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31/05/2006, 1:42 PM
higgins

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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

Which will be miles too late. How come fans of other clubs know exactly who Ollie has sold out to and exactly who bailed him out with the Revenue yet you lot don't seem bothered by the implications? I'm baffled TBH.

KOH

What are these implications ?
31/05/2006, 1:43 PM
R�iteoir

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Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

Which will be miles too late. How come fans of other clubs know exactly who Ollie has sold out to and exactly who bailed him out with the Revenue yet you lot don't seem bothered by the implications? I'm baffled TBH.

KOH

Heads seem to be either firmly in the sand or firmly up Oily's arse - you can't see any kind of picture from either of those places
31/05/2006, 1:43 PM
Breifne

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Originally Posted by R�iteoir

Rankings and points distribution for the four seasons from 2002/03 - 1 Shelbourne (300), 2 Longford Town (290), 3 Cork City (280), 4 Bohemians (270), 5 Derry City (260), 6 Drogheda United (250), 7 St Patrick's Athletic (240), 8 Shamrock Rovers (230), 9 Waterford United (220), 10 UCD (210), 11 Bray Wanderers (200), 12 Finn Harps (190), 13 Dublin City (180), 14 Sligo Rovers (170), 15 Galway United (160), 16 Kildare County (150), 17 Cobh Ramblers (140), 18 Limerick (130), 19 Dundalk (120), 20 Kilkenny City (110), 21 Monaghan United (100), 22 Athlone Town (90).

My records indicate the following

Club Pts Final Pts 5 Sea. Diff FAI Rank
Longford Town 115 300 270 +30 2
Cork City 112 290 280 +10 3
Bohemians 108.5 280 300 -20 4
Shelbourne 104 270 260 +10 1
Derry City 102 260 290 -30 5
Drogheda United 90 250 230 +20 6
St. Patricks Athletic 90 240 250 -10 7
Waterford United 83 230 210 +20 9
Shamrock Rovers 80 220 240 -20 8
UCD 73 210 220 -10 10
Bray Wanderers 63 200 200 0 11
Finn Harps 57 190 190 0 12
Dublin City 50 180 180 0 13
Sligo Rovers 46 170 160 +10 14
Galway United 44 160 170 -10 15
Kildare County 40 150 130 +20 16
Cobh Ramblers 36 140 140 0 17
Limerick 28 130 120 +10 18
Dundalk 27 120 150 -30 19
Kilkenny City 23 110 110 0 20
Monaghan United 20 100 100 0 21
Athlone Town 19 90 90 0 22

As you can see the 4 / 5 season issue has a huge impact on 15 on the league clubs, and as it may come down to the difference in a few points at the end of the day it seems a little bit strange. I think this shows the holes in the entire system. Especially the FAI seem to have some fixation with the FAI getting Shelbourne to the top of the table.

I have the actual records in excel, if anyone wants them.

Shelbourne have been awarded 9.5 points for their european adventure in 2004 with an allocation of 7.5 points for their games in 2005.
Even the most ardent reds fan would have to admit their record doesn't match up. If you were to apply this scoring system (1 point for a win, .5 for a draw) Liverpool (Champions League Winners (2004-2005) would have recieved a total of 10 points, half a point more than Shelbourne. Slightly worrying.

The other thing is that the Official consideration document from the FAI states five years, and names specific seasons, they can't move the goalposts during the course of consideration.
31/05/2006, 1:46 PM
R�iteoir

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Originally Posted by Breifne

I have the actual records in excel, if anyone wants them.

Could you send them through to me - could make for interesting reading
31/05/2006, 1:55 PM
Jerry The Saint

Anyone still in any doubt as to the shoddiness of these new proposals?

Obviously, Shelbourne have the best League record over the 4/5 season's in question but all figures calculated by people on here have them down the list, due to their poor cup form (which in itself shows the flawed nature of the rankings). The FAI MUST publish the full breakdown of how they have fudged their own criteria to put Shels on top - the plausibility of this whole operation depends on it.

On a side note - you know the 1000 points that are to be divvied up by the Independent Assessment Group? I'd like to be the first person to officially call these 'Niall Quinn's Disco Points'.
31/05/2006, 1:58 PM
Roverstillidie

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Originally Posted by higgins

What are these implications ?

are you asking what the implications of being evicted from tolka, possibly this year, without any plans for a new stadium are? :confused:
31/05/2006, 2:00 PM
Breifne

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Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint

Anyone still in any doubt as to the shoddiness of these new proposals?

Obviously, Shelbourne have the best League record over the 4/5 season's in question but all figures calculated by people on here have them down the list, due to their poor cup form (which in itself shows the flawed nature of the rankings). The FAI MUST publish the full breakdown of how they have fudged their own criteria to put Shels on top - the plausibility of this whole operation depends on it.

