Standard Comer brothers strategy and well known too. Buy distressed assets and sit on them for years. The Sentinel building in Sandyford is a good example. Google has all the details, it's no secret.
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Standard Comer brothers strategy and well known too. Buy distressed assets and sit on them for years. The Sentinel building in Sandyford is a good example. Google has all the details, it's no secret.
It's in danger of falling over into the Ballisodare River, the foundations are subsiding, the site is not secured and anybody kids included can access it, nobody has ever lived there and nobody ever will it needs to be tossed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
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Originally Posted by sbgawa
Haha what? They certainly don't do everything right and I'm a Galway United fan! They are not even well liked down here, they have half of Galway bought up and a lot of it is sitting idle and derelict.
Derry and Crusaders have launched legal action against Gordon Lyon’s in regards of being overlooked in the recent grant awards….
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/spo...VB3aur5O19MZgw
https://magnumlady.com/2024/03/11/th...igo-revisited/Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Appreciate the detail. This is exactly what I meant in anothr thread where govt. et al neglect enforcement of regulations, imposing taxes on hoarding land and complex holdings manipulating supply, not using the derelict site act, not threatening compulsory purchase at significantly below market rates for purpoose of social housing. The mechanisms exist after the ghost estates debacle of the last decade. It is in part how SDCC took on Tallaght Stadium when SRFC couldnt manage or secure the development when it was becoming derelict and dangerous. There arguably could be a case fo Donegal CoCo in Stranrolar but it'd be more likely they would demolish to secure the site if Harps were not trying to sort it. I suspect that under this weeks new tax breaks for apartment complex sales that something will happen on this one. Its an eyesore due to its dereliction though rather than the development being poor. I dont like it when old buildings like Mills are demolished. Plenty have been restored and repurposed retaining the original building character.
So true, I done a bit of survey work in Galway and a good few of the vacant properties led back to Comers, including some retail that had nothing visible wrong with them but were boarded up.Quote:
Originally Posted by TVFBLOCKF
Half the city is vacant if you look close enough and yet we can't build hotels quick enough to cater for our new status as a city exclusively made for travelling tourists.Quote:
Originally Posted by redarmyfaction
It's hard to know for sure what the strategy is, derelict and empty sites/buildings are rateable, however there are exceptions and clawbacks and I suppose people like the Comers are probably good at making good on those exceptions so landlords and property owners at scale are probably incentivised to restrict supply to keep rents high/ stable in the portion of their portfolio that is let.Quote:
Originally Posted by CorribsideSteve
Looks like another 2 year delay on Dalymount redevelopment, with 2029 now the new date for opening. €63 million is an absolutely insane cost for an 8 thousand capacity stadium with no real scope to develop proper stands behind either goal. It probably shows how mad building costs have gone in recent years I guess, but that figure still seems very very high
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/d...e-to-over-63m/
Abandon those plans, keep the jodi and put in permanent stands on the school and Connaught St sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract
Massively frustrating. Nothing but planning and waffle, but tallaght took an age to move on and just look at harps, a mad situation when you think govt can just shell out a million on a gridiron game seemingly on the spur of the moment.
As touched on in a sep thread, new pitch and replacement LUX lights are needed at Dundalk, they have 80% of the funding in place, not sure re the rest as obv still paying off historical debt.
Personally, I think FAI should force the club to make immediate improvements to away end (and also roof other side of the main stand - open seating albeit better view) as a condition of a Licence. Not a huge amount of time to get all of this completed by before new season but they have to start.
It's actually quite upsetting reading that article, and i'll tell you this, analysing how it's been framed, I wouldn't surprised if someone's setting it up to pull the plans altogether. And I'm not saying that to stir ****e either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dermobohs
Agree, leave the pitch as it and upgrade the surface, revamp the Jodi, new stands at the school end and Connaught st side and make something that holds 1000 at the shopping center end for away support. Capacity circa 10,000 and it would cost far less than what was reported todayQuote:
Originally Posted by redarmyfaction
Its nuts at 64 million and counting.
I agree with above , would be better to upgrade the existing and move on.
It could be done in parts as well without the need for Bohs to move out...maybe
If they can delay to the next bust cycle there are savigs to be made. If there is a grant application for architects modifications and resubission thats what is happening. Now can this development get in to the sort of average LoI development timescale?
Do ye still own part of the Tramway end?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinkicker
Looks like the new Dalyer won't be allowed to host European league phase games?
Thats a lot of money for something that won't be useable if bohs get that far someday.
If that’s true it’s absolute insanity,64 million and you can’t host group games,you’d despair….Quote:
Originally Posted by ontheotherhand
I'm guessing that's due to something like not enough car parking spaces ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ontheotherhand
It surely has to be something space related or how the hell else couldn't they achieve that for the money involved ?
Minimum 8,000 seats which Dalymount won't have. Possibly lacking some other features but capacity is a major missed opportunity either way. Going back to the drawing board probably isn't a feasible option either given how far down the road they are with planning and funding approval. I wonder if they've considered increasing the sizes of the stands by way of amendment application. Probably not as it would increase the cost further.
