Roy Keane

Printable View

Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

08/05/2009, 11:14 AM
NeilMcD

Having read a lot of the posts on this forum I think its going to be impossible to get any real sensible debate when you have people who think that Keane is a psycho and others who think he is God.

I remember both him and Mick McCarthy as great players for Ireland and both of them were great captains for Ireland and I hope both of them do well in management.
08/05/2009, 11:33 AM
Razors left peg

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Having read a lot of the posts on this forum I think its going to be impossible to get any real sensible debate when you have people who think that Keane is a psycho and others who think he is God.

I remember both him and Mick McCarthy as great players for Ireland and both of them were great captains for Ireland and I hope both of them do well in management.

Ah come on now, there is no place for that sort of sensible thinking in a thread like this, you should get a warning from the mods for that that sort of thing!!:)
08/05/2009, 12:20 PM
jbyrne

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmurphyc

It's been widely reported as being true.

i've read elsewhere that elvis isnt dead.... but who knows

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

As for the Overmars tackle, that's yet another myth propogated by the media love in with RK, the Dutch ran us ragged following that tackle with Overmars in particular central to that, ending up with us going down to 10 men because of his form.

gary kelly was run ragged but i cant remember our goal being threatened too often that day to be honest
08/05/2009, 12:27 PM
jmurphyc

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbyrne

gary kelly was run ragged but i cant remember our goal being threatened too often that day to be honest

I can't remember the game too well so you may be right on Keane's challenge changing the match - in terms of us being in their faces - but from my hazy memory I remember them having quite a few chances and us looking like we'd find it difficult to hold them at bay.
08/05/2009, 12:55 PM
Noelys Guitar

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Read my previous posts on this and you will see that I can understand why McCarthy made those allegations to Keane. Keanes criticisms of Mc Carthys professionalism were and are as cutting as Mc Carthys comment to Keane in front of the players. If I was Pat Kenny last week it would have been the exact comment I would have asked. Did you not think that Mick Mc Carthy was every bit as hurt by your public comments, as you were by his comments at the team meeting about the Iran game.

Still does not get away from my other point in that I do not think Keane pulled out of the 2nd leg for no reason. I believe he was injured and not fit to play.

I can remember thinking watching the home game against Iran that Keane was carrying an injury. It looked like his hip was bothering him as he was'nt stretching out in his runs. Keane had also played with an injury in the home EU2000 game against Yugoslavia when MM was manager. The then Yugo manager commented on that after the game.
08/05/2009, 1:57 PM
Drumcondra 69er

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbyrne

i've read elsewhere that elvis isnt dead.... but who knows

gary kelly was run ragged but i cant remember our goal being threatened too often that day to be honest

You ignoring my point that Keane admitted it himself on Dunphy's show in 2003?

And were you at the match that day? Holland could have been 3 up after 20 minutes before we even got into the game, we were all over the place at the back. Selected chances below......

92 mins: Van Nistelrooy heads inches wide. McAteer is replaced by Andy O'Brien.

88 mins: Kluivert shoots over with his left foot.

78 mins: The Dutch pile on the pressure and Kluivert shoots into the side-netting from close-range during a goalmouth scramble.

62 mins: A dreadful mix-up between Given and Steve Staunton nearly gifts Holland the opening goal. Van Nistelrooy collides with Given and appeals for a penalty but the referee says 'no'.

53 mins: Overmars cuts in from the left to shoot and Given saves again.

54 mins: Given saves again from Overmars after Richard Dunne had given the ball away.

51 mins: Given saves from Van Nistelrooy.

15 mins: Holland waste another glorious chance as Zenden shoots straight at Given.

4 mins: Shay Given dives to his right to save a low shot from Van Bommel.

2 mins: A big let-off for the Republic as Patrick Kluivert shoots wide from a great position after dispossessing Gary Kelly.
08/05/2009, 2:24 PM
jbyrne

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

You ignoring my point that Keane admitted it himself on Dunphy's show in 2003?

And were you at the match that day? Holland could have been 3 up after 20 minutes before we even got into the game, we were all over the place at the back. Selected chances below......

92 mins: Van Nistelrooy heads inches wide. McAteer is replaced by Andy O'Brien.

88 mins: Kluivert shoots over with his left foot.

78 mins: The Dutch pile on the pressure and Kluivert shoots into the side-netting from close-range during a goalmouth scramble.

62 mins: A dreadful mix-up between Given and Steve Staunton nearly gifts Holland the opening goal. Van Nistelrooy collides with Given and appeals for a penalty but the referee says 'no'.

53 mins: Overmars cuts in from the left to shoot and Given saves again.

54 mins: Given saves again from Overmars after Richard Dunne had given the ball away.

51 mins: Given saves from Van Nistelrooy.

15 mins: Holland waste another glorious chance as Zenden shoots straight at Given.

4 mins: Shay Given dives to his right to save a low shot from Van Bommel.

2 mins: A big let-off for the Republic as Patrick Kluivert shoots wide from a great position after dispossessing Gary Kelly.

all ifs, buts and maybes. heres one from that match that did count...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ_l0d2r4Mo
08/05/2009, 2:31 PM
Drumcondra 69er

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbyrne

all ifs, buts and maybes. heres one from that match that did count...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ_l0d2r4Mo

Yeah, great to see and McAteer's goal was one of the best moments I experienced at Lansdowne but it must be all you remember from it if you think our goal was rarely threatened!