On a side note - you know the 1000 points that are to be divvied up by the Independent Assessment Group? I'd like to be the first person to officially call these 'Niall Quinn's Disco Points'.

I have a hard copy of the official FAI scoring system here. Its pants, mistakes all over the shop. trying to get it scanned now
31/05/2006, 2:16 PM
Hitman

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Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint

I'd like to be the first person to officially call these 'Niall Quinn's Disco Points'.

I feel the entire decision-making process should be turned over to you immediately purely on the basis of that comment.
31/05/2006, 2:39 PM
WeAreRovers

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Originally Posted by higgins

What are these implications ?

Eh, homelessness and all that goes with it............

BTW This mess with the 4/5 seasons points is an open invitation to legal proceedings.

KOH
31/05/2006, 2:54 PM
Mr A

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BTW This mess with the 4/5 seasons points is an open invitation to legal proceedings.

Most probably just one of many.

There should definately have been points awarded for most effective legal challenge to the new proposals.
31/05/2006, 2:56 PM
R�iteoir

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Originally Posted by Galway Harps

Most probably just one of many.

There should definately have been points awarded for most effective legal challenge to the new proposals.

The FAI have already factored that in.

How else do you think Shels managed to go from 4th or so straight to the top?
31/05/2006, 2:56 PM
Ash

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Originally Posted by Galway Harps

Most probably just one of many.

There should definately have been points awarded for most effective legal challenge to the new proposals.

Ahhh fcuk. 2000/01 season was our only decent one in tha last 5. That was
the promotion play-off year, since then we've been re-election fodder :(
31/05/2006, 3:00 PM
Schumi

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Originally Posted by Ash

Ahhh fcuk. 2000/01 season was our only decent one in tha last 5. That was
the promotion play-off year, since then we've been re-election fodder :(

It's the season after that that's been dropped.
31/05/2006, 3:12 PM
manic da hoop

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Originally Posted by higgins

What are these implications ?

Say no more:rolleyes:
31/05/2006, 3:19 PM
sullanefc

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Originally Posted by Galway Harps

This comes from today's Independent. It shows that the FAI didn't put a hell of a lot of thought into the system given that they missed the Kildare issue. While like most here I feel that there is much that is good in the proposals, there's no denying that it's still pretty half-assed. Still the clubs will be railroaded into it and the wheels will probably come off down the line a bit.

It also shows that the FAI did not work out the individual scores prior to releasing the conditions which further shows that they did not weigh the scoring system in favour of some of the "favoured clubs".

This would dispel much of the accusations from UCD fans that the FAI are trying to make out the scoring system to suit certain teams.
31/05/2006, 3:24 PM
John83

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Originally Posted by sullanefc

This would dispel much of the accusations from UCD fans that the FAI are trying to make out the scoring system to suit certain teams.

Answer this one please:

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Originally Posted by R�iteoir

Rankings and points distribution for the four seasons from 2002/03 - 1 Shelbourne (300), 2 Longford Town (290), 3 Cork City (280), 4 Bohemians (270)

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Originally Posted by Breifne

My records indicate the following

Club Pts Final Pts 5 Sea. Diff FAI Rank
Longford Town 115 300 270 +30 2
Cork City 112 290 280 +10 3
Bohemians 108.5 280 300 -20 4
Shelbourne 104 270 260 +10 1
...

Shelbourne have been awarded 9.5 points for their european adventure in 2004 with an allocation of 7.5 points for their games in 2005.
Even the most ardent reds fan would have to admit their record doesn't match up. If you were to apply this scoring system (1 point for a win, .5 for a draw) Liverpool (Champions League Winners (2004-2005) would have recieved a total of 10 points, half a point more than Shelbourne. Slightly worrying.
31/05/2006, 4:05 PM
seand

I just love the line about the FAI "discovering" that Kildare are only in the league 4 years.

The people who are deciding our futures have just "discovered" Kildare County... GOD HELP US ALL.
31/05/2006, 4:10 PM
Red4Eva

http://www.irishfootballonline.com/n...hp?newsid=4730

desperate circumstances call for desperate measures. must borrow a leinster jersey off sum1 next time we're playin in belfield
31/05/2006, 4:12 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by sullanefc

This would dispel much of the accusations from UCD fans that the FAI are trying to make out the scoring system to suit certain teams.

(a) No such direct accusation has been made. It's merely been stated that's it's nonsense, unfair in general and that we're likely to suffer.
(b) In any event, it doesn't dispel any such accusations. What's at issue is the fact that attendances and geography are being used as criteria. The fact that the 2001/02 on-field criteria are now being excluded doesn't change this in the slightest.
31/05/2006, 4:14 PM
Schumi

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Originally Posted by Red4Eva

must borrow a leinster jersey off sum1 next time we're playin in belfield

It's a one-off promotion as far as I know. Sorry!

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