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Originally Posted by Ciaran
I dont need to reply to this as everyone else has.
Will make the point though that we've just seen probably the two best strikers in the World - Torres & Villa.
PS As for ESPN - they must have had exclusive rights to Euro 2006.
agreed stojkovicQuote:
Originally Posted by stojkovic
apart from villa and torres, i could easily name at least 7 / 8 other strikers who i would have upfront ahead of luca toni and ibrahamovic
thats a fine bit of backtracking, you're original post used the 2nd half of season gone by as proof for including del piero yet now you are going on the past 2 seasons, if thats the case where are henry, klose, ribery, podolski, I could go on, these are all as good if not better than the 3 you speak of so highly (especially going back over 2 seasons), yet they are not even in your 'top tier' listQuote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
Torres
Villa
Berbetov
Drogba
Eto
podolski
Henry
Karim Benzema
Lesandro Lopez
Van Nistelrooy
because neither fo them would get in the barcelona starting line up either. The only comparison you can have between henry and Trezeguet is that they were both eligible for the French squad, and only Henry was picked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
Anyway, back to the original point. there's no way anyone in italy would swap their squad for ours. They are immeasurably better in most departments
yeah there's no way i'd have him or eto'o down as one of the best strikers in the world. Also, Henry's very much past his best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
"It was not a good display and there are many problems in the team in defence, midfield and in attack," said Tardelli.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supreme feet
"There are two sources for this, psychologically and physically. I don't think this team is mentally strong enough at present, there's just not the right amount of determination and strength to win games."
Jaysus Marco - Don't rile them up!
Do Trezeguet and Del piero not play for the one club, if so why are you pointing out klose being 2nd to toni? I didn't actually say I rated those players higher than the 3 you mentioned, I was merely pointing out that your 'top tier' seemed to be missing quite a few players of equal quality to those you listed. I think Henry's 12 goals from 30 odd games for Barca isn't the sign of a bad playerQuote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
well i rate toni as a good player but not on the levels you seem to hold him at - i would not even consider him if i had the option of playing drogba , van nistl:, torres , etoo, totti, del piero, torres etc and i could say many moreQuote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
but everyone has their own views i guess
I won't go into a long argument about this but making lists like this and saying that nobody else is better than any of those is very subjective and a bit stupid. You could make cases for Adebayor, Benzema, Berbatov, Keane, Raul, Henry, Rooney, Tevez, Mario Gomez, Arshavin, and of course Aguero who is meant to be one of the best young players on the planet. I'm sure there are a good few more who could be placed above some of those on the list. Also, would Villa have made it onto your list this time yesterday?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
Anyway, how this is relevant to Ireland I don't know (or Italy for that matter).
good post jmurphy - would agree with it all bar 2 thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by jmurphyc
1) villa would have defo been on the list prior to y'days performance
2)i wouldnt call someone saying someone else is better a bit stupid - every1 views the game in their own way and hence why we all have different opinions - hence the reason for the foot.ie board - cant have a debate if we all had the same opinions on players
as for aguero - potential , so they say - havent seen him , but if were including potential into the list - then ,huntelaar has to be in
but its all a matter of opinion - but good post mate
I feel the italians can still come good. Gona put a sneaky fiver on a Holland V Itlay final as they will be kept apart from now on.
I'll give you a million to one. (Check the draw)Quote:
Originally Posted by redobit
To be honest lads, i can't believe Ronaldo isn't included in yer lists. He's not really a winger - as mentioned in another thread he plays in the same position as Henry. He's an excellent striker - even if he is a complete t***er.Quote:
Originally Posted by FarBeag
Would never include Podolski either - don't rate him at all. I'd include Tevez also in the worlds top strikers list.
agree with u on tevez - but thats why i said i could mention many more top strikers -there is loads of class strikers out thereQuote:
Originally Posted by lionelhutz
BUT...... ronaldo ....... no way mate ...... he is good but not great
watching him be very average in european competitions(champs league) is just humerous
he is actually quite limited and very over rated
another average performance for portugal last night despite him scoring.....he does not play well against continental opposition ... he ends up getting marked out of the the game
but agree... what a complete t**ser (-;
one of the most pathetic, blinkered posts i have ever read. and im not a United (or Real :) ) fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by back of the net
he scored one, created the other two and had 2 or 3 more decent shots on target. He was a constant thorn in the side of a very good Czech team. If thats an average performance in your book then id like to see a great one. :rolleyes:
Skstu - i dont rate ronaldo as a great player - and also i dont rate that czech team as a VERY GOOD czech team - i think they are an average side and if we had a proper manager in place for the euro qulaifiers - then i think it would have been us playing the portugese that night , not the czechsQuote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
I think that this tournament has been one of the lowest quality european championships in years
considering the opposition the portugese faced (czech rep) - i would not call his performance a GREAT performance , when the portugese face one of the better european sides (of which the czechs are not ) or when united play a top european side , ronaldo is barely in the game
- so ,mate , equally i could call your opinion "blinkered" , but i wont cos everyone has their own opinion and is entitled to it
Just watching the great Luca Toni in action at the moment.
Absolutely shocking, Torres would have had a hat-trick.
Dunphy was wrong. He's not a poor mans Peter Crouch, he's a poor mans Tony Cascarino.
