Either can I! Two Irish internationals, an English international and an Irish U21 international. Every youth system in England must be full with these types of players. But obviously not in Sunderland ....Quote:
Originally Posted by cavan_fan
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Either can I! Two Irish internationals, an English international and an Irish U21 international. Every youth system in England must be full with these types of players. But obviously not in Sunderland ....Quote:
Originally Posted by cavan_fan
he got miller on a free...he will now get a fee for him..Miller did well in the championship for them last year..that alone is a good return on a free transferQuote:
Originally Posted by cavan_fan
I agree, the timing of this would suggest that it is some kind of falling out rather than sporting reasons. We can only speculate until Miller has left Sunderland and then goes public with it. I myself would say that it's somehow related to his injury while on international duty. I can't recall that Miller has been injured often and maybe it's a bit frustrating for him and he said something he shouldn't have to Keane. Or Keane was not happy with Millers commitment to trying to recover from his injury and Miller then brought up Saipan and repeated some of McCarthy's accusations :p
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Originally Posted by SÓC
Yes to all. Better player than any of the current Cork XI. Don't be so myopic.
I'm sure you've based that on seeing all the above players playing in the positions described many times and Miller being better in each of those roles than the City player?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fergie's Son
Fair play to ya
Ahem...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=834229&postcount=16
"Maybe when Cork City achieve something, they'll win my support."
I thought he was doing well there and aswell I thought the fans loved him.
I'd say he'll go back to Leeds.
Pure class eirebhoy.........as a City fan, I think Miller would be competitive for a start, but certainly not a banker.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
:D I remember that alright. The funniest thing was City had won the Cup a few days previous to that post!Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Come on Ciaran, no need to lie to us. :)
Oh come onQuote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
Harte and Cole may once have been good enough to be internationals but both re well past it, in Cole's case laughably so.
Miller adds nothing to a team and only gets on the Irish team because he was at Celtic and a big prospect.
Finally being an Irish U-21 is a bit like being on the Cavan hurling team, anyone could do it.
Anybody think that Keane is looking for a positive reaction from Miller? Maybe trying to give him a kick up the @rse to sort his career out?
In a word: No.Quote:
Originally Posted by lofty9
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Originally Posted by lofty9
NO
It'll all come out soon enough :D
Cheers, just what I was fishing for!!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by soccerc
Liar!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
Well done eirebhoy.
I don't make off-the-cuff flippant remarks about players I don't see regularly so can't say whether or not he would win a place in the City midfield.
have you heard something? Send us an oul PM there please!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by soccerc
Have to agree with the City fans, Miller wouldn't start for Cork.
While I agree with this, you have to also take into account he had to buy an entire team (and will have to continuously do so)... he cant buy eleven 10 million plus players and buying 1-2 of them with the other 10 being total muck isnt much use. Also, nobody worth 10 million+ wants to live up there.Quote:
Originally Posted by cavan_fan
I think you should, if you want to support thie below statement,Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
go to a few Cork City matches. At least give them a chance before knocking them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
Looks like it was a falling out. From the Guardian
Keane loses patience with Miller's failed promise
Louise Taylor
Thursday February 28, 2008
Guardian
A recently strained relationship between Roy Keane and Liam Miller apparently reached snapping point yesterday when Sunderland's manager placed the Irish midfielder on the transfer list.
Although Miller, who was one of Keane's first signings at the Stadium of Light, travelled with the Sunderland reserve party due to face Bolton Wanderers at Leyland last night, it is understood he had exhibited a reluctance to play in that game.
The 27-year-old former Celtic and Manchester United midfielder is believed to have annoyed Keane in recent weeks by turning up late for training. Sunderland's desire to move him on may, however, be thwarted as Miller, who will not command a fee, would be eligible to join only a Championship club and as an emergency loan signing before transferring permanently in the summer.
Miller had made 21 appearances for Sunderland, including 14 starts, this season but has failed to reproduce the early promise which persuaded Sir Alex Ferguson to sign him from Celtic as a potential long-term replacement for Keane, then his captain at Old Trafford.
Instead Miller, who has been troubled by a calf strain recently, found himself spending a lengthy stint on loan at Leeds before being snapped up Keane in August 2006 and helping Sunderland win promotion to the Premier League last season. Intriguingly, Dwight Yorke, 36, is the only one of the six players recruited by Keane during his early days in charge yet to be moved on.
Sunderland refused to comment on Miller's transfer-listing last night but said the matter would be addressed by Keane this morning.
guardian.co.uk © Guardian News and Media Limited 2008
It looks like a very public wake up call for Liam Miller
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http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/...axe.3825182.jp
.....Keane (right) explained: "We made our position clear with Liam. It's one thing that I've spoken to players about on many occasions and Liam in particular – and that's to do with time keeping.
"It's got nothing to do with talent but I've said if you want to be a top footballer you need a lot more than talent.
"And you certainly have to be in on time for training.
"Liam has been late on a regular basis and I've got to be fair to everyone at the club – to his team-mates, to the staff and to our supporters.
"If a player can't be on time, then they don't have a future at the club."
ya it basically is telling him to get in gear, which is actually very fair of keane, if he is as late as is made out...
If he gets himself sorted out, on time every day, trains well, then he can save the situation
Keane has a (self developed) 6th sense for sniffing out wasters.
Get to the pitch on time? I wonder is it more to do with what happens in Liam's life that has caused him to be somewhat tardy come morning time?
(From RTE)
Miller expelled for being late
Thursday, 28 February 2008 11:16
"Sunderland boss Roy Keane has confirmed Liam Miller was transfer-listed because of poor time-keeping.
The 27-year-old Republic of Ireland international was told he could leave the club yesterday after arriving late for training on several occasions.
Keane, who once left three players behind on Wearside after they turned up late for the bus to an away match, had little hesitation in asserting his authority once again.
He said: 'The problem is Liam's time-keeping, it is as simple as that. It is nothing to do with Liam as a player or as a lad.
'I have got a lot of time for Liam, but we set a very high standard at the football club and unfortunately, Liam has not been unable to match that, so we have put him on the transfer list and we will see what happens.
'You have got to be on time for training. If a player is late once or twice, well and good; if he is late three or four times, maybe well and good.
'But when it goes beyond five, six, seven times, then you have got to draw the line. In any walk of life, you have got to be on time.
'We had an incident last year when players were late for the bus, and you move on. We cannot wait for anybody at the club.'
Miller played in the reserves' 1-0 defeat at Bolton last night on his return from a calf injury hours after being told of the decision, although it remains to be seen whether he will be included in the senior squad for Saturday's Barclays Premier League trip to Derby.
However, while his future looks bleak on Wearside, Keane has not entirely closed the door on him.
He said: 'Liam played last night and if he performs like he did last night and nobody comes in for him, then who knows?
'As long as he is under the roof, you feel, as with lots of other players, they have always got a chance.
'We have got a lot of other players who have not been involved in the first team for the last few months, but if they keep working hard, then you never know when they will get the opportunity.'
Now Keano says he fired him because of persistently being late for training.
Gotta have discipline
Keane is turning into a real drama-queen of a manager. This is something that should have been sorted within the club. Maybe Keane is taking lessons from Don Givens, who also runs to the press with every spat that happens in his squad. The press love managers who react like in such a way.
So nothing exciting in it at all?
Seems to be the kick up the @rse that Miller needs then.
what a pile of crapQuote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
he is poor player
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Originally Posted by SÓC
O my god you were actually serious. Words do not describe how deluded you are.
I wonder if Kenyne Jones was late would he transfer list him? Not a hope. Just an excuse to get rid of someone he no longer rates.
Didn't his first spat with McCarthy take place when both were players and Keane was late for the bus??
yeah thats right. the famous "and you call that a first touch" line to mccarthy.
all this keane stuff is getting tiresome at this stage.
I think if you are a manager you are going to have double standards. I am sure if Clayton Blackmore jumped into the crowd he would not have gotten the seam treatment as Cantona. That is where the best managers shine. How to handle the big names and big players.
I would say that Keane was getting impatient with Miller and the only way to hit it home to him is to put him on the transfer list. I am sure if Miller is not late for the rest of the season, he has a chance to stay etc.
I dont think the aim is to get rid of Miller though, more to try to get Miller into line. He is even quoted as saying;Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
'Liam played last night and if he performs like he did last night and nobody comes in for him, then who knows?
'As long as he is under the roof, you feel, as with lots of other players, they have always got a chance.
Im thinking that if you wanted to sell a player the last thing you would want to do is say something that is going to put a potential buyer off buying which is what Keane is surely doing by saying that Miller is persistently late. I thought Miller has done alright in this season.
Roy has his standards to keep....after all he was NEVER late as player....just ask Alfie Harland!
I'm just going to start by saying I haven't seen Cork playing in in a while, but with the players they've bought I reckon they will be champions this year.
That's 2 successes, and the jury is still out on Long and O'Donovan. Long really needs a move though.Quote:
Originally Posted by SÓC
Would you put Gamble in ahead of Miller in the Sunderland team?Quote:
Originally Posted by SÓC
Would Miller get into the current Ipswich team? O'Callaghan couldn'tQuote:
Originally Posted by SÓC
He already did that at CelticQuote:
Originally Posted by SÓC
He'd have to be a better option than Farrelly, who is coming to the end of his career, while Miller is still in his prime. I haven't seen Murphy so I can't comment on himQuote:
Originally Posted by SÓC
I believe you think he would, I reckon if Miller was signed tomorrow by Cork, it would be a cause for rejoicing amongst the Cork City fans and Matthews would find a place for him, or drop someone to make a place for himQuote:
Originally Posted by SÓC
[quote=OwlsFan;886910]I wonder if Kenyne Jones was late would he transfer list him? Not a hope. Just an excuse to get rid of someone he no longer rates.
very good point.Good managers learn how to deal with keeping good players on board if possible and at the same time keeping the rest of the players knowing that if necessary even the so-called superstars will be kept in line
truly great players do not expect extra special treatment
miller is just about average at the moment
:cool:Tets has already outlined exactly why you're wrong on this subject, so i don't need to go into it too much further but I would like to say that Miller has played at a higher level than all of the former Cork players you have mentioned. Doyle, Long and O'Donovan have all had poor seasons. Only Doyle has performed at the highest level and that was for around 12 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by SÓC
Does anyone here agree with this assessment?!
Congrats. Fully agree.Most sensible post from you in a very long time.Well done lad!!Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
Kevin Doyle is a far superior player to Miller.
Miller playing a couple of CL games for Celtic does not alter that fact.