I'd just like to know is Jinxy cycling a bike if it's taking him almost four hours to get from Dundalk to Galway?
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I'd just like to know is Jinxy cycling a bike if it's taking him almost four hours to get from Dundalk to Galway?
im up and down to Galway regularly 1 hour 45 minutes from the red cow roundabout to the roundabout at the entrance to the city.
I think your right on the Bicycle theory
Is there no direct bus?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
If you were to leave from Dundalk to Galway right now. Cross country is the quickest route at just over 3 hours.
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Google maps my route and it takes 2hr 55 for my route from Oriel to edp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I got my wires crossed
The other route m4 m50 m1 takes 3 hrs plus 20 euro tolls and extra diesel and tyre usage all things considered.
BTW motorways bore the **** outta me
A bit like this conversation then.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite
3 best placed teams in the league and league cup winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
I know it's not everyone's cup of tea. I've no problem with so-called dead rubbers. I was at Limerick's last game in Thomond Park against Sligo and the final U17 league game this season.
Ruud Dokter was saying he had to find the right youth structure for the country and not just use a structure from another country. In a similar vein I think a Europa League playoff would be a good fit for the league. The proof of the pudding is in the eating!
The league gained a third Europa League spot with the ending of the Intertoto Cup. If the league had only two spots, there would be no platform for such a play-off. The cup winner and league runners-up are rightly guaranteed European football. If everyone knows at the start of a season that x number of places are for playoff positions, I think it's fair enough. Playoff talk splits opinion. It's not everyone's cup of tea.
Dundalk v Galway 3,635
That got some laugh when it was announced.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
If you thought that was funny you'll go into convulsions when you hear the figure they announced in Longford.Quote:
Originally Posted by GCdfc
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Originally Posted by legendz
If it was for last spot wouldn't it be from 3rd or 4th down though?
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by GCdfc
And it did get quite the chuckle.
Maybe MD meant "that's the attendance in the bar" some of them in there never moved from the 1st min 'til the 90th min ........i heard ;) Bless their bandwaggoning non-supporting holes!!
465 has been the attendance every game hahaahQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
1,328 in The Showgrounds. First time I've ever seen the away section totally empty.
Yeah, the best 3 from 3rd or 4th and the league cup winner. This year would work out as: Shamrock Rovers v St. Pat's and Sligo Rovers v Bray Wanderers.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
I didn't think it was right when it was announced, I'd have thought just under 3,000, maybe 2,800, not sure where the reported figure came from.Quote:
Originally Posted by GCdfc
What would you do with the cup place? This year we know that Cork City and Dundalk have already qualified so its fine, but say next year the finalists are Dundalk and Bray. Dundalk already gauarnteed a European place but Bray are in the bottom half for example. How would you organise that? Would you allow both finalists into Europe if Dundalk win the cup, but only the winner if its Bray? When would you schedule it? Is it before or after the cup?
I'm not totally opposed to the idea, just wondering how it would work.
Schedule the cup final before the end of the league season. The Sunday after the October international weekend stands out. The cup finalists could play their league games on the Wednesday before the cup final on the Sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
There will most likely be two rounds of league games after the cup final. Schedule the playoff semi-finals on the Monday and Friday after the end of the season. The playoff final on the Monday and Friday of the following week. An extra week to current end of season.
Finn Harps v Bohs - 1,008
Ultimately we need to ensure the best teams go into Europe.
3rd V 4th over two legs would reduce dead rubber in the league and playing the match over two legs would determine who's better at winning matches over two legs,vv important for Europe
What if there are 10 plus points between 3rd and 4th?
Everyone accepts that the league table doesn't lie. Yet, some people keep coming up with this play-off nonsense.
should be pretty easy for the team ten points ahead to back it up then?3rd place team should be allowed pick the home/away order
I don't know why this is still a discussion. What's the point in playing a full 8 or 9 month league season if your finishing place doesn't determine who ends up playing in what competition? Why not play a full league season and then do play-offs to see who wins the league? Sure 3rd against 8th should play off to see who goes into the play off to get into the play off for avoiding the relegation play off?
