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As much as I’d love to hear more baseless speculation about which provincial towns could magically concoct a senior football structure out of thin air in the next few months, here:s some actual news : there’ll be 16 clubs involved, not 20. As you would imagine, the requirements around facilities proved too exacting for most applicants. The initial season will run from September to December. Source is an FAI board member
It seems more than 60 applicants are being whittled down to 16. If academy criteria is part of LoI licencing, possibly only 3 of 16 would be eligible for promotion to the First Division, subject to meeting other criteria.
A fourth tier coming into consideration for those missing the cut might resemble more broadly what a pyramid will look like in practice. Clubs getting to a certain level but not meeting the criteria to go higher unless they achieve the necessary licencing requirements.
It'll be interesting in time to see what level the LSL and MSL will align at, and also if there will be regional leagues formed at a similar level for district leagues to potentially feed in to.
If any new regions then were to follow in the footsteps of Kerry to build through the youth leagues upwards, there should be an agreeable level that a club like that could join.
Anything below level 3 is a pipe dream. I’d say we’re getting the A Championship mark II and that’s it
Burnsie - is that 16 including B teams?
This one is too fantastic to delete. Can I pin this post somewhere? Top work.Quote:
Originally Posted by nr637
Obviously I think everyone would like to have got the 20 but 16 for the first season is near enough as to be no differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Burnsie
I don't know, sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Obviously if 10 of the 16 are B teams, then you're looking at only 6 teams interested in joining the LoI (and meeting criteria I guess), which is pretty crappy after all the time spent on it.
There might only be six teams ready now but lots of other clubs showed an interest. They now know what they need to do to make the step up. Some of them probably will start working towards that and some will think it's too much for them.
Six teams joining the LOI though is a positive thing
I am still hoping that promotion to the second tier is a possibility for B teams
I also think the fact that clubs were rejected shows that a) there was an actual process with criteria and b) a focus on getting it right rather than letting 4 more in to met the target
Though obliviously as has been pointed out 16 new clubs v 10 B Teams is a huge difference
Yes and no. If they're weak teams and if there's no interest from the MSL/LSL, then it may have no real impact at all. If there was a move from the LSL/MSL into a regional third tier, then longer-term that would have a much better impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckett
Right - what's everyone's guesses as to who the lucky 16 are? Let's see your lists ! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
(I jest... ;))
Theres definite insight here. By pulling high performers from the local game in it knits things together otherwise skeptical. Additionally of LSL/MSL/Former USL sides see know value in it youd be afraid conventional wisdom will kill itQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Limerick FC social media sources posting about entering an exciting new phase with details to follow.........third tier entrants! 🤔
cant be dismissed ,looking to enter more underage academy teams and what with current developements at Treaty anything is possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by nr637
Lucan Utd posted a few days ago that there was big.news coming
So, there are 20 teams out there and I doubt we will be seeing any B teams!
I doubt there'll be many non Shamrock Rovers fans who'll be in agreement with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
If any B teams are allowed into tier 3, I think it's best for the game (although not your particular club) if they can't enter the First Division.
Underwhelming if so. Pessimism understandable. If true - so much for the glossy Football Pathways Plan, setting out a 12-year vision to “maximise the potential of Irish football across all levels.”, that might just wind up collecting dust on the shelf like plans that have come and gone before it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burnsie
Small grounds for optimism are when Bray and Cabinteely merged, there was no stopgap in 2022. The big push to try and get all leagues aligned to the calendar year season was initially a positive move anyway before the push back. If the third tier is about quality and not quantity, that'll be positive too.
Time will tell if the A Championship mark II is it. Getting buy in from top district league clubs to join regional leagues will be a key step. If regional leagues get off the ground, linking regional leagues to the third tier should be smoother. If regional leagues don't get off the ground, it will be a case of getting the A Championship mark II and that’s it.
Derry not in talks with Sam Todd, so we can all assume he's definitely away to Bohs.
Chat of Ben Doherty following him, which would be strange. Always did the job for us, but maybe he's thinking he won't get as much game time next season, especially if McClean is coming in.
