If that the UEFA equivalent of parachute payments in the English leagues ?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
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If that the UEFA equivalent of parachute payments in the English leagues ?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Totall agree with this, for one min when I heard the 5k mentioned I was thinking maybe a chance as no more than 5 LOI games would probably exceed that in any season, then I immediately thought its really a benchmark not an exact limit, meaning just about any large attended event will not get the go ahead, GAA summer schedule, the usual summer concerts, other festivals etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by joey B
Imagine also saying to your family, I'm away to wathc the Harps, Dundalk, Sligo etc, see you in 3 hours ! plus all of the other spots would be closed, bars and food places close to the ground, etc, its not happening lads.
Fair play to Pat's for going with a decision as it's clear that there'll be no LOI football this year.
Lots of silly talk about, including from the FAI CEO, after the government announcement yesterday which was totally unrelated to us. Does he really think Dalymount with effectively one stand or the likes of Finn Park or Oriel can open up safely in June or any time in 2020?
LOI facilities cannot in any way cope with a return for the foreseeable as social distancing will remain in place for a long time to come. Behind closed doors isn't really a runner here.
Time for the FAI, and everyone else concerned, to accept it as it is and put together a longer term plan. February 2021 should be the aim. Even that might be optimistic in hindsight.
Read somewhere that 12/13 of our players are out of contract at the end of this year. Why continue paying out silly wages when the league is almost certain not to be resumed? Unusually for a top team we have no real assets, in terms of potential sell on values, with the exception of maybe Leahy and Cleary, and nobody bar Rovers are going to pay silly wages, so by laying off players I wouldn't be too bothered about losing some completely if that were to happen.
That said, all this certainly leaves the 4 European clubs with headaches as UEFA may want to press ahead with their competitions behind closed doors if that was a possibility, although considering they want to complete the 2019/20 domestic and Euro seasons, when will the 2020/21 qualifiers even have a realistic chance of starting.
Id say the 5K thing isn't for sports it could allow for the eventuality of an election being needed for instance. To allow the count centres to operate for example , that's the only non sports mass gathering I could see being needed ? The LOI is in dire straits with all this but so are theatres , cinemas etc. Most theatres are no better equipped to allow for any kind for gatherings in the near future than our stadiums, they are probably worse off fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by joey B
Bundesliga tentatively restarting behind closed doors on May 9th. Players back in training already.
But surely all it takes is one case of Covid-19 within 1 squad and the whole squad is quarantined for 2 weeks...along with maybe the squad of their opposition in the previous week or 2, messing up the already behind-schedule plans.
Good point , that's another reason our league resuming is a non runner. The only sport in Ireland for the rest of the year will be horse racing id say.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Basically but its just uefa give the FAI the money and say do what you wish with it. Only condition is it must be used for "youth and development" footballQuote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
There's absolutely nothing about this whole situation that is in any way clear, positive or negative.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lilywhites
The CEO just said he wanted clarity on what mass gatherings of 5000 meant exactly and going by posts here it's clear to see that that's completely understandable.Quote:
Lots of silly talk about, including from the FAI CEO, after the government announcement yesterday which was totally unrelated to us. Does he really think Dalymount with effectively one stand or the likes of Finn Park or Oriel can open up safely in June or any time in 2020?
First bit is pure speculation. Second is not true, it's really really not ideal but it is a possibility.Quote:
LOI facilities cannot in any way cope with a return for the foreseeable as social distancing will remain in place for a long time to come. Behind closed doors isn't really a runner here.
Not how these things workQuote:
Time for the FAI, and everyone else concerned, to accept it as it is and put together a longer term plan. February 2021 should be the aim. Even that might be optimistic in hindsight.
This whole paragraph is ridiculousQuote:
Read somewhere that 12/13 of our players are out of contract at the end of this year. Why continue paying out silly wages when the league is almost certain not to be resumed? Unusually for a top team we have no real assets, in terms of potential sell on values, with the exception of maybe Leahy and Cleary, and nobody bar Rovers are going to pay silly wages, so by laying off players I wouldn't be too bothered about losing some completely if that were to happen.
Just about the only correct thing you managed to say in all thatQuote:
That said, all this certainly leaves the 4 European clubs with headaches as UEFA may want to press ahead with their competitions behind closed doors if that was a possibility, although considering they want to complete the 2019/20 domestic and Euro seasons, when will the 2020/21 qualifiers even have a realistic chance of starting.
