Shelley and Gray named on Newstalk.
Shelley and Gray named on Newstalk.
Sorry; I should have said it doesn't concern you. It's a matter purely between the players and the club. That you personally - or the fans as a group - weren't informed who was behind the action doesn't mean the players weren't open about things.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Fine then, UI''ll be clearer. i see nothing suspicious in it at all. If you can't point out where you can see it, then thats fine tooQuote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
havent read the full thread but kinda have the gist of it anyways..
If the courts case goes ahead , are we looking at 3/4 weeks before a decision is made , or does anyone know if it'll be resolved sooner ?
Question for bohs fans - i had a quick peek on your messageboard there and I'm a tiny bit surprised at the naivety of a good few of the posters there. You cant honestly blame all your current woes on the greedyness of players and the ar$e fallin outta the property market can you . can you?
Can only hope the members section has the clued up individuals.
it could very well be resolved sooner, if a settlement with the players is reached. At most it will be 3ish weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
There are a fraction of posters, PC, that blame property market/players. The rest of us blame Rovers. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
But seriously, the vast majority blame the previous (mostly) and current board for letting the club get to this stage and lying to the members. In fairness, there are very few who blame the property market and fewer again that blame the players.
I am sure the players and club knew, but for sake of professionalism it was kept private, for both sides sakes. The club and players were both proper and correct in that. However it again boils down to clubs not overstretching. I don't believe that if every club went under this year, that the renovated forms won't do the same next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
I do believe Bohs can take a stride forward, they have the facilities and support, they have good young players (I'd seen their 20's play this year a couple of times) so there is hope. Though if the media make a circus out of it the whole situation is a loss.
Don't forget the oracle of everything, mr2IC, who was 100% sure that shelley had a rovers contract in his hands, and that the rvers chairman was secretly pulling all the strings in his attempts to kill Bohs. Next time you're over there is there any chance you could find out what his next crackpot theory is and post it here.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
From the small pieces of news I've read, I can't see how Boh's or Drog's fans can give any money in full confidence to their respective clubs.
On Boh's, it's a terrible position for any club to be in but seems to be all of their own doing. No players given a contract should be put in a position where they are not being paid. The FAI should be tougher on clubs like this. Derry and Cork got off lightly last season being facilitated in Division One. I'm tempted to say clubs should be demoted, or in Cork's situation installed, in the A Championship but then the furture of that league is not even secure.
2IC will be chuffed! :) He does love a good conspiracy theory - and not just Bohs ones!Quote:
Originally Posted by sundance kid
Probably best, because it's hard to put into words how ridiculous you are coming across.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
I can't remember a time before in which i've agreed with Pinapple Stu but he's been fairly spot on in everything he's said so far.
good man. The Hairy Bowsie seal of disapproval. It guarantees im right.
Well you know what? Time will tell. Won't be long before i'm ****ing on what remains of your club :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Alright. Fair enough. Whatever floats your boat.
If it was two players doing the same to your own club over a few grand (that they will get anyway) just so they can speed up their move to Oz i think you and most would have a different opinion on how much sympathy these guys deserve.
The way i look at it is, i put myself in their position. If i done a months work for my current employers and they told me, i could only have a weeks pay, i'd be pretty ****ed off. You saying you'd be any different?
Red Devils confirm Shelley talks
"Extratime can confirm that the signing has not yet been completed, but that Shelley is in advanced talks with the Australians, and has been for about a month now."
http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/4758/
At least you admit you're being irrational.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Bohs fans are now complaining about a fellah they want off the payroll looking for a job?
Well thats not really the way it is. They were paid in full for the work they did. They are owed wages for the off season. And i think as part of the bigger picture they are looking for a settlement for the portion of their contract they havent yet fulfilled. We cant honour the contract for next season so are trying to buy them out. They have been assured they will receive their money when the club has it and has it for all.
Putting myself in their position - i 'd want my wages for work that i had done and if my employer told me that he couldnt fulfil the rest of my contract but could pay me some compensation, id focus on getting the maximum compensation i could. But yes, id definitely feel aggrieved.
Lookit, Shelley has said he wants to see out his contract with Bohs. Yet he has accepted a position with a club in Australia. But he has lied to the public through his solicitor and said that he didnt accept that job. Why? To squeeze as much out of Bohs as he can as quicly as he can in spite of the assurances he was given. As a Bohs fan, tell me why i have to like that or be silent about it? Its fckin shady.
My other issue is with McGuinness - the players rep. Instead of encouraging these actions he should have done his job and obtained a settlement for the group. By doing this either Shelly/Grey stand to gain more than the group or the group stands to gain more than the two. I dont think he encouraged any Cork or Drogheda players to issue winding up orders. Why stick the knife into Bohs? Anyway, im getting off track.
Seriously Dodge. Start figuring this stuff out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Complaining about him lying through his teeth so he can continue to fck over the club - not complaining about him looking for a job. FFS.
LOL...Quote:
Originally Posted by blue til i die
yeah poor ol Brian.Quote:
However the quotes used in the Australian media came from a press release issued from the Australian side, claiming that he had signed with the club.
The club has confirmed the quotes were correct, but that they should not have been released.
They have also told Extratime that the press release was issued prematurely and that it was a 'mistake' to say that Shelley had signed a two year deal.
His new job is completely irrelevant to the money he is owed. The high court deals with facts, not "ah sure he doesn't really need it" rubbishQuote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
As I said before all the waffling from the PFAI and Bohs is just that. The facs are clear, Bohs owe him money, and he's looking to get it.
Bohs pay him, this ends now.
