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26/10/2009, 12:15 AM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by awec

Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but surely this constant problems is an indicator that full time football does not work in the LOI?

Full-time football is not the problem.

Paying people wages that they can't afford is the problem.

It is possible to have a full-time club where you pay people wages you can afford. It's what all other businesses with full-time employees seem to have no problems doing.

Ergo - it's not full-time football that's the problem. It's financial stupidity.

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Originally Posted by awec

Surely the FAI should be putting measures in place to protect clubs from this sort of thing?

What can the FAI do to stop clubs that seem deteremined to make crazy decisions ? The FAI don't run the clubs. Those who do need to take more responsibility. And others need to stop looking to the FAI to act like the UN all the time.
26/10/2009, 12:19 AM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by awec

Good find actually. This year has been higher than usual though I'm led to believe.

I believe your post is what's known as humble pie. ;)

Norn Iron games have been attracting good crowds for quite a few years now. It's not just last year.
26/10/2009, 12:22 AM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by Graemerz

Back in the 80's the Brandywell was a very unsafe place for Protestants to go to.

Yeah - that's why we had protestant fans and Board members at the time..... :o
26/10/2009, 12:23 AM
micls

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

It is possible to have a full-time club where you pay people wages you can afford. It's what all other businesses with full-time employees seem to have no problems doing.

I think youd struggle to find another business with the income of an LOI club that could sustain 20 or so full time staff.

With the current levels of income full time football is not sustainable imo. A mixture of full time and part time similar to Rovers, sure. But the income streams are too volatile to be risking your clubs future on paying full time players 52 weeks a year when crowds can nosedive after a few poor games. Particularly in the current climate when all revenue streams, particularly sponsorship, are way down.
26/10/2009, 12:24 AM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by Graemerz

Ack you'll say one thing we'll say another. Fact is Derry quit the Irish League, therefore it was Derry's decision.

And thereby dissolves what little credibility you had on here as a poster.... :o
26/10/2009, 12:27 AM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by micls

I think youd struggle to find another business with the income of an LOI club that could sustain 20 or so full time staff.

But that is the whole point. LOI clubs chose to ignore normal business practice.

If they did restrict themselves to wages they could afford, then they could still have full-time players. It's really rather straight forward.
26/10/2009, 12:31 AM
micls

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

But that is the whole point. LOI clubs chose to ignore normal business practice.

If they did restrict themselves to wages they could afford, then they could still have full-time players. It's really rather straight forward.

You claimed full time football isn't the problem. Id consider full time football to be a full team of full timers, on this grounds I wouldn't consider Shamrock Rovers to be full time.

As I said, I don't think full time football as defined above, is feasible at the moment for LOI clubs, based on income streams, therefore trying to be fulltime IS the problem.

If clubs stick to wages they could afford then Im sure they could have some full time players, but they wouldnt be a full time club
26/10/2009, 12:50 AM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by micls

As I said, I don't think full time football as defined above, is feasible at the moment for LOI clubs, based on income streams, therefore trying to be fulltime IS the problem.

If clubs stick to wages they could afford then Im sure they could have some full time players, but they wouldnt be a full time club

What if a club paid all its players a relatively low salary - one that they could afford.

Would they still not be full-time because you don't think it's organisationally feasible for an Irish football team to be so ? :confused:
26/10/2009, 1:30 AM
awec

If a club is full time they have to offer decent wages. That's the entire point of a player going full time.
26/10/2009, 7:22 AM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by Dazzy

Derry can't rejoin the Irish League under their rules unless they move to a different stadia.

See the Oxford decision.

:confused:
26/10/2009, 7:30 AM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by Graemerz

Gutter journalism at best, two weeks ago Linfield got �400,000 from the IFA deal, over the fortnight it has risen to �800,000. it all depends who you listen to.

At the IFA AGM in June it was confirmed that Linfield received circa �800,000 for last season.

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Originally Posted by Graemerz

Regardless of the figures, DJ is correct. For years now players have turned us down to play for other clubs who pay bigger wages. There is a tight wage structure at Linfield, with or without the money we have rightfully received from the IFA we would not be in the position Derry and a few other clubs have found themselves in this season.

In your last financial year you spent circa �655,000. How you decide to structure your wages is of little argument. More players on less money or Less players on more money. In LOI terms that wage bill might see like peanuts but in comparison to the rest of the IL it is a fortune.
26/10/2009, 8:27 AM
refjohn

Oxford United Stars

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

:confused:

Oxford United Stars applied for the Championship this season and Derry City Council agreed to a groundshare at Brandywell but would only give them a 1 year lease. They were refused necessary license on basis that they needed to posess a minimum 3 year lease. DCC's viewpoint is that no team will get a longer lease so it's fair to assume that means Derry City too and therefore no chance of a license for Irish League?
26/10/2009, 8:30 AM
Krstic

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

:confused:

Oxford were refused entry to the IL as Derry City Council will only lease the brandywell to them (and us) one year at a time.
Therefore surely the same rules would apply to Derry City.

And just to add my tuppence worth, NO THANKS, I'd rather watch Derry in the 'A' League.
26/10/2009, 8:39 AM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by refjohn

Oxford United Stars applied for the Championship this season and Derry City Council agreed to a groundshare at Brandywell but would only give them a 1 year lease. They were refused necessary license on basis that they needed to posess a minimum 3 year lease. DCC's viewpoint is that no team will get a longer lease so it's fair to assume that means Derry City too and therefore no chance of a license for Irish League?

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Originally Posted by Krstic

Oxford were refused entry to the IL as Derry City Council will only lease the brandywell to them (and us) one year at a time.
Therefore surely the same rules would apply to Derry City.

Thanks.

Surely the FAI ask for longer than a 1 year agreement for their Licence?
26/10/2009, 8:44 AM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

Thanks.

Surely the FAI ask for longer than a 1 year agreement for their Licence?

Just had a read up and seemingly it doesn't.
26/10/2009, 10:28 AM
passerrby

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

Thanks.

Surely the FAI ask for longer than a 1 year agreement for their Licence?

it dida couple of season ago but some of the clubs could not provide this so it was withdrawn
26/10/2009, 11:57 AM
SMorgan

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...sh/8325118.stm

I think Derry City may have little option but go back to the IL.
26/10/2009, 12:17 PM
Mr A

I really don't see why people are relating massive over spending and what jurisdiction they play in.
26/10/2009, 12:45 PM
Steve Bruce

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

At the IFA AGM in June it was confirmed that Linfield received circa �800,000 for last season.

In your last financial year you spent circa �655,000. How you decide to structure your wages is of little argument. More players on less money or Less players on more money. In LOI terms that wage bill might see like peanuts but in comparison to the rest of the IL it is a fortune.

The IFA and Linfield obviously run their two financial years at different times. For instance. Linfield runs from the 1st January until 31st December.

On our finance sheet we got no where near 800k but again that is probably because of the financial year Linfield work from.
26/10/2009, 12:47 PM
Steve Bruce

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Originally Posted by Mr A

I really don't see why people are relating massive over spending and what jurisdiction they play in.

I'd say it would be cheaper to go to Coleraine, Ballymena, Dungannon, Limavady, Belfast, Lurgan, Portadown, Newry than to go to Galway, Cork, Dublin etc etc.

Costs would be so much less than the LOI.

Personally I don't think DCFC will ever be in the IL again because it would be too much of a comedown for them after years of DCFC looking down their noses on the IL

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