It's pretty clear that there will be no football with crowds in the LOI this year. Anyone thinking otherwise is just hoping because we all need something to look forward to in these awful times. Not going to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
What clarity? He said it presented "an opportunity" for the LOI. The announcement was basically nothing to do with the LOI.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
In any case, take Oriel for example. Average 3,000 crowd give or take. How many could you realistically fit in with social distancing? 600-800? Max. How do you decide who gets a golden ticket?
It's possible and it could happen but revenue wise it's going to generate very little or nothing, so can't see clubs going for it when it means paying out full wages. Not workable in this league unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
Nobody knows how these things work as it's never happened before but a June return is a complete non runner unless behind closed doors.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
Why? End of the day in our case it's up to the owners but makes no financial sense to continue firing out mad money weekly when there is no certainty on a return date. Football shouldn't be different to any other business.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
Its ok for supporters to hope for the best, but id like to think that there isn't a single club in the league working on the basis of wishful thinking. If any club doesn't cut its costs to the bare minimum soon , it wont be there to resume operations next January. Id say Rovers & Dundalk will be in the strongest position to bounce straight back next year but that also depends on how Uefa handle things.Quote:
It's pretty clear that there will be no football with crowds in the LOI this year. Anyone thinking otherwise is just hoping because we all need something to look forward to in these awful times. Not going to happen.
And what's wrong with hoping for the best? You're not just talking about standard work, exclude fans and everyone else from it footballers aren't you're average workforce just cancelling a season with so long to go in it could have serious mental wellbeing repercussions for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lilywhites
An announcement about large gatherings being allowed has everything to do with the LOIQuote:
What clarity? He said it presented "an opportunity" for the LOI. The announcement was basically nothing to do with the LOI.
Oriel Park is not the standard to work off in any sense of the wordQuote:
In any case, take Oriel for example. Average 3,000 crowd give or take. How many could you realistically fit in with social distancing? 600-800? Max. How do you decide who gets a golden ticket?
You can't see, that's different to it being a non runner. Have you much experience running football clubs?Quote:
It's possible and it could happen but revenue wise it's going to generate very little or nothing, so can't see clubs going for it when it means paying out full wages. Not workable in this league unfortunately.
Exactly nobody knows how these things work and that's exactly why blanket statement like just start planning for February are ridiculousQuote:
Nobody knows how these things work as it's never happened before but a June return is a complete non runner unless behind closed doors.
Ah yeah let's just ignore the human beings trying to support themselves and potentially families...Quote:
Why? End of the day in our case it's up to the owners but makes no financial sense to continue firing out mad money weekly when there is no certainty on a return date. Football shouldn't be different to any other business.
If the club can afford to they should pay players. Dundalk can.
Clubs should be planning for all eventualities, if you only plan based off no football until February if it comes back sooner than expected youre fairly ****edQuote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
The majority of squads are made up home based players so they will keep themselves ticking over fitness wise on the off chance something can be sorted out. I reckon most LOI players are taking care of themselves in the current crisis and would be ready and willing to play if the opportunity arises, hopefully it does !Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
There are far too many variables involved to just assume all players will keep themselves fit and availableQuote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
Mental wellbeing is a major issue with all this, far beyond games of football, that's why we're being dripfed the bad news. When will you accept the season is done? By October when there's still no football? There's being hopeful and there's being realistic. Far more important things than football too.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
It was to do with concerts and events that need licences to be applied for soon. Does he expect the government meant 4,999 can rock into Tallaght any time soon?Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
Could go through all the grounds. Tallaght and Turner's Cross could maybe cater for it but even then are you going to have everyone sitting 3 seats apart? What's the capacity then? Was using Oriel as an example. Majority of LOI grounds are kips.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
What revenue do behind closed doors games bring in? I'd love to know how that could work in the LOI...Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
I said a longer term plan should be put in place with a February restart in mind. Maybe that's already being done behind the scenes who knows. It has to be on the table as a discussion at this stage. It has more of a chance than June.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
Everyone's affected by this, there's over a million unemployed here now. Players aren't special cases. Rovers can afford to as well and they've made wage cuts (and don't come back with "that was the players' decision" bull). Pat's have seen what's coming and have acted appropriately.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
Cant speak for every club but Ive heard SOD is giving our lads regimes and observing their progress through their StatSports equipment, not ideal but better than nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
I don’t think loi will start back in June or the end of August. Social distancing won’t work in the major of grounds.
