wot neg image,r u confuzing negative wit positive there eh?Quote:
Originally posted by Peadar
Am I a bit early with this post?
He has yet to impress me.
negative image of Cork worries me to be honest.
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wot neg image,r u confuzing negative wit positive there eh?Quote:
Originally posted by Peadar
Am I a bit early with this post?
He has yet to impress me.
negative image of Cork worries me to be honest.
if we win is right will we win,doubt it biy!Quote:
Originally posted by Peadar
If we win all our games from now 'til the end of the season we would surely win the league.
i think he's referring to a growing dislike some of the other clubs have for us, doesn't bother me to be honest. much of it seems to be due to petty niggly arguments asround the message boards about the size of crowds and of flags.Quote:
Originally posted by ccfcman
wot neg image,r u confuzing negative wit positive there eh?
some call it jealousy, others call it dislike for our delusions of grandeur.
could be worse, we could be Shels:D :D
Living in Dublin when you're asked what club you support and your reply is "Cork City FC", you expect and enjoy a bit of banter but more and more recently it's negative references to Dolan. This is in turn negative for the club. It's very hard to see this if you live in Cork. I'm sure other expats will agree with me.Quote:
Originally posted by tiktok
i think he's referring to a growing dislike some of the other clubs have for us,
To be honest I don't advocate the removal of managers too soon after they've been appointed. It provides for uncertainty and instability within the squad and indeed the club. I accept that Dolan has a 3 year contract and on current form would be agreeable with him fullfilling that contract. The reason I posed the question was to encourage certain people to examine the basis of their loyalty and admiration of Patrick Dolan. Hero status is hard earned especially in a county with a proud sporting tradition such as ours. Support our team and our manager but keep the worship for church on Sunday. At least until we've reason to purchase industral sized tubs of silver polish.
To be fair, Dolan does contribute hugely to the dislike that exists towards CCFC. He does spend a lot of time criticising the Dublin clubs, etc and this does provoke a reaction from their fans.
Having said that, I couldn't give a damn how we're viewed. Real Madrid don't get a friendly reception in Barca, but that doesn't affect them.
So, i wouldn't see any reason to tone down our support for CCFC
I wasn't suggesting that anyone should tone down their support for Cork City FC, far from it.Quote:
Originally posted by liamon
So, i wouldn't see any reason to tone down our support for CCFC
I was suggesting that people be a little more cautious with there adoration of Dolan.
**** the dubs>dolan loves city and so do we its as simple as that
Why does he love City?Quote:
Originally posted by ccfcman
dolan loves city
Because he was born there?
Because he grew up a fan?
or
Because he has a 3 year contract.
In the history of the club, Pat Dolans love for City will be recorded as a mere holiday romance not a undying love.
but he loved St. Pats more than anyone until a few months ago. Of course he loves City now - some City fans give him the adoration he longs for.Quote:
Originally posted by ccfcman
**** the dubs>dolan loves city and so do we its as simple as that
I was still living in Dublin when his appointment was announced. Most people thought he'd improve the club, and he has. But they also talked about him and the way he consistantly has some cause to chase after and consistantly making out that everyone hates him - a siege mentality.
Fans in general don't like him and a result don't like City.
Pats fans are so glad they are rid of him, how many City fans have stopped to wonder why that is??
They laughing at us cause we think he's the business.
I dont adore the man........but I think he has done a good & steady job since he came here and am willing to get behind him 100% over the next couple of season in his pursuit of glory for Cork City...
my repsonse was to the Dolan Out Comment which I stil think is crazy after half a season.....
I also dont give two shíts what other fans of other clubs think of our Club.......
Neither do I particularly but there are those among us who have been taken in by the Pat Dolan light.
"I also dont give two shíts what other fans of other clubs think of our Club......."
You shouldn't care what opposition fans think but when he was here we got no co-operation from the FAI/ eL or any of our rivals (He made enemies too easily and it cost us) If at official club level Cork is not liked by anybody there's a problem. As Lennox handles everything (apparently) it shouldn't be a problem.
Sorry for butting in...
To be honest, I think that's great. Most of the great managers, past and present, have used a seige mentality in order to gain great success. If Dolan does the same with us, great.Quote:
Originally posted by liamon
To be fair, Dolan does contribute hugely to the dislike that exists towards CCFC. He does spend a lot of time criticising the Dublin clubs, etc and this does provoke a reaction from their fans.
