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22/11/2018, 2:23 PM
Diggs246

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Originally Posted by Diggs246

https://foot.ie/attachment.php?attachmentid=2737&stc=1

looks like somebody, said something mean to Terry and Mick wasn't having it
22/11/2018, 2:24 PM
osarusan

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

I cannot understand, and maybe I'm just out of the loop when it comes to discussing football, but I cannot understand how we have posters discount Stephen Kenny and then at the same time say they'd take Michael O'neill if he was available. For me that just does not compute.

Michael O'Neill has shown he can get the most out of a small pool of limited players by playing organised football...at international level. Kenny hasn't done that.

As I said yesterday, I think the previous accomplishments a manager brings with them to a position help to earn them respect, and buy them time when things aren't going their way. The greater the previous accomplishments, (and the level of those accomplishments) the more the respect, and the longer the players will have faith that the manager has what it takes to sort things out, before they finally conclude that he has actually lost the plot.

Rightly or wrongly, after a string of bad performances and results, I don't think the players would have all that much respect for or faith in Kenny, given the level they are playing at and the level he has managed at.
22/11/2018, 2:24 PM
DeLorean

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Originally Posted by brine3

He was being polite. I watched that clip and he was nothing but a Mick McCarthy cheerleader.

That's nonsense, imho
22/11/2018, 2:24 PM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

When is the Draw for the Euro’s ? I heard Brian Kerr make the good point that the FAI would like to have a Name / Face for the Draw . It may seem like a small thing but its a little embarrassing not to have a manager to do the necessary ; Media stuff ; after the Draw . Kerr had a point on this .

from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_E...ualifying#Draw

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The qualifying group stage draw will be held on 2 December 2018, 12:00 CET (11:00 local time) at the Convention Centre Dublin in Dublin, Republic of Ireland.
22/11/2018, 2:25 PM
Kingdom

"...Just the two of us...."
22/11/2018, 2:28 PM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by brine3

He was being polite. I watched that clip and he was nothing but a Mick McCarthy cheerleader.

can you post the clip? Off the ball usually make everything available online.
22/11/2018, 2:30 PM
brine3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1ATMkLNl0Q

Kilbane repeatedly repeats the talking point that Kenny is a nobody, and Mick is inspiring. Like a broken record.
22/11/2018, 2:31 PM
Diggs246

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

That's nonsense, imho

I felt he was clearly stating (in a nice way) , that a section of the players didnt respect Kerr on his arrival and the same would happen with Kenny.
Kilbane actually said (all be it in his opinion) the following players wont have a clue who Kenny is : Arter, O'Dowda, Brady, Hendricks
22/11/2018, 2:48 PM
brine3

Kilbane also said that Kerr improved him as a player. Which is true. Under Mick it was just stick Killer out on the wing. Kerr developed him into Zinedine. Kilbane helped shut down the French midfield in Paris.

And then Kilbane goes and craps on Kerr.
22/11/2018, 2:51 PM
nigel-harps1954

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Originally Posted by Diggs246

I felt he was clearly stating (in a nice way) , that a section of the players didnt respect Kerr on his arrival and the same would happen with Kenny.
Kilbane actually said (all be it in his opinion) the following players wont have a clue who Kenny is : Arter, O'Dowda, Brady, Hendricks

Nonsense though that none of the players will know who Kenny is.

Dundalks run in Europe gained huge attention across the water. To suggest that Irish born and reared players would have never heard of him either is total nonsense.

The likes of Jeff Hendrick and Robbie Brady were both at St Kevins Boys when Kenny was already a League of Ireland winning and FAI Cup winning manager, and with European experience behind him at Longford, Bohs and Derry. Also had his ill-fated spell at Dunfermline behind him before either of them moved to England.

Often a stick held up to beat Kenny with, but easy to forget, his spell in Scotland was now 12 years ago, when he was still in his mid-30's.

At 47 years of age, he has 20 years of a managerial career behind him.

He's masterminded Dundalks rags to riches story, and is the most suitable candidate for this job in my opinion. He's a risk free option too.
22/11/2018, 2:54 PM
backstothewall

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

I cannot understand, and maybe I'm just out of the loop when it comes to discussing football, but I cannot understand how we have posters discount Stephen Kenny and then at the same time say they'd take Michael O'neill if he was available. For me that just does not compute.

And when he took over the North, he certainly had a couple of well-established PL players: off the top of my head, Aaron , Steven Davis, Jonny Evans. Even Kyle Lafferty you'd have in the big-time Charlie category.
Maybe the difference is that the English born players the North had in the squad were of a lower calibre, and the stars were 6 county boys, and more likely to support one of their own? But we don't really have that excuse. We have a good majority of LOI lads in the squad.

