Quigley is the sub Derry City keeper. Okay he may be better than Colin Doyle but that doesn't mean hes greatQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
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Quigley is the sub Derry City keeper. Okay he may be better than Colin Doyle but that doesn't mean hes greatQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Your from Northern Ireland, what would you know about football. :D Stick to the cricketQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve Bruce
In reverse of your comment to Wangball I ask if you really believe that, and if you do then that's probably a fair reflection on why the Ole Ole crowd think this league and it's supporters are laughableQuote:
Originally Posted by half_full
A Corkie misses the point completely because of his blind rage/stupidity, what a turn up for the books eh? Go back and read over my posts please before posting again, and I mean read them, don't let that red mist descend when you read the part where I don't worship Cork CityQuote:
Originally Posted by joey4ireland
Just for the record (and I've said this before I think) Brian Murphy was with us for four-five years and didn't get much of a game except the odd run out in the FAW Premier Cup and the odd run of a few games in the league. Make what you will of that.
Stephen Hunt did **** all at many clubs but look at him now.
George O'Callaghan's recent retirement form International football has no doubt relieved Trappatoni of one selection headache.....
Spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wangball
Ditto . . . you are starting to scre me now, could this be the first stone being built in a bridge between GU and L37 fans? No, me either. Still though, standing right beside you on this issueQuote:
Originally Posted by jebus
So from me saying that Cork and Drogs wouldn't be able to compete in the Championship because of their pathetic (in comparison) wage budgets and attendence you pulled this out of your moral outrage hatQuote:
Originally Posted by joey4ireland
despite me saying that Limerick wouldn't be able to compete in the Blue Square North. Must be great seeing things through Cork tinted glasses.Quote:
Originally Posted by joey4ireland
EDIT: Sorry for the edit, but forgot to add that when you have the likes of Wednesday averaging 26,000 a week and they still struggle, a club getting 4-5,000 couldn't possibly survive for very long, it's simple economics
I think you either over estimate how good the LOI is or you underestimate how good the English divisions are.Quote:
Originally Posted by joey4ireland
But your entitled to your opinion and at the moment their is no way of proving one way or another.
However I do not think their is 1 single team on this island one league away in standard from the English Premiership.
Since when did constantly comparing our league with leagues on another country decide if you are good enough internationally ?
It doesn't do our league any good when people are always looking to see how good it would be compared to a given English league , who cares ? Why can't we just concentrate on promoting our own league instead of looking for some kind of outside comparison
Because when you have someone like Clinton Morrison being left out, a guy who is doing good stuff in a higher standard league to the eL, you can't possibly expect people to take claims that Jason Byrne should be conisdered seriously, especially taking into account how much of a flop he was over there, ditto when you have people saying that bar Shay Given eL keepers are better than their Irish counterparts across the sea, especially the ones that play to a higher standard of footballQuote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
That is actually laughableQuote:
Originally Posted by half_full
If we can get away from the pointless comparison nonsense "Drogheda are equivalent to Norwich, Sligo are more like Falkirk...", I wouldn't be particularly worried about Trappattoni blocking the progress of LOI players.
Trap will obviously be making use of his support staff - I think any U-21, U-23 or B-team games will take on added importance. People also seem to be overlooking the fact that there are more senior internationals currently playing in the league than there has been for a long time.
Pats
O'Cearuil
Bohs
Crowe
Byrne
Cork
Healy
Farrelly
Gamble
Sligo
Alan Moore
Drogheda
Gartland (almost ;))
Am I missing anyone?
All bar the first guy (US tour??) fall into either the token cap,crocked or miles past it categoriesQuote:
Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint
So did Roy O Donovan....and after a couple of years developing here he's now getting appearances with a premiership team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wangball
What is it then ? He was called into the squad for the US tour and if i remember about 15 or 16 players pulled out of the squad meaning calling up the likes of him, Gamble, Bennett and that Lapora (spelling) lad who was playing college footie... I dont think any of that squad were first choice at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Hey, I just wasn't sure when the guy was capped is all!! :oQuote:
Originally Posted by BrayUnknowns
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
You think every single club manager and scout in England "clearly hasn't a clue"? Rather a big claim, don't you think?
