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Dundalk got a Premier licence last year, no news from Oriel yet on the 08 licence though, wouldn't expect us to be in any (major) difficulties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
What's the news on United Park? Where will Drogs be playing next season?
They got a Premier licence for United Park this year on condition that all matches are all ticket according to Aertel
from www.eircomloi.ie
All eircom League of Ireland clubs receive licences
The Football Association of Ireland’s Club Licensing Committee has awarded licences to all 22 eircom League of Ireland clubs for the 2008 season.
All 12 Premier Division clubs have received Premier Division licences, as have three clubs in the First Division who fulfilled the criteria for a Premier Division licence. The remaining seven clubs, including Sporting Fingal, have been awarded First Division licences.
Although St. Patrick’s Athletic were awarded a licence, this was subject to the club submitting further information to the Club Licensing Committee within an agreed timeframe. A financial sanction was also imposed on the club.
All clubs have been notified of the Club Licensing Committee’s decision. Clubs have the right to appeal decisions to the Club Licensing Appeals Body.
The Club Licensing Committee has already awarded “A” Championship licences last November to the new clubs that will be joining the eircom League this season.
Anyone know what this is about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fintan Cassidy
Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
Drogs have now met this condition and tickets will be on sale through Ticketmaster.
All ticket because Drogheda were allowing too many people into the ground and this went against the fire officers stadium regulation figure ?
Never mind that, what about Pats, what's the story there?:)Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
Pats have exceeded the total number of Brian Kerrs allowed by the FAI :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Sniffer
If you don't sort that out it could be Kerrtains for the club before the season even starts...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint
The scuttlebut suggests a five figure fine for late accounts.
So you're not alowed pay players into the hand ??
How can the FAI award a license conditional on something happening in the future?
I thought the process was clear that you submit your license application, a ruling is provided, if its negative it can be appealed to the first instance committee and so on with the bottom line being that all this takes place before the season starts so there is no room for doubt. If you don't comply you don't play in the division.
Not for the first time the FAI approach to enforcement of compliance is somewhat puzzling and inconsistent.
Surely there has been enough time to "provide further detail" on whatever issues have arisen? And if the FAI have levied a fine, surely that indicates prima facie non-compliance?
No offence to you in particular, but a lot of posters here (and it was the same last season) rabbit on about the licensing system and the minimum criteria. But if anyone actually read the document they would see that there is LOTS of wiggle room. Some areas are critical, while many areas are allowed on condition that they are met within an agreed timeframe, with sanctions applicable (fines, points, or even relegation) at any stage in the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Answer is, there's no inconsistency with the licensing manual!
If you think the licensing procedure is too soft, well that's another matter.
Here's the link to the licansing manual:
http://www.fai.ie/pdf/FAI_Club_Licen...anual_2008.pdf
It's a PDF file, 1.34MB.
Ooooooooooooh RedRon Burned you bad
Yoink for later use!Quote:
Originally Posted by Réiteoir
I'm with redron on this one, the no offence part and the onus on supporters.Quote:
Originally Posted by redron
As hopefully more supporters get attracted to games individually, they will ask the same individual questions. I believe, its up to regular supporters or those with a large interest in the game to give accurate information and try and reduce the bias in the answers.
The licensing process is our Taylor report*, but luckily its not as emotionally charged or having outside forces (Govt.) breathing down our necks. Its true the licensing process began as an initiative from UEFA setting the standard, however we have caught up to their standard and the sport is able to control and monitor its own future.
*[UK Govt. report into the Hillsborough diaster (1987) with recommendations on stadium design. More/all seating. British football was broke at the time and it was a hard road for them to get them where they are now.....em..Thank God for BSkyB]
very short report March 2002 (brim-full with info.)
The very excellent Norman Chester Centre of Leicester University, with a short afterword report on football accomodation and legislation.
http://www.le.ac.uk/footballresearch...heets/fs2.html
how many tickets will the away fans be aloclatedQuote:
Originally Posted by iceman
A $hel$ fan giving out about crowd control and greed :pQuote:
Originally Posted by higgins
now ur taking the **** :D
I preferred this commentQuote:
Originally Posted by garyderry
:)Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
giving out ???Quote:
Originally Posted by garyderry
It was a question
Shelbourne have their house in order, thank you for asking!
When we didn't do things by the book we got caught and we're still paying for it. If anything Shelbourne are a good example of how good the licence process can be and I wouldn't ever say we deserved less than what we got.
All I'm looking for is a fair system for everyone :)
Droghea were breaking the crowd restriction rules last season and I want to know if thats what brought about this all ticket rule ? If it is then I'd say fair play to the FAI as they've moved to stop another club gaining an advantage over the other 21 clubs. Not the 21 clubs fault Drogheda won't put money into their ground and instead pump it all into players.
Don;t worry the twenty of you will be accomodated:DQuote:
Originally Posted by forza rovers
400 max for a big away support
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Originally Posted by higgins
Prove that statement
He cant know one can, hence why you have been asked to be all ticket this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanDrog
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by garyderry
By having it all ticket through ticketmaster, they now will be able to prove if Drogs are leaving too many in, whereas they couldnt last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
My interpretation of it anyway
What? They leave them there? For how long???Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
I think you missed the word 'in' :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Magicme
Ok, in my opinion drogheda were letting in more than they were allowed last season! Is that better ??? There were plenty of posts on foot about it too.