It's about the authority he would command among the players because there is a gaping hole in his experience. Kerr had the same basic problem. So did Stan.

That's not to say that any of the players would ever behave disrespectfully towards him, but it's not going to work if the players doubt the managers knows what he's on about. Even if only subconsciously.

With Stan the issue was that he had no managerial experience. He played his last game on New Years Eve 2005 and was managing a national football team less than 3 weeks later. He had no track record in management at all

Kerr had coaching experience coming out his ears but he had no experience of top level football. He had never worked outside Ireland, either as a player or a coach.

And exactly the same is true of Kenny. Never played outside Ireland. His one go in management outside of Ireland was a disaster. Back with his tail between his legs with a year.

Michael O'Neill had similar levels of success in management as Kenny when he took the NI job, but he had played at a elite level before that. He had 31 international caps.

If Jeff Kenna or Mark Kennedy were enjoying the sort of success Stephen Kenny is as a league of Ireland manager it would probably be a different story.
22/11/2018, 2:58 PM
nigel-harps1954

If a player shows no respect, you don't pick them next time. Simple. Anyone who comes in as manager will have to lay down the law straight away. Doesn't matter if he has 50 years top level experience or none.
22/11/2018, 2:59 PM
TrapAPony

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Originally Posted by brine3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1ATMkLNl0Q

Kilbane repeatedly repeats the talking point that Kenny is a nobody, and Mick is inspiring. Like a broken record.

He is right in some ways. Re the instant respect issue, who would likely get Declan Rice on board, Mick McCarthy or Stephen Kenny?
22/11/2018, 3:00 PM
Kingdom

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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

Nonsense though that none of the players will know who Kenny is.

Dundalks run in Europe gained huge attention across the water. To suggest that Irish born and reared players would have never heard of him either is total nonsense.

The likes of Jeff Hendrick and Robbie Brady were both at St Kevins Boys when Kenny was already a League of Ireland winning and FAI Cup winning manager, and with European experience behind him at Longford, Bohs and Derry. Also had his ill-fated spell at Dunfermline behind him before either of them moved to England.

I wouldn't be so sure about that Nigel, genuinely I wouldn't. LOI wouldn't be on the radar of established internationals in their mid-late 20's now, who left here in their mid-teens.
22/11/2018, 3:09 PM
backstothewall

Was thinking there. If Ipswich are relegated from the Championship this season (as looks likely) Kenny could do a lot worse than asking Mick to put a word in for him to take the job in League 1 next season. He'd have a great chance of helping a good club bounce back and start proving himself with a view to getting the job next time around.
22/11/2018, 3:10 PM
Stuttgart88

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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

If a player shows no respect, you don't pick them next time. Simple. Anyone who comes in as manager will have to lay down the law straight away. Doesn't matter if he has 50 years top level experience or none.

I don't think we're talking petulant teenager and weak teacher scenario here. Of course there'll be respect, but what KK was saying is that Mick will bring an aura with him that Kenny may have to earn rather than immediately deliver.

I said above that the right appointment is a combination of it being the right man for the right team at the right time. I think Mick is probably all 3. If we'd sacked MON a year ago Kenny would have been all 3 then. Not only do we need a change but we need a quick sugar hit too because we are now straight into qualifying and that's why I am favouring Mick, albeit with relatively low conviction.
22/11/2018, 3:12 PM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by brine3

Kilbane also said that Kerr improved him as a player. Which is true. Under Mick it was just stick Killer out on the wing. Kerr developed him into Zinedine. Kilbane helped shut down the French midfield in Paris.

And then Kilbane goes and craps on Kerr.

Pretty sure Kilbane had other managers than Kerr at that time.
22/11/2018, 3:17 PM
zero

it's done already. Mick.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018...d-ireland-job/

welcome back. I hope it works out.
22/11/2018, 3:28 PM
liamoo11

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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

If a player shows no respect, you don't pick them next time. Simple. Anyone who comes in as manager will have to lay down the law straight away. Doesn't matter if he has 50 years top level experience or none.

As long as your not Matt Doherty
22/11/2018, 3:31 PM
DeLorean

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Originally Posted by brine3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1ATMkLNl0Q

Kilbane repeatedly repeats the talking point that Kenny is a nobody, and Mick is inspiring. Like a broken record.

He only repeatedly repeats the (fairly simple and completely logical) point because Murphy keeps forcefully opposing it.

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