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Scored from outside the box, although it did take a significant deflection: https://vine.co/v/OBhUvFA9nFLQuote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
the comment at 00:53 is interesting
http://www.rte.ie/sport/player/734/640263/
What does it say at 0.53? I cant connect to it
its an interview with some journo -- journo says he interviewed noble just last year and noble said he hoped to be called up for england as it would make his a father a happy man before he diedQuote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
Tbh i realise we aint in a position to be turning down good players who want to declare for us but comments like the above cant help but leave a bad taste in my mouth
Noble a better option than Whelan because he's an established Premier League player. Have you ever heard such nonsense....
Whelan has over 175 PL appearances, over 50 International caps, plays for a better PL team and doesn't have a relegation on his CV; and West Ham are no better a footballing side than West Ham.
By all means add depth to the squad and have a player be unhappy if he isn't playing football but this all comes across as throw enough sh*t at something and it will stick.
The players we are being linked with (sigh) wouldn't even get into the team on merit as it stands. We are talking about England cast offs here not Germany, Spain or Italy cast offs.
Who were the two interviewing? They were awful. One of them thought Noble had already declared for us, whilst neither were able to correct the West Ham fan in relation to Cascarino's eligibility. Cascarino used a bit of artistic licence in his autobiography, but his eligibility was all perfectly above board. The interviewee said he didn't see any problem with us being Noble's "second choice"; they should have asked him what he would have made of it if it was a case of a 27-year-old former German under-age international contemplating switching to England as back-up after trying to get into the senior Germany squad his whole career.Quote:
Originally Posted by back of the net
no idea who they were dan - yeah it was an ill informed interview alrightQuote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
But i do find it worrying if hes comments on noble playing for england last year are true
If they are - it just makes a complete mockery of representing your country
I sometimes think dud interviews are chosen deliberately to undermine Irish football, but more realistically I think it betrays an editorial ignorance of what is actually of real interest wrt Irish football. Shephen Ireland mania being the most notable example.
Ive lived in London for almost 30 years and ive never heard anyone say fenian here aside from some guy giving a talk about Irish history pre WWI. I just cant see it happening, a guy from Canning Town saying a phrase like that. I think the guy on reddit is a bit of a chancer, it sounds like a figment of his imagination. It would be more believable if he had at least claimed to have heard a phrase that hadnt left common parlance a century agoQuote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
We haven't yet heard any different from Noble. He could have the same opinion as O'Hara, 'honoured and all that to be asked, but i'm English'.Quote:
Originally Posted by back of the net
Fair point geysirQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
the reports about Lampard and Gudjohnsen came out immediately after it happened, there's been no mention of these alleged remarks from Noble until now, which doesn't add to their credibilityQuote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Mark noble is on goals on sunday on sky shortly
Absolute joke - Noble said on Goals on Sunday - that his agent has spoken to the Ireland camp, he will make a decision on it in the next few weeks.....
but.....he also said he is only 27 so he still harbours hope that he will get an england call up
Real cringe stuff - dont want him anywhere near our setup after seeing that
Maybe I'm on my own here but I'd rather have Irish players playing & lose than someone like Noble & win. When I say Irish I don't just mean being born here. Someone like Kevin Kilbane born in Preston but he was Irish as it gets. Let's have a bit of respect for ourselves, it's an honour & a privilege to play for this Country not some consolation prize.
At this stage, it really doesn't make much difference. He could declare and then be permanently injured/in a huff like Gibson...
Too many modern footballers are just up themselves and their words count for very little.
Completely agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by bishbash
I agree with bishbash with the qualifying remark that they dont need to be as Irish as Kilbane. It's a tough one to pin down which is why I rely on my instinct.
I'm actually peeved with O'Neill for both chasing these guys and for publicly declaring that we need to be chasing thse guys because he doesn't rate what he has. Bull.
Agree with the rest of your post, but unfortunately not how most footballers regard the international game now, just as an 'optional extra' .Quote:
Originally Posted by bishbash
He's doing a lot of 'dilly-dallying' for someone who has 50% Irish blood. Pilkington claimed on 25% (his paternal grandmother) and was showing good form at a younger age than Noble is now.
