I wasn't trying to say that at all. It's quite simple really, I saw a lot of Irish stuff at Celtic games when I was younger and naturally, that would attract any Irishmans interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
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I wasn't trying to say that at all. It's quite simple really, I saw a lot of Irish stuff at Celtic games when I was younger and naturally, that would attract any Irishmans interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
Well yes, that's what I meant. There are genuine Celtic fans over here of course, who spend a lot of their hard earned money traveling to Celtic Park every second week. Now, while personally it's frustrating seing that when the EL is in desperate need of support, that's their choice and they're as "real" as any other fans. It's the bandwagon jumpers and the gobsh*tes who seem to be attracted to supporting celtic that put alot of people off, but obviously that doesn't apply to every Celtic fan and they can't all be tarred with the same brush.Quote:
Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
I wasn't really directing that at you as just saying it in general, as there are some people who do try to claim that.Quote:
Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
Fair enough, point taken too.
I beg to differ - but if a clubs history, roots etc... are not enough to distinguish why a club may have a significant support in Ireland then I'm not going to waste my time doing it. However for the record we are NOT all the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
Man U has even more support in Ireland I would imagine, nobody trys to claim they're Irish. Well Dunphy did once I think :rolleyes: But history and roots, that being formed by an Irishman and flying a flag, do NOT make Celtic an Irish club. I've no problem with people supporting them, but they're a foreign club just like the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
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Originally Posted by NY Hoop
save you the job finding it - need any help putting it on?
Having been on work experience for the last week have been slughtly detached (from this board at least ;) ) so have skipped a few pages-but for goodness sake; ya folk who everytime one of us even MENTIONS the world Celtic when we are playing well-we get crtiticism for 'hijacking' or we get a ban. But as soon as Celtic have a bad game-(and yes it was a bad game-i admit, we didn't paly great, we had injuries, the ref was a farce etc.etc.)-you're all on here going on about Celtic!
Have it one way or the other but at the moment to me it seems that it's one rule for when Celtic are winning and another for when we aren't :confused:
Looking back on it most 'hijacked' thread have been hijacked by anti-Celts having a pop! If we really want to discuss Celtic we go to the Huddle Board (or Old Firm Fans) where we don't have to put up with la!ngers!!
As for Lurgans Finest he's one of ma role modles so hey :D
Cobh Ramblers F.C, Celtic FC, ROI National Team-Erins finest!
Just because we're lower in the league it doesn't mean we're not better ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by davros
3 in a row!
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Originally Posted by davros
Err so many support Belfast Celtic!
That because Belfast is in Ireland.
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Originally Posted by davros
You were going on about why Irish people follow clubs with supposidly Irish links abroad.
You proceeded to give some examples besides Celtic of Glasgow. You mentioned Belfast Celtic (which isnt abroad), Hibs (in all my life ive never met a hibs supporter, never seen someone wearing a hibs jersey - supports my theory that those Irish people who "support" celtic are nothing but grayites.
Your last example was London Irish (which is a rugby club - no interest in rugby). I'ld burn that book you bought by your Prof. friend.
Yet another fine example of the Irish Free State education system! :rolleyes: Clubs with 'supposidly' Irish links? Perhaps emigration was also 'supposidly' a figment of the imagination.Quote:
Originally Posted by eoinh
So now youre saying cork people support belfast celtic. err, ive never met one.Quote:
Originally Posted by davros
C'mon now Davros you didnt mention Belfast Celtic! Are we having a rethink. We're all wrong sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by davros
Head over to London for the Christmas party, shake my hand and you will have :DQuote:
Originally Posted by eoinh
Belfast Celtic still exist-just not playing football! One day though- re-build paradise, get the Bhoys back together and FECK scumfield!Quote:
Originally Posted by davros
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by davros
Still waiting for Adam to put up the BCFC avater-(may alternate it with me Cobh one!)
Aye but both the club and the memory live on-hence the ambition to re-build paradise and once again rule Irish football!Quote:
Originally Posted by eoinh
(alonmg with Cobh of course ;) )
Apologies for throwing a spanner in the works, but Hibernian and Celtic are really two clubs in very different circumstances. For whatever reason - well, probably more likely due to the sectarianism that existed and still exists in the west of Scotland - the culture amid which Celtic was created has been preserved with far more in tact than that of Hibernian.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Sheliban
Of course, I'm not trying to pass Celtic as possessing a "true Irish culture" or whatever, such a claim would be ridiculous.
I am a Celtic fan though ;)
A sensible post at last. Pity you spoilt it by admitting you're a Celtic fan. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ephor
I'd agree that there is a certain amount of glory-hunting with Irish football fans supporting any team outside their home town or area that they have no connection with (eg: themselves or a parent born or lived in said place). However the Irishness of Celtic was long apparent before Sky TV came on the scene and half of Ireland started wearing Celtic shirts. Look at the photos of 'What's The Story' by my old friend Shay Blair and another bloke I can't remember, or Mary Hunt's Euro 88 or Italia 90 diaries, and the Celtic shirts are ever-present.
I'm reading another book at the moment that should be no doubt placed on the eoinh literature pyre. :rolleyes: Called 'Irish: The Remarkable Saga of a Nation and a City' by John Burrowes, it is the first history written of the Irish in Glasgow which doesn't centre around Celtic, beginning with a chapter on the luxurious travel arrangements of those bound for Scotland around the time of the famine. The story of the SS L*****derry makes particularly grim reading where a quarter of its passengers were suffocated below decks on a overnight journey in a heavy storm from Sligo to Derry. Not that I suspect this incident was ever brought up in an Irish school's history lesson (tut, tut: Can't dwell on the past can we?). Anyways, despite being about the city's Irish community, the book still manages to have a whole chapter on the 'supposidly' Irish links of Celtic FC.
Ireland is a nation of many influences. What you are doing is just concentrating on one tiny aspect of it while ignoring everyother aspect.
Welcome abored Ephor ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ephor
what you are doing is simply ignoring FACTs surrounding Celtics formation, history and fanbase.Quote:
Originally Posted by eoinh
:confused: Well let's see! What has been the most overriding aspect of Irish history over the last two hundred years?Quote:
Originally Posted by eoinh
Act of Union? Lasted 120 years in it's entirety although still going on today viz a viz the North!
Independence? 82 years. At first limited and still not taking in all the country.
The troubles? 25 - 30 years recently. Couple of years either side of WW1 and a civil war between two shades of nationalists.
Socialism? Yeah right! :rolleyes:
Emigration? From a population in Ireland of around 9m in 1841 to over 5m in 2001. Bearing in mind that most European countries population have increased in that time, this is quite startling. England's increased from around 13m to 50m in that period. Ireland would be looking at around 40m people by now in comparison. Mass emigration stretched from before the Famine (mostly Protestants) to around the early to mid 1990s. With the exception of a brief period in the 1960s and 70s, only the present Celtic Tiger and the North's Peace Dividend has halted emigration from Ireland and that now it's population is actually growing. Looking back, there is no guarantee that emigration will not return and the Irish government will have to go grovelling to the US arguing that they take some people off their hands while other more worthy populations freeing famine and war should be told to f*ck off.
I would argue that this has been the most important event to have happened to Ireland over the last 200 years. I would also like to know how much of this subject was ever discussed in Irish schools (either in History or some other subject like Sociology), because the level of ignorance on such an important event is quite frankly, laughable aswell as highly irritating. (EG: What's an Englishman doing s'porting Ireland? How come you're not at Wembley? etc.,etc, ad nauseam)
Lopez i'm perfectly aware of all this.
My brother lives happily in England and i suspect wont be coming back. If you can find one post where i even hint that you or persons in your situation should support england post it up.
But the point you keep pounding on about is that i should support celtic is laughable. I feel no connection whatsoever to them. If there were thousands of people in Ireland who supported Brann Bergen because of Bergens deep historical roots with Ireland that would annoy me to. But as Brann dont enjoy major success that doesnt happen. (I live in Waterford which has many viking links - even the name of the county itself "ford" = "fjord").
No one can deny that the vast majority who support celtic only do so because they are successful. Most of them have probably never been to a live match in their lives and wouldnt recognise a football if it hit them in their face.
A curious anomoly is that most emmigrants or their offspring tend to support their home town not the clubs of the towns they live in. You dont find mant Turks in Germany supporting german clubs. They are all besiktas, Trabzonspor or Ankaragucu supporters. Not many Turkish based greeks in Istanbul would support Fenerbahce for instance. They are more likely to be Panathinaikos fans. In Ireland we get the reverse :rolleyes:
Well, if the standard of eircom League football was any good, we second- and third-genners would support Irish clubs instead, wouldn't we? :eek: ;) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by eoinh
:D PP
I've never said that you should support Celtic. I don't support Celtic myself. I go to their games in London to meet up with my mates - our Northern friend Duncan Gardner did likewise - and get hammered (unfortunately too hammered last time). Why would I want to encourage someone to support Celtic.Quote:
Originally Posted by eoinh
I've consistently championed Irish domestic football. It p*sses me off to hear about Celtic fans questioning the Irishness of St Pats fans during their match. And I've seen first hand the lunatic fringe of Celtic support both in Ireland and Glasgow.
However, Celtic is not Brann Bergen. Largescale Irish emigration into Scotland finished in the fifties. You cannot compare the connection with a bunch of cow-horned rapists a thousand years ago. As for the Turkish analogy, you're right. I support Deportivo for that reason. I don't follow an English club. Many 2G come from areas without a EL team or have two parents from different countries, but you can see that plenty of 2G posters on here have EL club avatars. Please DH, could we have a SJG to keep Davros happy? I've personally seen EL clubs in Europe more over the past 15 years than Celtic. I would have gone to Lille, but I fancied Depor in Monaco with Conchita. Lille or Monaco? Which would you prefer? Conchita said if it's anywhere with Dubs, I won't be coming home with my cojones. :D
And I've yet to see an answer from anyone about what they learnt about emigration in Irish schools. Please!!!!!!!! I'm interested...seriously!
We agree totally. I dont why we are arguing. i have no problem with Irish people supporting teams of the cities they live in abroad. Im sure I'ld do it myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
As for emigration studies in school. I think we learnt about why it happened - potatoe crop failure, large families, inaction of the majority of the British
authorities, no large scale industry and tarrifs on anything irish produced sent to england causing no industrial development and hence no job opportunities.
However the experiences of the Irish abroad and their life in Britain, Austalia, New Zealand, South africa, The carribean etc was totally overlooked.
I did my leaving in 1988 so things might have changed since then. Doubt it though.
Oh and happy birthday! Youre one of the few on here older than me. Congrats :)
Well, those of us hailing from the diaspora county of Shepherd's Bush who actually gave a **** in the first place had to study to Masters' level to find the answers, so I'm not surprised that all the ard scóil sheep have never heard of it... are you? :confused: ;) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by lopez
:D PP
F*** sake I go away for a couple of days...
Well thank you Macy I see you are finally understanding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
These places are IRISH CENTRES because when Irish people came to Britain (or Austrailia, USA etc) they set up centres to provide a cultural, social, sporting, emotional or advice support to emigrants. Glasgow Celtic are one facet of this proud heritage, to me saying Celtic are nothing to do with Ireland is as pointless as saying that the London Irish Centre is nothing to do with Ireland. Thanks for making your point in such an interesting way.
As for the football, why are eL fans informing us that the Scottish league is of a poor standard? Well duh, Celtic fans are the ones who watch more it than you do, we are well aware of the fact.
Muchas gracias, amigo! Another year with my liver. Shame I had to spend most of it at work, but hey! To add to PP's obs, I studied emigration at Uni BA level in Britain at the Uni North London, which did have a half decent Irish Studies course (Major or minor but sadly not whole). Personally a bit more on the emigrants' experience should be given in Irish education but I can also appreciate that farting around with this subject at the expense of something more vocational could lead to the spectre of largescale emigration returning. Anyway, noone can deny that Ireland is short of books on the subject for those interested or in need of direction. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by eoinh
Nonsense!! The day you lost your Oirish accent you became 2G like Finnan, Doherty and that bloke who's shooting everyone in The Bill who used to be in Eastbenders. Welcome to the club, honcho! It's a club you'll never leave. :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by davros
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Originally Posted by davros
To right Dav :mad: :D
CRFC till I die-and yes I do come over and see the matches and no at the moment we're not highly 'sucessful'!!Quote:
Originally Posted by eoinh
Let Celtic have that tin pot this season. The rangers are taking back whats rightfully theirs - the league championship.
The future is bright, the future is orange!
I'm sure you'd be welcomed with open arms at Ibrox. :rolleyes: Just what they need - another deluded eejit supporter. I'd keep schtum while there though. They just lurve Irish people...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary
:rolleyes: PP
Glory Glory to the HIBEE'S.... 103 Years on from our last SFA CUP win. This is our year
SUNSHINE ON LEITH :D
Well, if it's not to be the year of the Tim again, then I'd back Hibs to win it. Another all-green final would be nice. :)
:D PP