doesn't mean I wouldn't have been better had I stayed in the night before.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
Time to bury Andy's old Irish jersey,
maybe put it in the coffin along with "Gran".
http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/trapattoni%20ireland.JPG
I've been searching for a photo that was in all the papers after the 3-0 home win over Cyprus in 2004 but can't find it.
It was a photo of Reid with his jersey off after swapping it with a Cypriot. 2 things stood out for me: dodgy tattoos and a complete lack of muscle definition - i.e., flabby upper arms.
I'm not a body fascist but if anyone can dig this photo up it'll categorically prove that earlier in his career he was not well conditioned. No big deal for you and me, a very big deal for a professional sportsman (bar front-row forwards, sumo wrestlers etc.).
He might want to pull birds in a night club with a slimmer look? Andy Reid could lose 4 stone but will never turn into a box to box midfielder. Berbatov is a rake but is a lazy fecker at the best of times. Shape and size isn't everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
I've seen him live at least 30 times and I can never recall him struggling for fitness. Other players yes but never Reidy hence my appearances can be deceptive comment. I hope the weight loss does help his all round game and yes it might appeal to the Trap and Bruce because it shows he is knuckling down in training but I don't think it will transform him into Frank Lampard.
There was a quote somewhere from Martin Jol that he was one of the best trainers at Spurs, but tbh I think reid is a good Championship player or bottom half of the premiership on a good day, he doesn't appear to be able to play to his level consistently enough to be better. I have friends who are Charlton fans and he was great with them while he was there, whereas he has always struggled when expected to perform at a higher level.
Also every summer we get the "look how much weight Andy Reid has lost" story, he must be anorexic by now!
If only we could say the same about women and live.
You would have to admit that he looks chubby here, out of condition in face and body.
early feb 2009
Heres a couple that would prejudice your image of what was under the shirt,
but It could well be just the wind blowing
Andy V Germany
Charlton days