Wrong thread there but on McClean - did he play in the A Championship for Derry when he was breaking through?Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_�ire
youd wonder about the connection between Rovers and Lucan if they are in the National LeagueQuote:
Originally Posted by The Bowler
Lucan probably announcing their annual game with us, i cant see them.going Nathional league
"Although we weren’t chosen this time, the message from the selection committee was clear,
Trim Celtic has made a powerful impression and is now a serious contender for the national league pyramid.
We commend the efforts of our Tier 3 sub committee in preparing the submission and thank the FAI for their constructive feedback."
It was a positive reaction from Trim during the week anyway, despite missing out. The 2022 selection process for the First Division seemed to go professionally as well. Small positive signs that tiered expansion might be a thorough enough assessment process - that should ensure the new tier is built on solid foundations, and possibly more tiered expansion is actually achievable, despite understandable pessimism.
How much of the FAI's Third Tier application selection process will be based on facilities such as ground access, spectator capacity, covered seating and general layout and construction of an exsistng clubs venue!
I'm not sure if you're just trolling at this point but I'll engage with you in good faith.
As has been pointed out a number of times on this thread, facilities are the key criterion and there are very few examples at the requisite standard around the country, outside current LOI venues (many of which, of course, are themselves probably grandfathered in despite shortcomings....)
Don't and can't know until there is news and even then this is an unanswerable questionQuote:
Originally Posted by nr637
The Third Tier seems to be a done deal more or less for the end of next year. The youth leagues for a new age grade used to start off with a short season as well. U17 with a truncated season in 2015 and U15 in 2017. Seems a tried and tested introduction for a new league.
It'll be interesting to hear what noises come out about the fourth tier plans, if any.
1) Likely timescale, if in the pipeline.
2) Will it be split into two regions like the Third Tier or split into more regions. If the fourth tier has 3 or 4 regions, does linking to the MSL and LSL nearly become the next step by default.
3) At what stage are the MSL and LSL likely to become the next tier, if at all, and will there be regional leagues at a similar level.
I'd say the FAI would be wise to give the new 3rd tier a few years to bed in and get fully up and running before making any waves about a 4th tier. Especially as that is likely to be about re-engineering what already exists, and thereby ruffling feathers and stepping on toes. They need to view the creation of a genuine pyramid here as a 5 or so year project, and not something to be rushed through.Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
Some of the nonsense here is almost worse than the suggestion lists of teams.
There's been no mention anywhere of just 16 teams.
Theres been no mention anywhere of B teams.
There's been no discussion about a fourth tier. So suggestions towards that can be put on the back burner for now rather than derailing things even further.
In fairness, the first line of the first post is "lets list possible teams for the proposed North and South Divisions." The thread is what it is, pure speculation.
Anyways, we're almost at the end of November now, so we'll soon find out what's happening.
I should report you for accusing me of trolling as I am not deliberately trying to upset you or others online, it is for the administrators to monitor. I totally support of the new National League third tier format and am entitled to post my view here. I would appreciate if you could refrain from your type of post. Please comment fairly and do not make claims just cause you don't accept someone's opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burnsie
But thats the idea of a forum, people comment and add opinions that create the discussion. It,s all in good form as people are talking about a game they just love!Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
I think everyone agrees that the main idea behind the fornmtion of a new National league is to expand the LOI into counties/areas that are not currently represented, which is a driving factor for clubs in Kildare, Carlow, Kilkenny, Meath, Wicklow, and Offaly.
Ah, I think people get tired of repetitive baseless lists though.Quote:
Originally Posted by nr637
An FAI board member told a meeting last week that it'll be 16 teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
And Mark Scanlon is on record (for instance on LOI Central a couple of years ago) saying that the plan is (or was) for a fourth tier to be bolted on in the future.
Especially as the conjecture just fogs the whole issue, and makes it difficult to keep sight of who actually has applied.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Fair enough and totally understand, I suppose its how most discussions go until there is some real news or statement on the next stage of the plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu