Grealish Starts for Villa in tonights league cup game against leyton Orient
Sidenote - Shay Given also starts
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Grealish Starts for Villa in tonights league cup game against leyton Orient
Sidenote - Shay Given also starts
Apologies for taking the thread off-topic, but he starts for Villa in the league cup, as does Given. The doc's mate is on the bench.
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Jack Grealish certainly looks a prospect for #avfc. Been the brightest spark here by a country mile....
Phil Thomson on sky sports news saying Grealish looks very good
Wasn't enough to keep them in it, Villa going down to an 88th minute goal.
If Thommo can see it then it's plain for everyone now!Quote:
Originally Posted by back of the net
http://www.nhsdg.scot.nhs.uk/images/...t-thompson.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Well he may have looked good ( I have not seen it yet but have some recorded
highlights to watch) but Villa still lost 0-1.
Interesting too that man U lost 4-0 to MK Dons with a M Keane in the team,
a player we 'lost' to England, doesn't seem that much of a loss does it?
I just had a look therough Roy Keanes career and could not find a 4 gaol defeat up to 2000.
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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
That's a pity - it would have been good for Lambert to have the option of playing him in a couple of extra League Cup games over the autumn, should he still be unsure about giving him serious playing time in the Premier League - still, good to see him play the full 90 with some positive feedback on his performance. Also good that Martin O'Neill has obviously taken the time to indicate that he could well be close(-ish) to becoming an option for the National Team and then giving him the space to consider whether he's ready to commit at this point. I know that we still need to wait a bit to see if he is the real deal - some have said here that he could end up like Ritchie Partridge, Darren Potter or Sean Thornton (who all incidentally had perfectly respectable careers). But he could also be like James McCarthy, taking a little bit more time to establish himself fully as a top player (but eventually doing so)...or he could be this season's Ross Barkley. My gut instinct (and admittedly this is based mainly on viewing Youtube videos and reading about the general buzz surrounding him) is that it will be one of the latter two options and if it's the last one, we should be ready for him to play a part in this qualifying campaign, again assuming he's ready to make his final decision.
Darren Potter was super last night for MK Dons, by the way.
In fairness, I don't think Paul McGrath or Franco Baresi would have compensated for that Jonny Evans performance!Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
What's it say? I'm in work and Twitter is blocked.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
on Jack Grealish twitter account - post from paul McGrath
@JackGrealish1 "congrats jack ,now get yourself into gear for Ireland's next two matches , good man ! # COYBIG"
Jack replies:
@paulmcgrath5 ” thanks Paul��"
Got a compo off one of my Villa mates so went along to Villa Park last night.
Villa were poor, how Baker is starting ahead of my mate Clarky I don't know.
Shay made a great save to keep Villa in it, but they had so much space to score, he could do little to stop it.
As for young Jack, looks good on the ball, beats players but what I did notice was that he uses the same two tricks to turn or beat a player.
Better defenders will work that out, he also bottled a couple of 50-50s and gave the ball away lots sometimes without being under pressure.
But to be fair, he's young and these are the type of games he needs to develop.
Could Shay have come to take the cross that led to the winner?
I think what you have to do is adapt when player work you out, ie you knowQuote:
Originally Posted by the doc
they are expecting a certain trick, so use that to your advantage. So they will be expecting you
to go right so feint right and go left!! Simples :)
As for bottling 50/50's sometimes that is not a bad idea, a broken leg won't do you much good.
Fair point, but that's if you can adapt. As for backing out of a 50-50, your more likely to get hurt leaving a leg trailing out, as your not prepared for the impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
If you are inherently a good player you should be able to adapt and stay one step ahead, I think Jack has a few more tricksQuote:
Originally Posted by the doc
if needed and he has the balance, which is the key thing, I have seen him leave quite few players on their backsides,
but obviously they higher up he goes he is going to meet a better class of defender. Judging when to tackle and when
not to is another thing that sets players apart.
Doc seriously you need to get your agent sorted out if he can't at least get you a contract with a decent Championship club. You need to remind him that the likes of Paul McShane is getting regular games in the Premiership.Quote:
Originally Posted by the doc
Who's your agent anyway? Nicolas Anelka's brothers? Anthony Stokes' dad? Trigger from only Fools and Horses?
The lads chatting about him on soccer republic....
http://www.rte.ie/sport/player/813/639927/
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Originally Posted by back of the net
Good point from Sadlier about the finality of the decision. Just because Grealish hasn't declared fully for Ireland while playing for the underage teams doesn't necessarily mean he's cynically taking advantage of the FAI while hoping the English FA will come and whisk him away or anything like that - he just came and played where he was asked to play and his options have remained open because of the rules. And now he's close to that point where he will have to make that choice. And as Sadlier points out, it is a big decision to make for an eighteen-year-old lad with issues of loyalty, identity and career to consider. So I think Martin O'Neill is definitely right in approaching him and saying that he's ready or nearly ready to move him up to the senior squad but to then give him the necessary space to make this decision. So time will tell and I certainly hope he does choose Ireland because if he does fulfil his early promise we could have a really strong midfield for the next decade, but even if he doesn't we'll still be well stocked in that department
Exactly. Sadlier made some good points. Jack shows up and does the job for us when asked, so it's not as if he isn't giving anything back in return. We're also well aware of his situation and yet we're more than happy to select him. We're under no duty to continue selecting him, so it would be incorrect to say he's using us. The relationship is bilateral or reciprocal. For what it's worth, I'd prefer it if we did continue selecting him and building ever-stronger links. Trying to force a decision from him by saying "you either accept a senior call-up or that's it" would be downright folly. It'd only arouse resentment.Quote:
Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
Who was the other pundit? Was that Dave Connell? He didn't appear well up on the situation.