Or is it not more likely that you yourself don't have a clue?
None taken. I'd probably put us one division higher, but no further than that. Which doesn't change your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Yes, Cork/Drogheda have large talented squads. And as for the other teams I mentioned, yes they would be comfortable in League 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
I didn't mean it as a literal squad, just players who have performed both domestically and in european competition over the last few years. Oh, and I forget to mention Owen Heary:oQuote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
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Originally Posted by jebus
How is this even an argument? If your argument is based on the fact that we would actually be in the championship then surely the crowds would be far larger?:confused:
On the teams i think drogs and cork would survive in the championship rather easily. I think ourselves would be pushing the promotion spots in league 1 and the rest im not to sure abut.
On the international scene itself, Bohs murphy, cork's gamble, drog's gartland and our O'Cearuil.
And you think that every single club manager and scout in England has seen them play? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
You've got a huge scouting system in England dedicated to finding gems of players at low cost to strengthen the team and hopefully sell on at a profit. I'd say a sizeable proportion of scouts have seen the top eL players.
Good post - Some British managers.....Jimmy Calderwood, Craig Levein spring to mind.....have gone as far as saying that they'd be specifically targetting the Irish Leagues because of the relatively low costs involved....since Kevin Doyle was hailed the next big thing that attention has probabl grown even furtherQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Sorry I had completely forgotten that being a Celtic fan makes any point I make invalid, never mind the fact I lived in Glasgow for many years and was essentially just supporting my local team who just happen to be a big side with big players, a big stadium & big ambitions....if circumstances were a little different and I'd of lived elsewhere I could of been a fan of a half baked mickey mouse operation of a team....just like youQuote:
Originally Posted by joey4ireland
Sorry again...I'd forgotten myself and stepped onto that moral highground reserved for people from Cork, I'll just step back down now
Wangball by name....Quote:
Originally Posted by Wangball
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Originally Posted by sullanefc
............go on............
Good argument. Get Given out - Quigley in!Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
:rolleyes:
I for one am converted, whilst we're kicking Given out sure we may aswell replace Dunne with Gartland & Doyle with Zayed.....watch out Italy
No one ever said anything like that, but the likes of Gartland and Zayed should be considered equally to any other players for the Ireland squad. If they were playing Championship in England (which they could) you'd be raving about them.
Even though Zayed went on trial with Crewe, then in Division One, a couple of seasons back (as in, after he'd broken through with Bray) and was rejected?
Eh, have you never thought he may have improved?
For instance I would rate Zayed higher than Elliot and Keogh
Healy, Farrelly, Moore & O'Cearruil all won their caps whilst playing outside the EL....Gamble was capped on that stinking US Tour that also saw Lapira capped & Byrne's cap was a complete example of tokenism...only Crowe deserved his on merit when he was on fire playing for Bohs first time roundQuote:
Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint
Not having a go for the sake of it but Byrne was playing as well as Crowe was when he got his call up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wangball
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Originally Posted by half_full
Then your crazy
That means little. Southampton (with Strachan as manager) rejected Aiden McGeady. celtic rejected Shay Given. Everton rejected Richard Dunne. Shelbourne rejected Darrly Murphy. I think a good few LOI players are on a par with some of our regular Internationals especially in goals and indefense.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
How?
How often have you seen Zayed?
I think Elliot has really gone backwards.
All those rejections were while the player was very young, not while they were an established eL player. All those rejected were subsequently taken on by another club because they were good enough. Zayed wasn't because he isn't.
I don't think that these players are all rubbish, The point I'm trying to make, going back to the 1st post, is that even though there may be very talented footballers in the EL right now, there are better playing in the Championship/League 1/League 2 & I can't see any EL player taking the step up and playing a role in our qualifying matches.....take for instance Keith Andrews at MK Dons, he's as good as midfielder as there in in League 1 & 2 and has arguably been MK Dons stand out player this season, yet if he were to come home & play for Bohs I have no doubt he'd look like a superstar (he's a pretty good player) & all of a sudden there'd be a clamour for him to be called up and when he wasn't people would say it was because he was an EL player despite the fact there was never a clamour for him to be called up or even put forward for a call up when he was with MK Dons