You could have Klopp in charge of this lot, and we wouldn't qualify out of this group either. So we keep doing what we are doing, come what may.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trequartista20
The brits lost in Denmark to tonight. Presumably after spending 85 minutes with the bus firmly parked in it's own box. How many more points than us did they get? 0.
That's what some people want us to go back to. Pragmatic, turgid, unsuccessful muck, and another €3mn down the drain.
For Monday so (which may be a point to split the thread)
Doherty is suspended. Probably just a one-match ban? Was stupid but not dangerous
Idah has to be dropped. We can't afford goal-shy forwards against Gibraltar at home.
I'd like to see Johnston start for his ability to run at weak teams (he didn't have much impact tonight though). Browne for Doherty?
I think we should be able to make minimum changes and run comfortably here. But they've only lost 3-0 at home to France and Holland; maybe they've shored up.
But really we need a convincing win on Monday - and we then play Holland and France in September...
Things we may as well realise
Forget Josh Cullen.. he's too small.. he'll be out of the Burnley team after 3/4 games in the Premier League, and will make a good career for himself moving to different Championship teams
O Dowda isn't related to an international footballer
Give Mc Clean a huge send off Monday night, it'll be his last game
Obafemi needs to start with Ferguson. Parrot or Idah can replace Ferguson when he's wrecked.
Jason Knight shouldn't be playing international from League 1
Are you seriously blaming Bazunu for tonight? Not sure why anyone would even entertain your other points with that as your opener.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Senior players coming out and talking in monotone clichés about the game, almost ignorant of how important a game it was we lost, and talking about Gibralter.....
The players have stopped playing for the manager.
That's it. Finito.
It's hardly difficult to see during the game. It was woeful. And they care. But not under Kenny. They don't care anymore.
I don't necessarily disagree with you but if not Cullen then who? Even if he is only ever going to be a good Championship player, he's still better than any other option we have right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Insidetherock
I wonder what they worked on in Turkey. Whatever it was, Greece punched them in the face early on and it went out the window. They looked completely lost tonight.
He took responsibility and said the job comes with criticism and he has to take it tonight.
Random - possibly pointless - stat.
Kenny has taken one point from his first two games across his four qualifying campaigns.
Every campaign has basically been over before it began
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Truly, there is no delusion like mypost delusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Imagine being on the bench tonight?
On the plane home are you thinking "I can't get into THIS squad??"
Jeff Hendrick, Alan Browne and Jamie McGrath will be fuming alright. How dare they not be pickedQuote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
I’d say f right off with that. We’ve a golden generation. But at the back, get rid of it. We aren’t Man City. Launch it away and try again. Keep passing, but not at the back
Sam Smozich looking at the thinking he can’t get into the squad. Kenny needs to go now
It’s weird how we’ve had both ends of the extrems of “this is the worst crop of players we’ve ever had” to “this is a golden generation” on here tonight LOL.
My opinion - it’s somewhere in between but we should absolutely be doing better (results and performances) with this crop than we are.
Yup. Golden generation and not one of them can get their game in the Premier League (or Serie A or La Liga)? There's an oxymoron right there.
I had feared a performance like tonight. I don't even mind it - as a one-off. But it's too often now. I think there has to be more in the squad than that. Greece were deserving winners but weren't great really, especially up front
It's a golden generation in the same sense that Donald Trump has a golden toilet.
There is no desire for 9/10ths of these players to go on and achieve anything on the international stage. They are well paid to sit on the bench in substandard english leagues. They've made it financially, reached their ceiling of ambition and now they can freewheel into football obscurity. Doesn't matter who is in the dugout.
Yes, and John o Shea, splinter arse, coaching them in collecting wages from the bench!
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Originally Posted by Yard of Pace
Outthought by Gus Poyet. Says it all really, doesn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
Everyone and everything is the problem apart from the person who is actually the problem. Beyond parody.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
(Not to mention a ridiculous shot at the one player who could walk off the park with his head held high.)
A fan of the north on the wind up perhaps. No other explanation for it.
It's clear that Stephen Kenny got his selection wrong last night as evidenced by his half-time sub and the early second-half changes. I'm a huge admirer of his optimistic defiance and how he insists that his teams try to impose their games on opponents no matter who or where, but it's not working. Is that down to tactical approach or does it go back to the relative lack of quality? Egan and Doherty said preparations couldn't have gone better...
A highly frustrating game to watch and it is hard to see where we are going with performances like that. A lot of people in the media have the knives out now and at this point it's hard to muster any sort of optimism. Limp defeats to Luxembourg, Armenia and Greece. Defeats to Portugal and France held up as moral victories to be celebrated ("look at how well we played") but you could argue we blew those games too (as Roy Keane famously said about the draw against the Netherlands in Amsterdam back in 2000).
What is going on here?