Rte reported that it was partly due to bohs decision to have safe standing instead of seats....can't find the article now. Anyone know if that's true?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigEars
It's in this thread, according to this, it was Bohs who ruled out a Cat 4 ground - https://x.com/Irish_Grounds/status/1985449737643073536Quote:
Originally Posted by ontheotherhand
That's crazy. The northside of Dublin should have at least one Cat 4 stadium. Especially as it's publicly-owned. Would then work in Europe for not just Bohs, but also Shels, Drogheda, Dundalk.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
That's....something else. Suppose it will still be fine for their European friendlies.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
Jokes aside, I totally get the attraction of safe standing and wish we had it in Tallaght, but to sacrifice playing big European ties at home for it seems a bit ridiculous. Surprised the council agreed to let them make any decisions on those lines tbh.
Do German sides not have safe standing that converts into seating for Euro games?
And Celtic too I think?
There’s talk of introducing safe standing in the South Stand. No idea of timelines though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ontheotherhand
Smaller associations really should be at UEFA looking for dispensation for Cat 3 stadia for the majority of games. Ok if you end up playing Arsenal like Dundalk did then move to the Aviva Cat 4 standard. But if playing say Breidablik in group stages than Cat 3 should suffice as long as there are minimums like VAR. There is no need for media areas for 10000 journos, or 10000 VIP freebie tickets. Maybe there could be a time limit aspect to dispensation to get things up to Cat 4 but many criteria are not needed - would Dundalk need a 8k minimum capacity stadium to be able to play European games at home with an average gate of 3k domestically? In an era of significant inflation, talk of carbon neutral development etc well building significantly more than what is needed hardly fits these objectives. I know Bohs could probably do with more than 6k, but integrating what exists, refurbish the Jodi Stand, new stand the opposite side and convertable terracing behind one or both goals could be phased starting with the new stand.
There are plenty of stadia in the UK that are bespoke shoehorned in to very tight footprint due to the prefab tech used rather than poured concrete. Vicarage Road is an interesting one for unusual shape site and many groundws are right up against housing - they comply for UEFA games. So maybe a rethink is needed, get a non Iirsh company that isnt on the gravy train in. €65M+ is just mad even in todays climate and stinks of gouging public money.
I don't think there was an option of 8k+ seating vs 8K+ seating and standing. It was more or less 6k seating between the 2 pitchside stands plus whatever you can squeeze in behind the goals. Terracing makes more sense in that case because you can squeeze more in. The areas behind the goal look odd as they are in the plan anyway, they'd look even odder trying to get seats in I think. I do wonder if they had put raised stands in the design could they have fit more in and still kept the pathway, with the pathway being more underneath the stand as opposed to behind it. Also feels like a fair bit of the design of the pitchside stands is done a certain way to avoid objections (stand height, gradient and light). I wouldn't know enough about costs but comparing cost to greenfield site is inaccurate/irrelevant unless suggesting scraping Dalymount altogether and developing on a greenfield site - which is a fair enough opinion but not the side I'd generally fall on.Quote:
Originally Posted by ontheotherhand
My understanding is that Cat4 was ruled out long, long ago due to the additional facilities required, not seating capacity alone. That twitter post looks more like it relates to a misunderstanding/misuse of the term "Cat4" vs "all seater", perhaps accurately reporting what was said at the meeting. I didn't watch the meeting personally.
That's fair enough. I've read a lot of stuff about this plan that I would be taking with a large pinch of salt. That the pitch was rotated because UEFA prefer north/south aspects for pitches being one. Saw that on Twitter. Could be true, seems insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by bohsmug
I just hope it actually gets done at this point. I'd have no problem enjoying bohs being homeless for a while but we need you in a proper ground. There can be no light without the dark after all, and it's a bonus that you can't say much about our council owned stadium anymore.
According to Derry club officials, there seems to be a realisation about this. Heard it was expected to be brought in for this season, but no word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
The changes would also allow safe standing to all clubs.
With smaller clubs more regularly qualifying for league competition, it just makes sense.
Heard the council are adding the corners in too. Will be nice and cozy.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
Shels' Tolka 250 year lease with DCC has been completed today
https://shelbournefc.ie/shelbourne-f...een-completed/
Yeah and before games everyone must bow in the direction of Geneva! Eh no pitch orientation is not an issue. What is is the ability to grow grass if that is the surface and that has to do with light artificial or natural so height of stands, roofing material etc are relevant. Some light reading for those that could be bothered. https://editorial.uefa.com/resources...guidelines.pdf P125 for pitch stuff. Its would be genuinely be of interest to clubs who are serious about any sustainable development. No brainers - waste/rainwater capture for watering pitches, flushing bogs etc etc. Doesnt specify needing to have bees...Quote:
Originally Posted by ontheotherhand
Any major capital investment requirements or has a lot of the required work been done that were written in to the original lease proposal?Quote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
Really minor observation recently, when watching Drogs v Bohs, whenever they cut to the really high level drone shots the ground roofs looked like there would collapse at any moment with the rust. Eve just to make the last a bit longer some auld metal paint is needed to stop eroding through, Shels also, the barrel roof could be spruced up. Throw the state of Oriel up but roofs are fie whetever abou the rest.
Looking at the new Dalymount Park upgrade, what is the capacity for the proposed terracing behind both goals, the Des Kelly & Tramway ends?
Roughly 700 standing where Jodi is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by nr637
Roughly 1,300 standing on Connaught Street side (mono stand side).
Roughly 3,000 seats in each pitch side stand.
What is the the main reason in the design for turning the pitch 180', could they have created a 10,000 seated capacity stadium from its current pitch surrounding position!