When the seasons done I'll accept it but to go to someone and tell them that their job and something they love doing is done until February because you can't be arsed changing the plans every few weeks is absolutely ridiculous. There are more important things than football that's my while point, stop viewing these players as some sort of robot, they're humans.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lilywhites
The fact you're asking the question means that the fact he's asking for clarity is validQuote:
It was to do with concerts and events that need licences to be applied for soon. Does he expect the government meant 4,999 can rock into Tallaght any time soon?
Do you know what distancing measures are going to be in place in a month, nevermind a couple, no, exactly, so it's ridiculous to have statements like thatQuote:
Could go through all the grounds. Tallaght and Turner's Cross could maybe cater for it but even then are you going to have everyone sitting 3 seats apart? What's the capacity then? Was using Oriel as an example. Majority of LOI grounds are kips.
Adverts, pay per view, half time lottos, basically all match day income but on a smaller scaleQuote:
What revenue do behind closed doors games bring in? I'd love to know how that could work in the LOI...
Exactly, you haven't a ****ing clue what plans are or aren't in place, you're just being made aware of the most immediate ones at a time which is completely reasonable.Quote:
I said a longer term plan should be put in place with a February restart in mind. Maybe that's already being done behind the scenes who knows. It has to be on the table as a discussion at this stage. It has more of a chance than June.
And for you players don't come under everyone? Other companies are being held to the same standards, if they can afford it employees are to be kept on, football clubs are no different, Dundalk can afford it so shouldn't pass the buck to the taxpayer to save themselves a few quid. Yeah facts are considered bull now are they because you don't like them? **** off.Quote:
Everyone's affected by this, there's over a million unemployed here now. Players aren't special cases. Rovers can afford to as well and they've made wage cuts (and don't come back with "that was the players' decision" bull). Pat's have seen what's coming and have acted appropriately.
I'd say most clubs are doing that but once they're laid off who's to say players that haven't been getting a look in will just start ignoring everything and look to move on when everything starts up? Be that to another club or another sector.Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2020...icks-athletic/
Our club President spoke to RTÉ news.
Supporters enjoy the games just as much, and sometimes more, than players. It's affecting everyone involved. It's the hope that kills you. Why keep putting it off and off and off when we all know the LOI won't be returning with crowds this year. Stop the nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
I'm pointing out that it's utterly ridiculous that the FAI CEO chose to do a video interview which raised people's hopes when the government statement was nothing to do with the LOI. The government didn't exactly make a great job of that particular announcement. It left more questions than answers.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
We've basically been told social distancing will be in place for the rest of 2020, and possibly 2021 too.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
Adverts where, in an online match programme? If the PPV is anything like the pilot project last year then you won't have too many paying for it, no matter how desperate they are to watch their team. I don't see too many clubs doing lottos at the moment when it's something they could possibly do. Our one isn't even running now as far as I'm aware.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
"Basically all match day income". What?
For Dundalk and Bohs especially, bar revenue is massive. Bars will be the last place to reopen.
No need for the language. The only plan made public so far is June but it's just kicking the can down the road. Knowing how LOI clubs operate, June might be the only plan right now. Great if that makes you happy but it's just false hope. Not getting my hopes up because it would just be disappointment in the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
Dundalk have no income at the moment - what they have in the bank shouldn't come into the business decision. Lots of companies and businesses who have plenty of money in the coffers have done the same. We should be looking after the club itself, not who is currently on the wage list at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
Players don't care about clubs, sorry to tell you. What if Dundalk turned around next January and said 'sorry we have to make a 25% cut', do you think that a player would hang about if Rovers offered his full wages, even after receiving all his 2020 money while at Oriel?
Again, no need for the language. Yes I'm sure Ronan Finn rounded up the gang and said 'lets take a 25% pay cut'. You're obviously one of the fans that fell for it. A good PR agreement, no doubt.
So? Let them move on. Nobody is indispensable. These are exceptional times and people have to understand that and get on with it. Difficult decisions need to be made. Clubs should protect themselves, as Pat's have rightly done. They know what's coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop