Subsiding foundations and they let teams in to get changed etc with probably 100 tonnes of concrete above the changing rooms??Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
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Subsiding foundations and they let teams in to get changed etc with probably 100 tonnes of concrete above the changing rooms??Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
It could have been sufficiently stable for that use but not a few hundred fans jumping up and down on it.
What building regulations were followed during that build! :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Whatever the problem is (I've heard it is the roof) probably wasn't helped by the flooding the ground suffered a few times since the stand was builtQuote:
Originally Posted by nr637
If it was just the roof then the roof could be removed and youve added additional seats to the ground, there is also under stand facilities eg tv studio/corporate area/toilets albeit small and as good a view as you'll get from behind a goal. Not to be wasted if at all possible. But yes repeted flooding was what caused the initial issues. Foundations needed to be deeper and broader, oversized for the size of the stand to resist any ground movement due to the Tolka. That or flood defences around the preimeter of the Tolka Park land parcel if it hasnt been done already. If it hasnt then any ground improvements, especially the pitch, is alwways at risk.
They might not get permission to erect flood barriers. Afaik, when Institute FC's ground at Drumahoe flooded in 2017, they considered that but the Council wouldn't approve it, since it would only move the floodwaters further along to more residential areas and increase their risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
As it happens, the flooding also brought in Japanese Knotweed onto the site, which was the last straw (no pun intended), meaning that the club had to move out permanently. (Currently sharing with DCFC at The Brandywell, while they build a new stadium of their own).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers...dium,_Drumahoe
Tolka Park as a designated flood plain? Would surely banjax applications for funding. Knotweed....just torch the place!
If only it was that easy to deal with, then it wouldn't be the massive issue it is in reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Ok torch the place, dig about 10ft down over the entire site and bury the rubble in some landfill, concrete it over and turn it in to a car park!
"Tell me you don't understand Japanese Knotweed without telling me....." :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Knotweed, yeesh, that's unfortunate. There are experts in dealing with weeds of every description who will refuse to even approach that stuff for fear of spreading spores. The Guardian had a good write up on the problems last year: https://www.theguardian.com/environm...anese-knotweed
Well it works for zombies:confused: But nope gardening and horticulture isnt a forté, unless the stuff is mate from plastic!Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
We'd never have guessed :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Well if Shels wanted out of their agreement with DCC on Tolka, 'finding' knotweed would be a new angle.
Youve just scared me in to selling my house just in case of a zombie knotweed invasion.....
Finn Park to be sold for €1.5m to help meet the funding needed for the new stadium. Hopefully this sees them over the line and they don’t get stuck in no man’s land without Finn Park or the new ground although I’d imagine that could be a condition of the sale anyways
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2024...liver-stadium/
Unfortunate echoes of the Tralee Racecourse saga from circa 2008 - it was sold in the hope of a fresh site development, with Kerry GAA planning a new stadium on the site, but with the crash, all plans were halted, but Tralee's meetings were lost to Listowel and Killarney - so the Harps board would want cast-iron legal guarantees that the sale could only be completed once Stranolar becomes playable!
Construction won't begin until the money is in place
Is this not similar to the original plan? The sale of Finn Park to a developer would finance a proportion of the new ground - the bottom fell out of the economy and Finn Park fell in value? Now if the developer signed an agreement shouldnt that have been his loss rather than hand back the keys due to a 'negative equity' like situation?? A turnkey agreement should factor in, sale made but handover of the asset waits until a replacement facility is usable (not complete). Is the same developer involved on any level? Recieved money for land or anyting?
More details are available here.
Finn Park cannot be sold until the new ground is completed and the ownership through Finn Harps Trustees is transferred to the new ground. It's also not a guarantee that Finn Park will need to be sold at all.
https://finnharps.ie/finn-harps-new-...strategy-2024/
Yeah it was and I find it odd so many Harps fans giving out about the sale of current Finn Park as if its something that has be suddenly spring from nowhere .Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99;2184850[B
Way back in the dark ages when the plan of a new Harps stadium was originally mooted there had been several supermarket chains looking at locations in the town and it was thought there would be plenty of interest in the Navenny street site. But we now have Supervalu, LIDL, ALDI and Costcutter aswell as a few local family own supermarkets so probably not enough businmess inthe local area for another.
The last few years there has been talk of keeping the current Finn Park for youth games and the general plan I think was for it to be the home of a senito ladies team with the club planning to enter the senior women's setup somewhere down the line, and think many Harps fans can't look beyond that now
https://twitter.com/SeanKellyMEP/sta...YYtNtxPxw&s=08
Sean Kelly and Fine Gael talking about the need for supporting the LOI in terms of facilities and academies. Fair Play. Also highlights the growth of attendances.
We in the LOI community have to be a fair bit more politically active and demanding, and prepare to mobilize around positive LOI policies.