It does appear like Noble's dream is to get an England call-up and he is really doing his utmost to fulfill Joey Barton's stereotype (i.e. not good enough for England, claim for Ireland).
He donned the England jersey on numerous occasions as a younger lad and even wore the captain's armband. An identity crisis appears to be facing him.
That talk of getting agents involved does make it sound like a business decision though.
I obviously don't want him anywhere near the set up for myriad reasons that are obvious to decipher, so I won't add much to what I have already said.
Sam Allardyce has encouraged him to declare for Ireland because he will never get to play for England.
Personally, I think we are wasting our time with him.
[QUOTE=ArdeeBhoy;1775754]At this stage, it really doesn't make much difference. He could declare and then be permanently injured/in a huff like Gibson...
Too many modern footballers are just up themselves and their words count for very little.[/QUOTE
how can gibson be name checked in a thread about utter merceneries like this noble ape. Gibson is born breed Irish and has played for us since under 19s. That kind of post is an embarrassment to any Irish supporter.
Should do donations for banner for wednesday night saying **** off noble you british ****
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Originally Posted by liamoo11
please tell me ur joking.....
Besides the dubious spelling, not sure your analogy works.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11how can gibson be name checked in a thread about utter merceneries like this noble ape. Gibson is born breed Irish and has played for us since under 19s. That kind of post is an embarrassment to any Irish supporter.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Gibson's hardly proved himself of much use to the international team since switching.
I don't think any central midfielder was allowed to prove his worth under Trap! Whelan was allowed to clock up caps despite not proving any worth. I think Gibson should have put up and shut up wrt Trap but part of me sympathises. I think a fit and sharp Gibson is a good player, a proper midfielder, someone who doesn't fear the ball and can use it well. Unfortunately his injury means he still has some way to go to reach his potential.
The first three words of that banner would be sufficient.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
i couldnt care less how good any northern born lad or english/dutch/belgian/spanish/german/ born lad is as long as he wants to play for his country(ireland). if he turns out to be an excellent footballer who makes a good career like gibson great but if he struggles to make a pro career at a high level like ger crossley im still proud he did his best for his countryQuote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
If that's Noble's attitude then the fck off should be directed to our management team, who (if it transpires) would be 99% responsible for his presence in the squad.
Here is the link to the video of Mark Noble talking today on Goals on Sunday. It's on page 3.
http://www.sportinglife.com/video/23...gland-ambition
Ah screw that, his interview pretty much says we're his second choice, hes barely being diplomatic about it. I have a feeling its a last "come and get me plea" for him to get into the England squad, would rather not have him in the squad... Although part of me would find it funny if he was put in the squad and given 2 mins against Georgia to cap-tie him and then never called up again.
Sounds like Nazis aryan stuff - blood percentages were used to calculate whether someone was Jewish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Personally, it has never bothered me someone's motives for declaring for us. All that matters to me is, does he strength the side? I don't know enough about him to make a judgement in this regard.
My thoughts exactly. He's probably hoping for a call from Woy to give him some sort of reassurance.Quote:
Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo
It will be interesting to see if a CM pulls out of the England squad in the next few days who the replacement will be....
does he play for Armenia?Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
He just comes across in the interview as he views himself 100% english in the interview.
I not sure whether i find it funny or insulting the way he views potentially declaring for Ireland
Im all for appreciating improving the squad and its about winning games.........but including Noble in our squad when he has that attitude is just wrong in every way
If he would find it strange wearing the green as he says in the interview , then I cant see how his heart would be into wearing it.
His attitude really bothers me - O'Neill and Keane need to draw a line on this if and when they see that interview
Whatever bout winning games , they need to realise that the wearing the green jersey should be a players priority
I think it's true of any walk of life; some people's word you can trust and others' word you can't. Footballers are people with human faults too, like anyone else, albeit with a bit more disposable cash in some instances. Anyway, I don't think it's fair on Gibson to compare him with the likes of Noble. For clarity, Gibson never formally switched from one association to another as he had never played for the IFA in a FIFA-recognised competitive fixture. He's always officially been an FAI player, as far as FIFA are concerned. To quantify what he's offered, he has, since 2004, played for Ireland at under-17 level and later captained us at both under-19 and under-21 levels. He has won 21 senior caps since 2007.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
There were rumours he had a falling out with Trap after the Spain game at the Euros when Trap allegedly poked fun at some excess weight he was supposed to have been carrying in front of the rest of the squad. It seems, there was also another incident after the Italy game which might have left Gibson feeling upset or insulted, although I don't think we ever found out what its nature was.
He felt embarrassed and angry after not seeing game-time at the Euros; fearing Trap had a problem with him, he sought clarification from his manager, only to be dismissively told he was "young" before Trap walked off. Whatever about the rights and wrongs of it or who was primarily to blame for the falling out, it appears the working relationship between manager and player broke down completely. I thought Gibson's self-imposed exile was petulant and self-detrimental - the wrong option to take to deal with his problem - but I did sympathise with his sense of grievance.
I don't think he appreciated Trap advising him to leave United at the time either, although he did later acknowledge that joining Everton was beneficial for him and that Trap might have been right on that front after all. That showed a level of maturity at least.
Otherwise, he's been fully committed to playing for Ireland and even admitted he had "something to prove" when he was re-selected by Noel King after Trap left the managerial post. There's nothing he can do about being injured. I'm sure it's been very frustrating for him to have missed out for so long.
Out of interest, under what circumstances were you called similar? I've not lived over here for as long as edmundo has, but in the four years I've been here, I don't think I've ever heard (in person, at least) an English person use the term "fenian" as an insult. Anti-Irish sentiment isn't all that fashionable in England any more. I did once have a rendition of the notorious 'Billy Boys' sung at me by a disgruntled and clearly mentally-unstable homeless drunk man slouched next to a cash machine begging when I had no change to give him and he didn't take too well to my pronunciation of Derry after he asked me where I was from, but he was from east Belfast originally and was being generally nasty and abusive/racist towards anyone and everyone in the ATM queue who had no spare change for him. Nobody had provoked him, but he was clearly very bitter about the hand that life had dealt him. He erupted into frothy sectarian verse as I departed and assured me that he hadn't wanted any of my "taig money" anyway whilst cartoonishly waving his fist at me.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
I've had people do that silly "po-tay-to" pronunciation thing with me from time to time, but, although a bit irritating, it's generally done in the spirit of harmless jest, whilst I recall a passing boorish lad with a bit of drink in him referring to the Irish supporters of Dungiven boxer Paul McCloskey leaving the MEN Arena after his loss to Amir Khan a few years ago as "paddies, but other than those very isolated incidents, I can't say I've experienced any explicit anti-Irish prejudice over here. I can only really imagine a die-hard loyalist, a bitter Rangers fan or a BNP/EDL-type ever using "fenian" in a derogatory fashion in this day and age, unless it is that I've not been hanging around with the wrong sort of people enough...
I also find it hard to believe that Noble would collectively refer to a group of Irish supporters (including men, women and children) as "fenian b*stards", especially when two of his grandparents were "full Irish" themselves.
i've been in the uk ten years, 3 of them in scotland, and i've never heard anyone use the word fenian except at a celtic match.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
i doubt londoners known what a fenian is/means. i barely know what it means. that said i wouldn't be in the least surprised if noble had said 'fackin b***rds' and it was misheard. he was only 20 odd at the time after all.
Seen that word on a lot of forums/social media but wouldn't bother me unduly, even if used in a negative sense...
Usually used in an anti-Irish perspective, which usually means our very existence still 'gets' to certain people!
As for Noble, if it helps, the Hammers I met reckon he should play for us, especially if overlooked by 'Inger-land'!
Their attitude is he's good enough to play international football, though they don't seem to care for who especially...more than he should be on a 'bigger' stage...
And acknowledge DI's impassioned defence of Gibson, personally feel he's got far more to prove for Ireland than Noble IMO.
Doubt it, according to the Irish Mirror Steve Walford was sent to watch Noble v Southampton.Quote:
Originally Posted by back of the net
http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/socc...-still-4138608
Don't see Noble playing for England either. I'm sure England squad absentees Barkley, Lallana, Cleverley, Huddlestone, Livermore, Rodwell, Shelvey, Ward Prowse etc. are ahead of him in the queue