No-one likes us, we don't care.:)
to be honest in our case, there's no change then :)Quote:
Originally posted by Dodge
You shouldn't care what opposition fans think but when he was here we got no co-operation from the FAI/ eL or any of our rivals
That was in the days when our players were more rhobust than skillfull. We're in different times now where professionalism is the word on everyones lips. To rely on the seige mentality as our key strenght is just plain crazy. Sure it makes sense to make teams feel intimidated in Turners Cross but making enemies of other League clubs will only harm us.Quote:
Originally posted by Colm
Most of the great managers, past and present, have used a seige mentality in order to gain great success.
:confused:Quote:
Originally posted by niamh
Neither do I particularly but there are those among us who have been taken in by the Pat Dolan light.
I don't think anyone suggested we rely on a siege mentality as our main strategy. Many of the top managers in Europe use this technique to build team spirit up to this day. Just look at Wenger ranting about Arsenal getting picked on in the eng prem div.Quote:
Originally posted by Peadar
That was in the days when our players were more rhobust than skillfull. ... To rely on the seige mentality as our key strenght is just plain crazy. .
Don't see a problem with it, if it gets results.
ah liamon, don't compare Dolan to Arsene Whinger:D
Yeah, I apologise.
Dolan's obviously a man of far greater stature.
would have replied earlier but im still laughing at peaders suggestion of having roddy as our manager,are u spending too much time watching dublin clubs peader that u have secretly started to support one of them and are just posting here to wind us up.Roddy will be back plastering soon so if anyone has any foxer u might throw it his way he might need a few bob to tie him over until he as he says fulfills his dream of managing ireland :D
Just to put this on the record, I spoke to Dolan once or twice when he was at Pats and he was full of admiration for City and said things like "Imagine what you could do down here", "you have amazing potential down here in cork" etc., I think he has always had an interest in managing city to be honestQuote:
Originally posted by Peadar
Why does he love City?
Because he was born there?
Because he grew up a fan?
or
Because he has a 3 year contract.
In the history of the club, Pat Dolans love for City will be recorded as a mere holiday romance not a undying love.
We get ****-all from the FAI and the league anyway, so it makes no difference. Good point all the sameQuote:
Originally posted by Dodge
"I also dont give two shíts what other fans of other clubs think of our Club......."
You shouldn't care what opposition fans think but when he was here we got no co-operation from the FAI/ eL or any of our rivals (He made enemies too easily and it cost us) If at official club level Cork is not liked by anybody there's a problem. As Lennox handles everything (apparently) it shouldn't be a problem.
Sorry for butting in...
Paul Doolin has been given permission to speak with Dorkgheda this week (Tuesday I think). I'd hate to seem him go there because he'd almost certainly make them a good team. Heard whisper on Friday that he was going to see out the season at UCD and take over Rovers next season.
He's the type of manager I'd like to see at City.
Pat Dolan can do the PR stuff.
Doolin has UCD playing some good football and to be fair their league position is not an honest reflection of this.
They've been unlucky in a few games but I hope they stay up if it means the Louth crowd go down.
Doolin for City...
questionoing his loyalty?Quote:
Originally posted by Peadar
Because he has a 3 year contract.
In the history of the club, Pat Dolans love for City will be recorded as a mere holiday romance not a undying love.
f-ck sake hes not even a season in
Pat Dolan should start selling tickets for something, anything.Quote:
Originally posted by ccfcman
questionoing his loyalty?
f-ck sake hes not even a season in
He'd make a fortune because so many people here buy every tale he spins. Such a trusting nation the Peoples Republic is!
hes not an advertising gimmic hes the manager!:D
I agree with the general tone of most of the comments.
It's much too early to make definitive conclusions about Pat. He's brought in a lot of new players who will take time to settle.
There are things I don't like eg his eagerness to make comments about everything under the sun some of them not the smartest in the world.
This seems to be an ego thing but thats just part of his personality that you have to live with.
Lets leave it till the end of his second season at least.
Well since my main candidate, Paul Doolin has been appointed new manager of Drogheda United after dumping UCD yesterday morning, I'll settle for Dolan for now.Quote:
Originally posted by paudie
Lets leave it till the end of his second season at least.
peader has made some very good points. why should everyone get all pro dolan all of a sudden. however athe guy does need at least another couple of seasons before a proper assessment can be made (unless of course he turns into as bad a manager as mountie). i think the fact he has spoken to a few of the supporters clubs has moisten their trousers a bit, hence the OTT pro pat reactions
that said city have dissapointed so far. our away form is as dismal as ever and in key games against pats at the cross, shels in the cup and waterford in the league the team has bottled it. as for the return of coughlan him coming back hardly settles our problesm at the back, god knows he was responible for enough leaky goals when he played for us. the club should be a lot higher and it is clear we will be finishing 5th this season
also o'callaghan (here I go again) isn't really a centre forward is he. perhaps a move to midfield might do the trick. flynn is the real differance at this club.