The only way I see things developing in the LOI.
Its great to see LoI growth making it relevant enough for politicians to court votes. Wonder what Joe Brolly's rection was to this after previous comments on Kelly, 'used to call hmself a Gael but is nothing more than a Free Stater'....great craic to watch!
Absolutely. The GAA is very good at channelling public pressure when it wants/needs to. LOI fans need to start flexing their muscles as well. Especially with 2 or 3 elections due this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa
We all know of Independent TD Mick Wallace and his association with Wexford FC and I think Sinn Fein TD Jonathan O'Brien had some connection with Cork City for a time.
Anyone aware of TD's that have some connection to their local Airtricity club?
Maybe we could create a list and forward it to the FAI !
Absolutely. We don't shout from the rooftops enough for it to be made anywhere near priority for politicians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa
Good man Sean. I spoke with him at last Kerry game in the Markets Fields and he does seem interested in the league. Goes to quite a few home games as well when he's around.
Aul Michael D was fond of a visit to Dalymount in the early days of his tenure as president and has always been a fan of football in Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by nr637
Bohs specific I know various parties and/or politicians have sponsored either matches or match balls.
I think politicians (at least in Dublin) have a lot of time for the LOI and LOI fans. The problem seems to be more along the lines of clubs not working together & FAI malpractice rather than political apathy.
Can you do a jersey for them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Another Bohemia
Only if they speed up the development of new DalymountQuote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Pre orders for your Mary Lou Bohemian FC special now - well she can fix everything so get ahead of the curve!
Maybe something celebrating FIBSborough...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
I think it needs more than just having a few politicians being a fan of a club. We need pressure on policies, and the best way to do that is at election time and representing a 'voting bloc'.
I wonder, has any supporters club endorsed a a policy stance publicly before?
I have a feeling that Marc McSharry is a big Sligo Rovers fan and I think his dad was too also. I could be wrong mind you!
Fitzer campaining outside Oriel Park last election was great craic - purely out of curiosity on what hed say asked him about about ground developments (specificlly Oriel Park) and his reply was any time Dundalk FC need a stadium the Louth County Ground would be available and he as county chairman would grant permission to use the ground any time. So asked how there was no need to go to Congress, Central Council, HQ, County Board et al and a couple of his campaigners basically hooked him and ushered him off. Ok he is one person but I dont think Ive ever heard such a bluff or a completely blank look when asked a question to which there was no rehearsed default answer. Ive no particular party leanings but I reckon I could pretty much write the next 6 months of opposition questions, rants and and government answers! (...and there is still no county ground in Louth).
I thought that we would get somewhere after the charade at the PAC with Delaney and his ousting only for the FAI to shift in to reverse at their more recent PAC appearances. It shouldnt impact on wider infrastructure development of the sport but it obviously does unless somehow you can get round the FAI image as being a bunch of chancers. Its refreshing if obviously opportunistic also for Sean Kelly to call for soccer specific development and to acknowledge the almost 1 million spectator attendances. A decent FAI with credibility would have facility development in the faces of party policy makers now while prepping manifestos in an election year rather than us just canvassing canvessers on doorsteps prior to the upcoming local and general elections.
Imo contributions to County and Enviorns Development plans could be just as effective when their cycle for renewal is in progress - otherwise contravening such plans will always be rolled out as an excuse and if were not in theres no win. Part of that process is of course pushing facilities with local candidates initially and that may filter up to a wider committment to investing in what is currently the major growth area of the Irish sports industry and an area where there would be very obvious and tangible evidence of investment. I also think a collective bargaining type policy for ground development to turn the heads of the construction industry would be useful - eek out every possible value for grant € allocated. It could prevent future half built projects where a grant is (so far) wasted, removes claims of regional bias which is basicaly claimed by every region outside the capital and Dubs will also claim neglect in relation to large population provisions.
More or less the days of the individual politician, as a fan of a club, being able to pull a stroke on swaying grant allocation are passed (remember the old days when if a minister was appointed from your consituency people thought the funding would roll in?) so definitely agree it all needs to be credible national policy proposal, made on the back of a wide but collective community or block vote if we were ever able to agree a consensus beyond our immediate sphere.
Is walking past Dalymount once not enough anymore?Quote:
Originally Posted by Another Bohemia
Bray are installing new dugouts in the Carlisle Grounds, and honestly, it's the worst placement they could possibly have attempted. A big steel structure placed in the middle of the away side, blocking large parts of the pitch from spectators view on that side.
It's utterly mindless from them.
Well maybe see through perspex and aluminium could could be at a premium in North Korea? Missed the 'dugout' part of dugout obviously!Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
I suppose there's no chance of anyone from the FAI inviting him in for a cup of tea to get his advice on how best to go about acquiring funding. Or is that too much to ask.
Good news for Shels with the 250 year lease. Have the club any long term plans for developing Tolka?