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Originally Posted by gordongekko
75th anniversary of unbroken senior football representation in Limerick city this year.
It doesn't matter a whit to me in what guises this happened.
Walk around Naples telling people they've never won a scuddetto.
Fairplay to the GUST for keeping the 19s going, they're very poor, but genuinely fairplay, I was waiting for everything to be expunged. (which would have actually damaged Limericks prospects.)
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Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Utterly, utterly bizarre.
Taken to its logical conclusion, that would mean that no club had any hold on your loyalty at all.
Is this peculiar to Limerick?
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Originally Posted by gormacha
Limerick, Cork, Derry, Naples, Florence amongst other places.
Don't forget Waterford changed their name in 1982 :)
The case is different for the Italian Clubs, Italian football clubs cannot go bankrupt because they are covered by bank guarantees where as the Irish Clubs are not, just because the club buys back the history does not make it the same club.Quote:
Originally Posted by sadloserkid
You're missing my point entirely. The ironically named LimTilIDie (really?) appears to be saying that he or she doesn't care what club in Limerick plays senior football as long as someone does. I'm saying that this is a very unusual way to look at football, where loyalty to a club and its identity is normally hugely important.Quote:
Originally Posted by adamd164
It's important to me as a Waterford Utd supporter that I can trace the club lineage back to 1930, just as its important to Cork City fans to show allegiance to the club lineage from 1984 onwards. We can argue the toss about whether ouir claims are true or not, but we are at least agreed that the issue is important to us. Not so it appears for our Limerick brethren, one of whom has no problem with Galway Devon or whatever they are calling themselves taking over the identity of Galway United, and another two of whom have no problem who plays senior football in their city as long as someone does.
LOI never ceases to amaze me. Even its fans are mad.
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Originally Posted by TheBoss
Thats definitely wrong Fiorentina went bust and then a new club bought back the name.
Edit: Heres a bit of the story http://www.abc.net.au/news/2003-05-1...r-name/1854868
So....the first division structure this season. Awful isn't it?
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Originally Posted by gormacha
Its not Limerick FC,Limerick 37 or Limerick United til i die just Lim....He supports senior football in Limerick whats so hard to get?
I understand it. I just don't understand it. Understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
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Originally Posted by gormacha
To me they are all the same thing with the same people involved i was at the League Cup Final in 2002 and to me i support the same club today that won the cup that day.
I'm seriously at a loss as to how some people can't comprehend what LTID is saying. It makes perfect sense.
I think there's a lot of confusion outside of Limerick as well about the detail of our various forms over the years. The only difference between Limerick FC (the old one, try and keep up :) ) and Limerick 37 was the chairman. The new/current Limerick FC is simply a renamed Limerick 37. It's every bit as tolerable to me as the Cork City case. I think you're taking things very, very literally Gormacha. Personally, to cover a few of the bits and pieces here:
1) if I had been a GUFC fan I wouldn't support SD Galway. Utterly understand that and sympathise with them for their loss of club.
2)I don't really think that SD Galway are quite as souless as they're now being painted. I'd probably take a harder line if they were calling themselves United but as it is the death of GUFC has left a space. Obviously it would suit GUST if the 'housing estate teams' stayed exactly that but SD Galway wanting a shot at the big time is their own business. By hook or by crook Terryland Park has been made available to them, they are from Galway and they've adopted the county colours. I'd be LIVID if something similar happened to me as a Limerick fan but it wouldn't make the usurpers any worse than opportunists.
3) I don't think that Limerick FC is 75 years old but I do think that it's a continuation of a club that founded 75 years ago. I'm quite happy with that way of thinking personally. Football in Limerick has had some dark, dark days but it is to the credit of those who have involved themselves in it that there has never been a year that a club has not competed. It is, by the by, a grave fault of football in this country that teams can so readily avail of boom-bust-reform-repeat cycles.
4) An 8 team first division is MADNESS! (that last one is for you nigel-harps! :) )
That's fair enough,and that's actually the position I was arguing for, not against. LTID's post gave the impression it wasn't important what club played senior football in Limerick as long as someone did. Your post says you do see a lineage and its important to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by sadloserkid
I still disagree with you about SD Galway though. :)
Hopefully there's enough support/lobbying to increase the league size, shame to see the 1st Div with only 8 teams in it when more are obviously interested. Undermines the great work they have done to seemingly not even be considered
It would be hard to argue that the current Napoli, Fiorentina, Aldershot etc clubs aren't the direct descendants of the clubs that went bust, the difference with Cork being that before now, a new club with a completely different name (FORAS FC was just a legal requirement) replaced the preceding team. Of course, what distinguishes the foreign clubs is they had to restart at a lower level of the pyramid, and while in Limerick's case the lowest rung was the First Division, FORAS and Derry could have been sent to the A Championship, but the risk to the clubs futures probably overruled that.
As is your right. You're using their new title now though which I see as progress. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gormacha
Well Over 100 games in the last three years FWIW. Not that I'm particularly pushed about justifying myself on the internetz.Quote:
Originally Posted by gormacha
Top tip: Things will sometimes seem utterly bizarre when you read your own meaning into them rather than what's actually there.
BonnieShels got it straight away and slk more or less nailed it in point three so I'm gonna leave it at that.....
On the structure of the Division (let's all go back there!) it's going to be a bit sucky, 28 games is gammy and I can see (at this early stage!) the division breaking down as follows:
Limerick - A cut, nay several cuts, above everyone else. Arguably the best player in every position in the Division and some solid back up to boot. We should absolutely stroll it. We won't.
Longford - Solid, workmanlike, a couple of years building now, will win a lot of tight games. They kind of remind me of Mick Cookes Monaghan at this stage.
Waterford - Possibly poorer than last year, but then the division is a hell of a lot poorer than last year. They'll do alright, always seem to have a little bit of extra quality at this level.
Harps - Will be Harps. "Physical", Northern, a fairly tough, fairly toothless, cookie.
Athlone - I've a sneaking suspicion (hope?!) they wont be as terrible as people suspect. Mike Kerley is generally able to get a good run out of even very ordinary teams if given time.... If he doesn't I reckon he'll be for the road either way. Will always try to play ball, which is refreshing in the First Division.
Mervue - Have probably gone backwards since last year, Ger Hanley gone, first full season without Gaffney, no sign of Tom King?? But then so has the Division so they'll probably stand still.
Wexford - Will be terrible. And we'll struggle against them.
Salthill Devon Galway - I know nothing about. They'd want to sign a few players to avoid being a bit of a joke though. Get browning points from me for moving to Terryland though!
Wow - 8 teams. EIGHT teams. :bulgy:
Just realised how rubbish it is typing there.
Nope. Not yet at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by sadloserkid
If push comes to shove and the FAI say jump are the Galway District League really going to say anything other then How High??