anyway as james pointed legends aren't born in half a season, neither are failures.
the jury is still out as far i am concerned
I thought Kevin Murray did well on Sunday.Quote:
Originally posted by dalo
as for the return of coughlan him coming back hardly settles our problesm at the back,
We can't credit Dolan for him though.
there was nothing wrong with Derek Mountfield, he was sacked after three losses in a row, one that put us out of the cup and two league games, where if we'd taken four points we would have been top of the league. we all know the ego that was behind him being sacked, and it's only now we're getting past that old boy's club mentality.Quote:
Originally posted by dalo
.....(unless of course he turns into as bad a manager as mountie)...
Dolan had a similarly bad run recently, which spawned this thread, we are rightly supporting Dolan now, shame a few more people didn't stand up for the manager back then.
Lads give it a rest for f--k sake. We will be up there at the end of the season and all you lads will be the first to sake Pat's hand if he gets us in to europe. So lads stop this sh-t now.:o
lets give dolan a chance i think we are to soon to judge
you're even worse than dunphy. you're only happy when you're annoying people :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by dalo
i think the fact he has spoken to a few of the supporters clubs has moisten their trousers a bit, hence the OTT pro pat reactions
You want reasons to be happy? Here:
1. More professional running of the whole club than at any time in its history.
2. More professional players than ever before.
3. A manager who speaks to fans, acknowledges their existence and doesn't insult them. AND he even writes his own programme notes :eek:
4. Team playing better football than last year,not perfect, but better.
5. A manager who actually goes out into the community and promotes the club.
6. A more coherent strategy long-term for the club for training facilities.
7. A manager who shares, promotes and aids his chairmans and his fans vision for the club.
Put simply my primary concern with City is that the fans are appreciate as the ones who make this club exist, because thats the bare bones of it. Its finally happening. We could be bottom of the league and I'd be happier than I was last season. Dolan isn't the greatest tactical genius of alll time, if he was, lets face it, he wouldn't be managing in this league. he has lifted our clubs profile, professionalised the approach of club and players and shown some appreciation to fans who were ritually shat on by baords and managers down the years. brian Lennox is a huge part of this, but IMO is quite happy to leave Dolan have the acclaim for it. Now please, just quit griping and sniping.
I totally agree with you Ian. Some people here seem to bitching for the sake of bitching, give Pat a chance, he's still quite new to the job.Quote:
Originally posted by ian
Lads give it a rest for f--k sake. We will be up there at the end of the season and all you lads will be the first to sake Pat's hand if he gets us in to europe. So lads stop this sh-t now.:o
Quote:
Originally posted by Éanna
you're even worse than dunphy. you're only happy when you're annoying people :rolleyes:
You want reasons to be happy? Here:
1. More professional running of the whole club than at any time in its history.
2. More professional players than ever before.
3. A manager who speaks to fans, acknowledges their existence and doesn't insult them. AND he even writes his own programme notes :eek:
4. Team playing better football than last year,not perfect, but better.
5. A manager who actually goes out into the community and promotes the club.
6. A more coherent strategy long-term for the club for training facilities.
7. A manager who shares, promotes and aids his chairmans and his fans vision for the club.
Put simply my primary concern with City is that the fans are appreciate as the ones who make this club exist, because thats the bare bones of it. Its finally happening. We could be bottom of the league and I'd be happier than I was last season. Dolan isn't the greatest tactical genius of alll time, if he was, lets face it, he wouldn't be managing in this league. he has lifted our clubs profile, professionalised the approach of club and players and shown some appreciation to fans who were ritually shat on by baords and managers down the years. brian Lennox is a huge part of this, but IMO is quite happy to leave Dolan have the acclaim for it. Now please, just quit griping and sniping.
I agree with all of the above, Eanna. However, you should know by now that there is no point in trying to reason with the likes of Dalo. He's the same fella who was getting all upset last year when people were giving out about Liam Murphy, yet now he himself is not too happy with Dolan.:rolleyes: I don't know, maybe some people don't like to see our club making such great progress.
I'm just posing the question.Quote:
Originally posted by Colm
Some people here seem to bitching for the sake of bitching
Asking people to tell me what it is that makes him an instant hero, that's all.
I don't rate him at all. Great for Motivation is good from him but tactically not very good
give him time
fair enough. and its been answered :)Quote:
Originally posted by Peadar
I'm just posing the question.
It has raised more questions than it's answered I think Eanna.Quote:
Originally posted by Éanna
its been answered :)