Agree with your post 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
But the above confuses me?
I can't talk to the average fan on the street due to it usually being "Metro" chat and when I'm at games I'm surrounded by the boo boys brigade?
Is that the inference or are the posters on here the clueless naive ones?
And TC and Tets! Where do you think Sky Sports get their stats? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I'm going to bite - what on earth is "Bęmarkaši-Sviši į Smišar"?! Googling it just throws up this thread.
If you're in the Faroes, I'm going to have to punch you.
google translate gives the second part as Icelandic for "burning construction"Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
not sure I want to know what the rest of it means now
Can't you ask the question in reverse too though - if it was Trap's doing in Paris, then why hasn't he done it again since, and then the performances since have been the manager's fault, and not the players'.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Nope. I'm not. It's a really bad Icelandic translation of where I live given the Norse provenance of the area.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
When I lived in Stoneybatter/Oxmantown I had "Austmennstad" there.
In Lucan, it was Elm Place.
And now I live in Smithfield Which gives "Sviši į Smišar" or "Field of Smiths" or from it's Irish translation of "Margadh na Feirme" or "Farm Market" you get "Bęmarkaši"
But if Geysir wants to correct it or improve it I am more than happy!
I'd agree with that, my point is that that whole "players taking over the dressing room at half time" in that game is a mythQuote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
So you do think that it was Trap's doing in Paris, and then the performances since have been the manager's fault, and not the players'?Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I think it's the only game where they actually played the system properly and took responsibility for the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
We did play well in Paris but we know now the French were in a terrible mess.
So? They still had better players than us in almost every position.
We have since played much poorer teams than the French on that night and failed to show anything like that kind of endeavour. That match completely goes against the style of play in any of our other games. I'm really not sure who is responsible for it.
If you are going to put the performance down to the team or Trapattoni, you might as well factor in the opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
So?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
The fact Ireland were demoralised on Friday does not take away from Germany's performance. France were not themselves in Paris but they were a good side filled with world class players and were second best on the night. They were poor but Ireland were good.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
Our performance on Friday has been widely described as one of the worst, if not the worse performances by an Irish side. We contributed to the performance of the Germans. We allowed them to play as they pleased.
And they were very pleasing. Of course our performance contributed to their dominance, but that doesn't mean they weren't good. All I'm saying is that we were excellent in Paris and only failed to win because we lacked a world-class finisher.
That is all.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
I think people are so blinded by how poor we have been from an attacking since, since trap took over that they think because we created 3 chances in France that could/should have produced goals i.e. clear cut chances, they somehow seem to think we played exceptionally well. Go back and have another look at the game.
Anyone in the UK know if the match is televised? Sky Sports don't seem to be showing it
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Originally Posted by pineapple stu
It's not that bad, only 7.39% of the posts actually contain any stats.
I'm actually getting worried Germany wont beat sweden tomorrow and will be happy with the 4 points from the trip.
And if that is the case, that is going to be the biggest blocker to us not qualifying, assuming we sort ourselves out before we go to stockholm.
I dont think that's likely, Germany are at home they are much much better than Sweden man for man and as a collective. Also the Germans wont want to come anywhere near losing that game, if they lose then the Swedes will go level with them and the Germans will, as usual, endavour to have the group done and dusted by the summer - I dont think they'll risk a scenario where they are 0-0 at 85 mins and might lose the game down to a lapse. In all probability the game will be sewn up by 70 mins.... Even if what so say does happen I can't see Sweden doing a clean sweep on all the other teams in the group. These are there results since Euro 2012 (where they lost to Ukraine and England but beat an already qualified France):
H - Brazil L 0-3
H - China W 1-0
H - Kazakhstan W 2-0
A - Faeroe Is W 2-1
On paper it's three wins and a defeat, but the wins are very narrow ones against reasonably weak teams. Being beaten by Brazil at home is to be expected, but this was more or less the Brazil Olympic team. They only beat China 1-0, China's football team is pretty hopeless they hardly ever win away from home and a 1-0 home win for Sweden is a fairly limited result. Similarly beating the Kazakhs 2-0 at home (with a last minute goal) isn't much to write home about. No doubt people will say we only beat them 2-1 away with some last minute goals, but bear in mind plastic pitches and 10 hour flights only really apply to matches in Astana and not Stockholm. Kudos to them for putting away the Faeroese 2-1 away from home in what is a potential banana skin, but I dont think the Swedes will get 9 points from the games in Astana, Vienna and Dublin - they are the very definition of an average side and in some ways the Austrians are just as dangerous from our point of view. They are catchable and hopefully we'll be level with them after tomorrows matches.
I was thinking they were away edmundo, someone told me they were definitely away, as I thought they were at home alright.
Team just read out by Trap:
westwood, coleman, o'shea, o'dea, wilson, brady, andrews, mccarthy, mcgeady, keane, walters
Wilson and Brady get their first competitive starts....