None of the players with us did. They were incredibly loyal, more than anyone expected. In fact it got to the stage where the fans were behind the players and would have supported them fully in any action they took. In some people's eyes they let themselves take too much crap. But the loyalty shown is something I never imagined would happen and I wouldnt expect in most situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
He did, but that was for his compensation. we had cancelled his contract and he got compensation in court. Coughlan never paid so Farrelly went to wind up. He wasn't a player at the time though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
Seriously? Have you read your messageboard? You wonder why they didn't go public and open themselves up to the threats and abuse in person? The club knew who they were, that was enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
It's funny how people usually only disagree with me when I'm talking about their club. When I'm talking about another club, I get this. Reminds me of the post John83 had in which he had people decrying me as a witch for speaking ill of their clubs. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hairy Bowsie
SkStu, I've a lot of time for you as a poster on here, but I have to say I can't see where you're coming from at all.
The players are owed money, they're legally entitled to that money. Bohs said they didn't have it, and asked the players to wait until a certain date. That date has passed, Bohs now have the money but are refusing to pay. I think 100% percent of the blame in this lies with Bohs, and the players in question feel like they have beeen left with no other option but to play hardball and go to court (It's not hard to understand why they might not put too much faith in Bohs' request that they just wait longer for the money).
As people have said, once you pay these players, the story is over. You have the money to pay them - you admit that they'll eventually get it anyway. Why not just pay them now and save yourselves the hassle and bad publicity?
Not to mention legal fees. Thats why I think Bohs don't have the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Which probably throws up more worries (as in has all the findraising money gone already?)
AFAIK the money owed is on existing wages. Yet Bohs are still trying to negotiate a pay off for future wages? What confidence would any of the players hvae that the pay off will be paid on time when outstanding wages aren't being paid?
I read yesterday that bohs have nearly reached their 300k fundraising target but most of the amount was in the form of pledges, if bohs seriously believe that all even half of that 300k will ever materialize into the form of real money then they are living in the land of OZ thats why maybe they are letting this go through the courts cause they dont have the money.It would be a huge risk to play around with the high court if they could actually afford to pay the players off.
All very well if it were remotely trueQuote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
- The two players (Shelley and Gray) set the date not the club. the club indicated it hoped to be in a position to pay all players by the end of January (this, of course remains to be seen)
- the club currently does not have the money to pay off all the players involved - fact. unless you are suggesting they pay off these two to the exclusion of the others your point does not stack up.
- the players are not just seeking wages due but a buyout payment for next season. As they are likely to be unable to comply with the commitments of their contract they have no entitlement to any payoff.
other than that you are 100% correct :rolleyes:
The two players had to set the date because the club consistently didn't meet the agreed date (as in, no wages since 30 November)Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
So how's Paddy Madden being paid? Or do you coincidentally have coming each week only an amount equal to his wages? What about the amount received from the FAI? Or the E300k the club say they've raised? (The possibility here is that what the club are reporting as moneys raised is actually only pledges promised, which as the US Government will tell you are two completely different things).Quote:
- the club currently does not have the money to pay off all the players involved - fact. unless you are suggesting they pay off these two to the exclusion of the others your point does not stack up.
I would doubt you could sue for something like that.Quote:
- the players are not just seeking wages due but a buyout payment for next season.
You can't sue for money you're not entitled to yet. Unless Bohs unilaterally terminated their contracts then in that case it would be compensation based on future earnings.
Spot on. They are suing only for WAGES owed, not for any mythical severance package.
also Stu, the players didn't really 'set the date'. Statute did, once it was clear they weren't getting paid and had to go down this route there's a statutory requirement for Bohs to have settled with the creditors within 21 days.
I suppose you could argue the players set the date by initiating proceedings, but yeah, statute chipped in as well alright.
So, ironically, marinobohs, it seems that "other than that you are 100% correct"
It depends on whether the option of an extension on Shelley's contract was triggerable by the player or the club. If it required Bohs' consent then Shelley wouldn't be entitled to a claim, but if it was him who could trigger the option then the club would need to make him a reasonable offer of settlement (and the fact the club didn't release him would be circumstantial evidence that they wanted him to stay another year).Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
Intro to a post on the Bohs forum about McGuinness -
Followed by a raft of agreement (not one post challenging this).Quote:
Originally Posted by ashbournebohs
Imagine turning on the board. What a ridiculous concept. Sure what have they done to get the club into their current position? It's all the players' fault; everyone knows that.
If the shoe was on the other foot and them jokers on the Bohs forum weren't paid by their jobs they would be whinging and moaning to uncle joe on liveline, Its sad to see fans of clubs being so naive , players want their money thats all they played for Bohs in the first place for they dont care about the clubs history they care about feeding their family's and paying their morgage shocking demands!!
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Originally Posted by marinobohs
The Bohs position in December was
The players were obviously sceptical about this mind-January 'promise', and apparently with good reasonQuote:
The Dalymount Park club said they have been in negotiation with players since last month on offers to buy-out existing contracts and added that players were told that it would likely be mid-January 2011 when funds would be in place to back the contract offers.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2010/1221/bohemians.html
You enjoying yourself Stu?Trawling websites of other clubs looking for material to slag them off about.You must have a hell of a lot of time on your hands!Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Get a girlfriend or something pal!
At least you've moved on from "Bohs are in the right"
Never claimed that.Just questioned the MO of the two boys as compared to the other 8.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Anyway sorry to interrupt your enjoyment of Bohs plight.
Carry on!
That's fair enough, I've been wrong in my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
But as pointed out, the players can't sue over a buyout of their contract, only for wages owed. That, apparently, is around 4 grand (each, or altogether, I don't know). Are you really telling me Bohs don't have that much to pay these two players and make the winding-up order go away?
I don't think you really need to "trawl" to find material.Quote:
Originally Posted by btid1