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I agree with you in some respect although as was mentioned this will hopefully prevent money being taken out of the LOI funds.Quote:
Originally Posted by finnpark
Delaney also talked of more investments coming in the next few months so hopefully LOI will benefit. On top of that if Denis O'Brien didn't invest in the national team he would probably invest abroad so what do you expect the FAI to do?
If he is one of the best managers in the world why the hell is he managing an Austrian side? :confused: Surely he would be still managing Italy or one of the top Italian teams if he was that good. Im shocked to hear you say that. I thought he was the best of a bad bunch but very expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Yes, its good. The FAI don't have to pay the money and we get the best manager on our short list plus he may have success, perhaps for the Euros in 3 years after his current contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by bohsRap
The FAI have done everything right here but its the money that clinched the deal for them. Its a waiting game now.
Because I believe that most Football clubs are ageist and most would feel that his age is too old for club football. However I think at international level age and experience are vital and are actually a good thing. He had his time with Italy.
Anyway we could argue that no matter who we got was any good because if they were good they would not be our manager. That is the typical Irish logic that ****s many people up and drives them into a bitter early grave.
:D IndeedQuote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
But Im just not wearing blinkers. I can't say if hes good or not, only time will tell. He has a tough job and lets hope he has great success.
Whats all the fuss about O'Brien giving money. I didn't hear any complaints when MacManus was ploughing money into the Limerick GAA. Fair play to O'Brien, at least he is putting back some of the easy money he got when he was awarded the mobile phone licence.
i think the obrien thing was on purpose because the FAI didnt have anything to "break" at 5 if they didnt mention this and probably wanted them to focus on this issue.....
fair play to obrien, I liked the way delaney got one over on mulryan and those others investing in english football. for once i think he has said something impressive. great dig.
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Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Yes great dig, disgusted though to hear that lying money laundering hyprocite in Leinster House (occasionally) say how great Trappatoni is for Irish Football whilst raving on about Man U when intervewed showing absolutely no tact.
Lads we've had years and years of gloom and disappointment.
All thoughts aside about O'Brien, money etc, who cares?
Giovanni Trappatoni is coming to run our national team, and that is absolutely savage!!!
For anyone not watching O'Brien was on the phone to Vincent Brown's show and said he's been involved since before Stan got the sack. A big deal being made out of it.
Looks like the big story has quickly moved from Trap to Denis O'Brien's involvement. A bit sad really.
Tony o'Donoghue sounded like someone with a massive chip on his shoulder on the Six one news. Saying the O'Brien's contribution cast a shadow over the appointment or words to that effect. Is he for real? I think Delaney must have forgotten Tony when buying a round on an away trip or something.
Imagine if the FAI had refused his offer, the media would have a field day. As someone else pointed out Abramovich is funding Hiddink in Russia and everyone says what a great man McManus us for supporting Limerick GAA from his home in Switzerland.
Yes it would be great if O'Brien funded Bray to Champions League glory but he hasn't so I'll thank him for this contribution. At least it's better than Quinn & Co. funding the nightclub trade in the Nort East of England.
It's like giving out cos Beamish sponsor Cork City by saying they should be supporting the Knocknaheeny Celtic Under 12's who "really" need it.
Denis O'Brien just said on the Vincent Brown show on TV3 that he was in touch with Delaney BEFORE Stan was sacked as Ireland manager. Quite unusual. The hacks will go to town on this. Brown has that washpish old fart Bernard O'Byrne on trying to pick holes in the appointment.
Papers next few days will be all about O'Brien now and not Trap.
Vincent Brown even asked him could he have not spent his money on some other organisation in Ireland that needed it more.
That "interview" had to be the biggest farce ever. On the day of the biggest appointment in Irish football history, they could do nothing but pick holes in it. They were a disgrace in the way they went about that. Everyone knows Stan was useless at his job....who gives a toss if O Brien was involved before he left. The right man is in the job now so lets everyone get behind him and less of the negativity.
Bring on the World Cup:ball:
O'Brien got Staunton sacked :eek: I bet he wishes he didn't come on now.Quote:
Originally Posted by nui-harp
yes, you could smell the jealousy there. Thank god hes at Pats now, hes hard to stand.Quote:
Originally Posted by drummerboy
****ed off with messr o brien getting midnight phone calls in the carribean from king john d (keepin him in the loop like) john forgot eircom the main sponsor competes with dennis in telecoms in different parts of the world. It also makes you wonder about the buffoons in the board of management do they like just make tea eat biscuits and claim expenses while dennis, eddie jordan and john d are the real board..... still they dont half make a great appointment mind you the football will be ****e
Bernard O'Byrne does come across as an particularly odious individual.Quote:
Originally Posted by finnpark
obyrne or kerr did seem a bit keen to raise the eyebrows. Oh i love football the fun is only starting
What is it with irish people a shower of begrudgers. your dammed if you do and dammed if you dont. No one complains about irish business people putting money into the english league.
I Was in Tehran at the world cup play off game a few years ago and obrien was stood on the terrace with the rest of us with eddie jordan. He said he tries to get to as many away games as possible. Seemed a decent charactor.
I think the FAI made something like €30m profit last year. €1m isn't a whole lot for them. While it can help with investing it in the grassroots/whatever it's hardly going to make a significant impact like some people have suggested.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
If you go to the eircom league forum you will see loads of people who complain about this and laugh at them wasteing their money promoting british soccer. You even get some Irish people supporting English teams ahead of Irish teams and buying their merchindise to make English businessmen richer. Its a funny old world. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperDub
Yeah the dig was great. Loved it!!Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Is this Bertie you are talking about. Did he have a comment on Trapp???Quote:
Originally Posted by Scram
source? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
O'Brien can keep his tainted money. it would be more in his line to pay his tax here. its just a PR exercise. why not be anonymous?Quote:
Originally Posted by half_full
Initially I felt a little bit uneasy about the mention of O'Brien's name. But I think that's because we've grown up in a society of brown envelopes and our understanding of the word "donation" has a hidden meaning.