Dave Barry. LOI legend but is agony to listen to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
It's Dave Barry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Sorry, didn't recognise him. I watched him many times.
Dave was too caught up in the memory of that goal against Bayern Munich to care about Grealish's international angst.
I was just looking at Forest who won today and are top of the Championship, one of their players Mancienne is eligible to play for
the Seychelles as well as England as his father is from there.
Note really comparing like with like though as Seychelles are ranked by FIFA at 180. Also he has been playing for England au u21 level.
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Mancienne is eligible to play for the Seychelles as his father, Michael Snr, originates from there and is a former Seychelles international midfielder. He rejected the chance to play for the Seychelles national team in 2006 in favour of his native England.[18] However, in November 2008, Mancienne stated that he would play for Seychelles if he doesn't get to play for England by the time he reaches 25
Tweet about the kid after the Villa game
"Grealish touched the ball 6 times, he got fouled 5 times and got 3 players booked, not bad"
At one point Stephen Quinn absolutely flattened him and got booked, it was quite amusing
even Jack seemsed to see the funny side of it, welll worth seeing on MOTD2:)
Yes, tricky, there are indeed dual nationals in the world of football... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
If you were to compare Mancienne to anyone though based on the above, it'd be Mark Noble surely; not Jack Grealish who's been playing for us since the age of 14.
Granted it is a poor comparison, as is the Noble one really because I don't see the Seychelles ever being in contention for anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
really, hence I think even people from the Seychelles would rather see him play for England.
If you dont get a cap before 25 it is unlikely you will ever get one, hence Noble has only one real option, to make himself
available for Ireland, which he seems to be on the verge of doing.
It is unusual, but Keith Andrews was 28 when he made his senior debut.Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Noble doesn't appear to be all that interested in representing Ireland. He's still talking about getting a call-up for England. My suspicion is that his agent is trying to compel England into selecting him and giving him a chance by raising fears that they'll permanently lose him if he ends up following through with a switch to us.
They're talking about him on MOTD2 now.
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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Yes I had much the same feeling, seemed more like a "come and get me whilst you can" message to the English FA,
however it does not really look like they are interested. Keith was a bit of an exception, Ireland were struggling a bit
more midfield players. Maybe Mark fancies his chances now Lampard and Gerrard have retired, I don't see it happening though.
Grealish got taken out 3 times by Hull players earlier after coming on as sub...
Three players were booked for fouling him inside the space of a few minutes. Five players took him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
There's a compilation of the footage here: https://vine.co/v/OBwuExPLhdE
That was all after six touches of the ball, as tricky said.
Ah, was only going on MOTD 2 footage...
5 times I think 3 of them won yellow cards!! Didn't seem to bother him much, go upQuote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
with a smile on his face after a rather crunching body check from Quinn.
Also it seems Grealish wears little or no shin pads and his socks are nearly round his ankles.
This seems a bit mad, but I have been wondering if there is method in the madness.
I am wondering if shin pads actually cause more serious injuries? I expect they give players a false
sense of security, when you have shin pads on you are probably more inclined to got into a crusnching
tackle rather than take evasive action.
It is something called Risk compensation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_compensation
You take more risks because you feel safer. Apparently seat belts in cars caused more deaths of pedestrians
and cyclists because drivers felt safer and hence drove faster and more recklessly.
But cars are a bit different to footballers, you can get a new car if you crash it with the driver surviving, it is bit different
from a footballer, pads only offer limited protection, they may prevent the odd bruise, but you may still end up with a broken
leg. Also if a player can see you have no protective pads they may be less inclined to put in a really reckless tackle?
Also if you feel less protected yourself I expect you will take more care to avoid such tackles in the the first place.
Apologies for introducing such high brow stuff to the forum :pQuote:
Risk compensation is a theory which suggests that people typically adjust their behavior in response to the perceived level of risk, becoming more careful where they sense greater risk and less careful if they feel more protected. Although usually small in comparison to the fundamental benefits of safety interventions, it may result in a lower net benefit than expected.[n 1]
By way of example, it has been observed that motorists drove faster when wearing seatbelts and closer to the vehicle in front when the vehicles were fitted with anti-lock brakes. There is also evidence that the risk compensation phenomenon could explain the failure of condom distribution programs to reverse HIV prevalence and that condoms may foster disinhibition, with people engaging in risky sex both with and without condoms.
By contrast, shared space is a highway design method which consciously aims to increase the level of perceived risk and uncertainty, thereby slowing traffic and reducing the number of and seriousness of injuries.
Thanks for that, just been looking at it it in regard of my risk compensation theory, it seems toQuote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
me the players avoid his unprotected lower legs and hit him higher up the body.
This kind of behaviour is also observed on the roads too apparently.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/5334208.stm
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Wearing helmets 'more dangerous
Cyclists who wear protective helmets are more likely to be knocked down by passing vehicles, new research from Bath University suggests.
2,500 overtaking motorists in Salisbury and Bristol were recorded The study found drivers tend to pass closer when overtaking cyclists wearing helmets than those who are bare-headed.
Dr Ian Walker was struck by a bus and a lorry during the experiment. He was wearing a helmet both times.
So wearing a helmet may actually put you at more risk, and the same may go for shin pads!