I absolutely hate Manchester United, but I watch a lot of football and for my money Cristiano Ronaldo is hands down the best player in the world at the moment. Messi is the only guy up there with him and he was injured for the second half of last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
regarding Ronaldo, your point is just not correct. He scored a hatful of goals in the CL and put in some quality performances along the way right up to, and including, the final. He has scored plenty of goals for the portuguese in qualifying and in all major tournaments he has been present for.Quote:
Originally Posted by back of the net
The czechs are a very good team. Not a great team. But still very, very good. Tough opponents. For any international team.
I didnt call his performance against the Czechs "great" by the way - you said he was barely in the game. That is just wrong. As the goal AND assists AND a handful of shots on target AND a few mazy runs prove.
How can he be "average" or "limited" by any strech of the imagination? He's quality and he barely has a weakness to his game. He can score inside or outside the box and has scored some cracking headers too.
He is a joy to watch. Players like Ronaldo are the reason i became a footie fan.
that was one of the best saves ever.
T'was good alright. Awful decision by the ref in the first place, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I still maintain that Italy are absoulutely nothing to be afraid of in the qualifiers
Can anyone who watches more Italian football than me tell me why he's in the squad at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by stojkovic
Awful game this afternoon, ridiculous dive to try win a penalty, at least two superb opportunities where his gangliness was too much and very little else. Hope he plays come April!
Ciaran must be the man to answer that for you since he rates him as one of the 3 best strikers in the world!!Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
:D:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Maybe if all the other world's best strikers were killed in some airline disaster or something first.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
He plays in Germany, not ItalyQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Saw that after wiki-ing him alright. Bloody good scoring record too!
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Originally Posted by stojkovic
Yeah, totally agree with you.I hope he is there when we play them because even McShane would do a job on him.
Would that be the same season that his club were found guilty of match-fixing ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
And he shone in WC06 under Lippi ?Quote:
The problem I think is that Donadoni isn't using him right
Words fail me.Quote:
Don't judge Toni on poor tactics, he's being heavily marked
Do you actually think there is a solid connection between that fact and the fact that Toni scored lots of goals?Quote:
Originally Posted by stojkovic
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Originally Posted by Razors left peg
I dunno Razor. Personally I would rather they do O.K in euro 2008. The way things are now they are at Rock bottom, and are in a position to turn it around before the play us...
The question has to be asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
They showed against Romania that they do still have quality IMO. They're just fairly poorly managed at the moment. They will still be the team to beat in the qualifiers and unless we massively improve under Trapattoni we'll have little chance of beating them.
i believe my point is correct - i have seen him enough times to say that he is not a great player - out of his goals in CL - how many were penos and free kicks ? - I BELIEVE , he contirbutes technically very little to uniteds european cause , and they would be well off getting rid of him for the completely overhyped sum ofr money madrid are gonna pay for himQuote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
on top of that he is a diver and a whinger and has an extremely lazy element to his game - attributes of great player??? i dont think so
plus hw has only scored 4 goals in 3 tournaments for portugal - the rest of his goals (qualifiers and friendlies) - have come against the likes of - luxembourg, saudi arabia, kazahkstan, aremnia , poland, belgium ,azerbaijan, latvia - WOW world beaters the lot of them
the reason you became a footie fan ????
the czechs are an ordinary side , and so far in this poor quality tournament , they are being shown up for what they are - ORDINARY and when their coach karl bruckner resigns at teh end of euro 08 - he will be leaving a team in rapid decline and is getting out at the right time
but like i said everyone to their own opinion
they arent a terrible side by any means, I just think that they are ordinary enough.When I say that they are nothing to be afraid of, I mean that if we get ourselves properly organised, get a belief in the squad and of course have a bit of luck with injuries I believe we can beat them.Dont forget that a very average Scotland team ran them very close just because the Scots were well organised under a good manager.This is an Italian team that is past its best and I dont go along with the view that some people on here have that there are some outstanding young players coming through for them.They might have a couple of good players to come into the squad but they are far from a golden generation. If these young players are top quality many would be in this squad now forcing out some of the players that are past their best.I have no doubt that in a few years time Italy will become a top team again but these things sometimes go in cycles and I believe that we are getting them at a time when they are weaker than usualQuote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
Look at how the group worked out, Scotland were very close until the last couple of games.And if you watched the game in Scotland you would have seen it was a very tight game that Scotland could easily have won on another dayQuote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
Why is a free kick goal worth less? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by back of the net
I'm fed up of reading people saying they "don't rate" Ronaldo on this site. Sure he's hyped too much and talked about ad nauseum (i realise the irony here). He also dives and winges like most other premiership players. However, to dismiss someone because you don't like him is really a complete bit of Dunphyesque analysis. He does the business on the pitch and has done consistently the last two seasons in one of the top leagues in Europe. Therefore he has to be considered one of the best players in the world.
As far as Italy are concerned im much less worried about them than i was before this tournament and now i genuinely believe that if Trap gets us organised we can at least nick a couple of points off of them. If they don't change their side they have severe limitations as we have seen and if they do change their side then they may not have "gelled" enough to be a top quality side. I still expect them to finish top reasonably comfortably.