I think we are edging closer to the ideal solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Just find a way toincorporate the top first division clubs and were laughing
Call me crazy, but don't we already have that scenario with the league table determining the best teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by GUFCghost
:good: Cabinteely FC likes this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
EUFA matches are high stakes affairs played over two legs,whereas a playoff would be...Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
Wow, I'd have said the exact opposite. I thought it was much closer to the attendance at the Bohs game 4,500-5,000. They literally ran out of printed tickets, people were being waved in for free and it was just as rammed as the Bohs game. 100 less away fans maybe but I'd have thought more than for the Bohs game.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
The FAI commissioned report and the PCA proposal have both mentioned a Europa League playoff. I don't think it would be on the agenda if it was at the expense of cup winners or league runners-up.
As I mentioned already, if teams start off a season knowing that x number of places are for playoff positions, I think it's fair enough. At the moment 3rd place has the same reward as cup winner and league runners-up.
I'd prefer a Europa League playoff instead of reducing the Premier Division to 10 teams. When clubs need stability, I don't see the need for putting more under the threat of relegation. The current promotion-relegation system seems fine.
A Europa League playoff could be trialled to see if it boosts attendances for teams in midtable. I think the aim is to give more something to play for. With the financial rewards in Europe compared with LoI prize money, Europa League playoffs would have more value here than they would in other leagues. At the very least a club might have a near full house for the playoffs which would be the aim.
I don't really like the idea of a Euro playoff but I can see the attraction. One of the problems though is who competes.... assuming you're giving a EL place to the league runners-up and cup winners what happens if, for example, Dundalk were playing Harps in the cup final this season. Do we wait to see if Harps win the cup before deciding who's in the playoff?
There is no way a team finishing 6th in a 12 team league deserve a shot at European football. Possibly rewarding people for a season of mediocrity.
I agree with this. I was very surprised when the attendance was called out. I was sure it was a good bit over 4,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by seand
It's something the powers that be and the clubs will have to iron out. The FAI report was suggesting a two team playoff. The PCA proposal was suggesting an eight team playoff!Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
Probably correct, though we got relegated and got into Europe, which was great fun!Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
There's an argument though that third in the league isn't exactly great either. And Rovers are pretty mediocre this year, finished fourth, and are in Europe.
I think there's an argument to be made for a play-off - not saying it should be introduced; just saying there's an argument for considering it. I think particularly with European money potentially skewing smaller leagues like ours, leading to some clubs potentially monopolising European spots, a play-off could help spread the wealth a bit more and help keep a competitive league.
I don't agree that second or third should necessarily have a European place by rights - they've won nothing - but certainly they should have an advantage in any play-offs.
Cup and league winners of course should just get in to Europe with no messing.
Some people go on about the league needing to be marketed better. Dundalk naturally creating positive headlines on the field of play is the best advertising the league could get. No gimmicks, just natural respect.
There's no guarantees a play-off would boost crowds. The fact it's been mentioned in two separate proposals suggests some merit is seen in giving more teams something to play for at the end of a season.
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Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Cork finished 8 points ahead of Derry and 15 points ahead of Shamrock Rovers. In my opinion, they have earned their spot in Europe. Why should they have to enter a play off to get that place?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
A one off tie, even over two legs, can be decided by a dodgy refereeing decision, injuries, or suspensions.
The beauty of the league format is that it minimises distorting factors.
Talk of having a play off to decide European spots is a bit of a joke IMO.
The best 3/*4 teams in the league get the spots- the rest have to improve to get there
* depending on cup winners of course.
Traditionally league winners entered the European Cup now Champions League, cup winners entered the Cup Winners Cup now Europa League and league runners-up entered the UEFA Cup now Europa League.Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
It was logical enough to grant the third Europa League spot that came along to the next best team in the league. It's not a traditional spot however. If teams start a season knowing x amount of positions means a play-off for the third Europa League spot it's fair enough, provided clubs agree to playoff in the first place of course.
After the brief history recap, you mention logic and then present the least compelling argument ever-Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
That if clubs agree to a play-off system, it's fair enough!
(Cue a debate on the IAG system that all clubs agreed to)
I actually covered all that in my post, where I noted that -Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
(a) Cork won nothing
(b) I don't think the idea that coming second gets you into Europe should be inviolable
(c) If European money starts to distort the league, then a one-off tie, even over two legs, that can be decided by a dodgy refereeing decision, etc, could help keep a bit of balance within the league by trying to spread European money a bit.
As I say, I don't know if it's a compelling argument - enough to change - but it's an argument nonetheless. If the Europa League spots can be used to help promote the league through, say, a high-profile play-off, then the possibility should be considered.