Anyway, I started off by asking a question. Nobody has answered it yet ???
Can you please explain why the FAI would want a club to have all their games as all ticket ?
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Originally Posted by higgins
Because they were letting in more than they should have been but this year it will be controlled. ;)
To have concrete figures to go on for their licence criteria, rather than relying on clubs being 'honest' about their figures hopefullyQuote:
Originally Posted by higgins
Last season the attendences figures permittable were set by the local fire officer, I would presume the club need some sort of safety statement etc to go with their application for a licence and he wanted more controls in place to ensure we stuck to these figures before giving a "sign off" - that would be my guess at least. Now your opinion may well be right regarding more being let in than allowed but as there is no proof of any sort it is then just conjecture.
You also said we are spending all our cash on players rather than on the ground. The attendence is capped because we have no entrance at one end of the home terrace - nothing we can do about that as it is boxed in. The club spent money on improving the walk ways, safety barriers and additonal gates allowing entry onto the pitch - so to state that no cash going into the ground was wrong.
Also as they are heavily involved in trying to get a new 10,000 all seater stadium off the ground and spending cash on this project (38000e alone was lodged with the planning application) - why would they invest heavily on Utd Park? (and no I have no update on the ground - I believe the council asked for further information and its being put together).
Best of luck next season imo the sooner the better shels are back in the Premier , I for one miss them.
I heard that dundalk and athlone did not get a premier licence hard to believe. they both have good grounds, is it true?Quote:
Originally Posted by eelmonster
there's alot more to licensing than good grounds. Altho surprised that Dundalk didnt get one (if true)Quote:
Originally Posted by passerrby
Athlones finances were hilariously mismanaged.Quote:
Originally Posted by passerrby
We're talking near Limerick levels of incompetence here.
Not sure about Dundalk, maybe someone realised their pitch is a disgrace??
The decision as to why you don't see the need to upgrade United Park is your own. You have plans, big wow!! While you remain in United Park and are happy to put peoples safety at risk you need to play by the rules the rest of us play by (yeah, I know a shels fan talking about rules, haha). I was just stating that the other 21 clubs are sticking to their max limits, as a Shels fan I can only pray we get half that!!
I don't have proof you let more in than allowed last season, that was just my opinion but it seems the FAI/Fire officer are also of the same opinion.
I would also imagine the money spent on upgrading United Park would have paid for itself by now in gate receipts ?
You're going to be in United Park for another year or two at best. If I was a fan I'd have major issues with putting money into the playing side of the club while supporters can't get tickets to get into a game!
What is the official limits for United Park by the way ?
They are stated in the licence report so there has to be some figure.
I've read the manuals from 2006, 2007 and 2008. IMHO there are plenty of inconsistencies in the document, but principly the followingLQuote:
Originally Posted by redron
"The withdrawal of a licence or imposition of a sanction is not mandatory and the FAI Licensing Committee will have discretion to exercise this power or not."
This effectively sets aside the whole manual and turns something that was intended to be an objective sanction (non-compliance equals non-participation) into something that is wholly subjective.
Having spent too much of my life designing and implementing compliance documentation this is patently ridiculous and non-transparent.
To Tismee, I look forward to your contributions....
Put people's safety at risk?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
Good Grief. :rolleyes:
It's a football ground not the knives, chemicals and fireworks factory.
And the Oscar for best melodramatic performance gos to higgins.......
Just aswell you follow the LoI then isn't itQuote:
If I was a fan I'd have major issues with putting money into the playing side of the club while supporters can't get tickets to get into a game!
Lim till I die, Droghedas actions will result in fans of other clubs not being able to get tickets to see their team play ?
If you're happy with that then fair enough.
If anyones safety was at risk we wouldn't be allowed play there so its very disingenuous to be implying otherwise. Given all the attempted mud slinging towards shels over the years I would have expected more from a shels fan than to engage in the same type of tactic.
Last season the cap varied throughout the season on the permittable figure - moved up a more work was completed. It ranged from 1000 (at one point) to 1500 and tipped around 2000 (towards then end). I haven't heard the figure for this year - all depends if they have put in additonal measures - for our last 2 home games we had a crash barrier running the length of the home terrace (reason for 2000 ish attendence).
Actually the new ground is quite a big wow! and the home support are more than aware of this and for the time being (and it is the time being ) putting up with disruption.
And as I stated there is nothing the club can do about a second entrance on the home terrace side - it is boxed in with a private house and the GAA grounds. Pain in the arse but hopefully for us we will not be putting up with it much longer. But if the pain is having to prepurchase tickets then so be it (or buy a season ticket).
I have to say I do find it funny that you are letting our problems annoy you so much :D - if we meet shels at some point in a cup etc I doubt you will have an issue getting a ticket form the away support allocation.
On another point what type of attendences did you get last season in the first? (no jibe - just interested)