Ireland XI vs Faroe Islands - Westwood, Coleman, O'Shea, O'Dea, Wilson; Brady, Andrews, McCarthy, McGeady; Keane, Walters
Wow the 6-1 Drubbing has finally made Trap realise what I said all the way back against slovakia at home, that ward is just not up to the standard. Great to see well done Trap. Hats off.
Poor kelly, he should be definitely starting against them.
Now lets take it to the faroes, definitely the gap is closing but we can beat them and thats a decent team. We should not be over-run in midfield.
I'm positively looking forward to this game. Trap finally making the right calls, but perhaps too little too late.
Clark for O'Dea would have been nice but happy with the rest of the team tbh
McGeady is lucky to have kept his place. Clark should be ahead of O'Dea anyway, if only for the fact he makes less mistakes.
really attacking side there, even in defence
Thank god re Brady and Wilson. Still taking the **** re Clark and Long.
Yeah the Sweden v Germany match in Sweden is the last match of the group. One would assume the Germans will have qualified long before that so there is a chance they will send a reserve team to Sweden (Holland actually did this for Euro 2012 qualification - and the Swedes beat the Dutch reserve team), but I think Germany's reserves would beat Sweden anyway.... I would imagine they'll send their first team anyway, the Germans are ruthlessly professional at this sort of thing and it would be utterly out of character for them to send a sub-par team.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Who would you drop for Long...thought Walters was one of our best the other night and Keane has a proven knack for banging them in against this sort of opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by fionnsci
Don't think Kelly should be starting ahead of Coleman, not until he's starting regularly again at Fulham
O'Dea for Clark is the only change I'd make there.
I actually do agree, I kind of changed my mind after posting. Happy enough with the strikers. Would have Long marginally ahead of Walters still.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manblue
I think Kelly might have been a better option than Clark or Coleman at right back. Coleman just isn't sound enough defensively yet. But in 5 months time when we are playing sweden and austria, he might hopefully have 6 months under his belt of playing consistently as a right back.
Delighted to see Brady and Wilson get the nod. Walters retaining his place too is deserved after his toil Friday night, even if Long is still unlucky not get a start.
Can't believe O'Dea is being retained though. Kelly or Clark at centre-half, or anyone else for that matter. Coleman was given a torrid time by Reus, I agree but, overall, I don't think it was a terrible international debut. I think O'Dea at centre-half made too many mistakes. Coleman, at least, was composed on the ball. The same cannot be said for O'Dea.
One way of looking at Coleman starting is that if he is troubled by whoever the Faroes have on his flank then it's a very sad indictment of him, given that even if his defensive abilities were only of League One level than he should capably deal with the opposition. He'll provide a massive threat from right-back.
On the other hand, O'Dea, one would hope, would be able to deal with the threat from whichever Faroese attack is facing him. However, he cannot be trusted to play composed and effective ball out of defence, as was clearly demonstrated against Germany, but also against Kazakhstan. He's also liable to make a mistake.
While i didn't agree with Coleman starting against the Germans - it was purely down to his lack of experience. Saying that, he is the right full back we want to see in our future teams and these are exactly the matches he should be playing to gain experience. I would say that Long's omission is down to Keane and not Walters. To be honest, Keane has a proven track record of scoring against minnows and we need the lift for this match. We also badly need to fix some of our goal difference so i agree with the striker choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
For me, the only one who shouldnt be in there is O'Dea. The Germany match proved to me how brilliant Dunne really is. O'Shea always looked strong next to him, so did O'Dea. Without Dunne they both looked cr.ap, O'Shea being slightly better than O'Dea. Absolutely should be Clarke starting and again there's no excuse. A manager should drop players when they're underperfoming and O'Dea was one of our worst players against Germany.
I can try to move it up another sviši :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
"Bęmarkaši-Sviši į Smišar", it's not Icelandic but similar, meaning somewhat distorted from the pure (scandinavian) stuff.
Bę = town /city
markaši (genitive/dative case?) market
sviši = classification/level/catagory/type
smišjar = woodwork
I'd expect a 6/10 for this guess - at the town market - various woodwork types. carvings possibly?
a Don't you mean plural mistakes? :)
I still can't believe, the manager included that people were blind to the fact that O'Dea played for Toronto, and that indictment alone was proof of his ability. Was it arrogance or ignorance to be so dismissive of other managers? You can't think 1 or 2 ok performances against poor opposition is a marker for a player, yet this was always the reasoning behind the O'Dea has been nothing but solid blah blah blah for us.
Poor Trap is dying by his own sword.
Why has Trap changed his phillosophy/policy/system? He is playing all these attacking players? Playing players we always wanted and discarded his own defensive approach? Do you think perhaps he wants the sack?