Up there with Cas v England in 1990 and the og v Spain in 89 when it comes to Lansdowne goals!
08/05/2009, 2:51 PM
jbyrne

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

Yeah, great to see and McAteer's goal was one of the best moments I experienced at Lansdowne but it must be all you remember from it if you think our goal was rarely threatened!

Up there with Cas v England in 1990 and the og v Spain in 89 when it comes to Lansdowne goals!

was a long time ago so memory is a blur! all that matters is that we won. think this topic, as all on roy tend to, has wandered just a tad! anyway, bring on more days like that one
08/05/2009, 3:33 PM
SkStu

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

That point is fair but it does not constitute feigning injury. Did Keane leave after the 1st leg in the best circumstances. No, is Roy Keane perfect No. Did he make mistakes for Ireland as captain, yes loads of them. Did Mick McCarthy do a good job for Ireland, yes. Did he make loads of mistakes as manager yes. Was he right to insult Roy Keane in front of his team mates with an allegation of feigning injury. No Was Roy Keane previous to that right in slamming the facilities in front of the media in interviews with the Irish Times, No he was not.

This whole case was a sorry scenario were the two main guys did not behave properly in my view. The problem is so many people wish to see this either from a Roy Keane was right on Mick Mc Carthy was right perspective. Like loads of things the truth is in the grey, not the black and white.

if i could double thank this post, i would.
08/05/2009, 6:08 PM
Stuttgart88

yep, it's a pretty intelligent view alright.

The Keane tackle on Overmars announced that we were up fora game alright, but D69er is right, we were blessed to get a result taht day. In fact had we deservedly lost the knives would have been out. Instead it was one of our very best wins ever.

That's why sport is great - unpredicatable things happen, as I was trying to point out to some perpetual gloom merchants here prior to Bari.

Yes, Keane was immense in that game and at home to Portugal and away to Cyprus. I don't think anyone's denying it.
08/05/2009, 6:20 PM
carloz

Im fairly sure that i read that only two managers voted for Keane to be worlc player of the year in 2001. One of them was Louis Van Gaal, the other was the Portuguesse manager at the time. Says a lot indeed
08/05/2009, 6:23 PM
bennocelt

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbyrne

i've read elsewhere that elvis isnt dead.... but who knows

gary kelly was run ragged but i cant remember our goal being threatened too often that day to be honest

dont know about that - that was one of the most one sided games i have ever seen - jesus how the hello holland didnt win i will never know (that and the fact van gaal and his bizarre substitutions):eek:
12/05/2009, 4:46 PM
woodie

I hear that Bill Murray is doing a sequel to Groundhog Day. In the storyline, he argues with everyone about Saipan for seven years until the realise that everyone else has moved on....
17/05/2009, 12:01 AM
Wexford Delboy

Keane up against shearer next year??:cool:
17/05/2009, 3:00 AM
tricky_colour

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wexford Delboy

Keane up against shearer next year??:cool:

What boxing :D - That shoud be fun, he is sure to do better then Ricky Hatton anyway!
20/05/2009, 9:30 AM
OwlsFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wexford Delboy

Keane up against shearer next year??:cool:

Shearer won't be kept on if Newcastle are relegated and he wouldn't be interested either I think. His job was to keep the Magpies in the Premiership. Not looking too promising at the moment.

Now McCarthy and Keane will be interesting. Oh, hang on a second, Mick's team will be playing in the Premiership.

As for Ireland vs Holland. We were blessed that day but this was all that mattered. Undoubtedly my highlight of Lansdowne, Croke Park or Dalymount. The fact that it was against our bete noirs, the Dutch, made it doubly sweet:

http://www.roguery.com/outings/hollandgame/mac.jpg
20/05/2009, 9:50 AM
Stuttgart88

AGreat photo.

A fraction after he hit it I thought he had hit it over the bar. I was in the East Upper. I was stunned when I saw the net bulge.
20/05/2009, 10:06 AM
OwlsFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

AGreat photo.

A fraction after he hit it I thought he had hit it over the bar. I was in the East Upper. I was stunned when I saw the net bulge.

The large guy in the blue shirt at the front had no doubts it was on the way in.

I couldn't get the song "My mamma always told me there'd be days like this" out of my head for weeks after this game. Whenever I hear it, I immediately recall that game.

Up there with Mackay's goal against Bulgaria, Houghton's double against England and Italy and Robbie's against Germany.
20/05/2009, 10:17 AM
youngirish

Quote:

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Shearer won't be kept on if Newcastle are relegated and he wouldn't be interested either I think. His job was to keep the Magpies in the Premiership. Not looking too promising at the moment.

Now McCarthy and Keane will be interesting. Oh, hang on a second, Mick's team will be playing in the Premiership.

As for Ireland vs Holland. We were blessed that day but this was all that mattered. Undoubtedly my highlight of Lansdowne, Croke Park or Dalymount. The fact that it was against our bete noirs, the Dutch, made it doubly sweet:

What everyone seems to forget is that we only needed a draw for that game to more or less ensure we qualified instead of the Dutch from what I remember so its a stretch to say we were blessed. The Dutch never looked like they were going to win that game at any stage though granted they had a few chances to grab an equaliser.

Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page