Anyways his name is out in the open from the off and as far as I'm concerned it's pretty much a non-issue at this moment in time although I wouldn't rule out it becoming an issue further down the line in some shape or form.
Good man Denis, thank you for helping to fund a world class manager rather than an amateur like Kerr or Stan!
fcuk the begrudgers ...
I cant believe anyone is whinging about this ...
bhs
It's funny because it will really annoy "Independent" News and Media and their owners.
However, this lauding of billionaire tax exiles when they splash a fraction of the tax that they should've paid disgusts me. If they wanted to help Ireland, they could fookin live here and pay their taxes so the democratically elected Government can decide, not come in as some kind of white knight for you current pet project.
For what it's worth, I don't see how the FAI had much choice but to take it.
He isn't breaking any laws. Anybody on here who wouldn't legally avoid tax if they could?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
Lots probably would, but would they come back a few times a year splashing the cash expecting to be slapped on the back like some of them (especially some from the Limerick area) do?Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
If he stayed anonymous it would of came out anyway.Fair play to him for getting away not paying tax. I would do the same. He is a great irishman. The FAI can now put the money there saving not paying Trapps full wages back into irish soccer.Can't believe people are given out about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
Dont forget that English millionaires have been helping out the FA for years!
Why cant we do it with all the millionaires we have
Couple of quick points on this:
- IF DOB is simply donating the money cos he wants the team to do well then
fair play. However, I suspect the donation may also be metaphorical 2
fingers to Eircom.
- Trap is the type of character that is going to clash with the media here
pretty quickly. The are sinking lower and lower every year. I hope his eats
them alive.
- DOB has absolutely no obligation to dig badly run irish clubs out of the sh1t.
Lets just view the O'Brien money at face value - a generous gesture to secure a Manager of experience and achievement. End of story.
Who would we be discussing if O'Brien hadn't donated - El Tel, Billy Davis, Lawrie Sanchez?
I think the FAI handled this well in stating the facts of O'Brien's involvement straight away. It's out in the open and not hanging over them, which would have suggested some underhanded dealing.
I'd imagine every newspaper editor had to re-write a lot of glaring headlines that they had stored up for the Sunday papers on this yesterday.
Having endured this tortuous process and agonised about who we'd be landed with - lets just enjoy the fact we've appointed Trapp - even for a few days.
Probably still Trappatoni as the FAI have more than enough to pay the full wages themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
The fact O'Brien publicised the donation tells you all you need to know about the man.
Anyway, I'm glad he's spending my money (and yours too) on such a worthy investment. He's clearly such a proud Irishman he upped sticks and left the country, because, Godforbid he might have to pay tax to his beloved Ireland which could be used on schools, hospitals and the like.
Huzzah to him, truly an Irish hero........
O'Brien is a tax exile. In my opinion (and nobody has to agree with it), tax exiles don't deserve to be called Irish, because they don;t share the tax burden with the rest of us. 1M is a tiny fraction of the tax he would have paid if he lived here. he made hundreds of millions out of Esat and then went to Portugal to avoid CGT on this money. Michael O'Leary, for all his many many faults at least lives here and pays his taxes here and I admire him for that. The "typical Irish begrudgery" line is a knee-jerk reaction - and I have to say that is those posters on this site who I would regard as the more thoughtful ones who recognise the wider picture.
EDIT: ps I'm certainly not saying the FAI shouldn't take the money, of course they should. And it is decent of O'Brien to give it. But what I am saying is that it doesn't make him into a great Irishman giving it, and he shouldn't be hero worshipped for it. If he was a true Irishman he would have given much much more to the state over the years.
Can we add a poll to this thread?
DOB Donation...
A good thing
A bad thing
It's not as simple as that - good or bad - but reading some of the posts here you would think it was.
btw c. €80M tax he avoided on the sale of Esat by moving to Portugal.
I agree totally. Denis O'Brien has given this money as a PR exercise. He's due up before the McCracken tribunal again soon about the money he gave Michael Lowry. At the moment he's in the High Court trying to block the investigation. If it turns out that the mobile phone license was awarded corruptly the state is wide open to being sued for 100s of millions of Euro by the other companies that didn't get the license.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
The last time I saw Denis O'Brien being interviewed he was whinging about having spent over 10 million (we could have had 10 Trapatonnis!) in legal fees because of the tribunal. If you cut away all the smoke and figures and legal jargon the tribunal is basically asking a very simple question. 'Did you bribe a politician?' If the answer to that question is no, then why would you need to spend so much in legal fees?
I could also mention how he got ESAT cables laid along railway tracks (state owned infrastructure) for almost free. All this stuff costs money lads. OUR MONEY.
In short Denis O'Brien gave the money for his own selfish reasons and the FAI are right to take it for our own selfish reasons. It's a marriage of convenience and I can live with it if it means success for the Irish team, which would have a spin off benefit for Irish football at all levels.
Trapatonni's appointment is great for Irish football. It doesn't make O'Brien a great Irishman or a saint any more than it makes the FAI a top class professional outfit. For once we've got a good result and I don't really care how we got it.
Enough talk about O'Brien and his grubby money. Can we just get on with the job of supporting our new Il Duco and the Boys in Green?
Yes but we get our love every day around the corner, instead of every couple of months in Dublin for €60 a go :P And those who would want the team to fail usually want this, not out of spite for the team, but because they want an effect of this - e.g. Staunton/Delany/Givens/Devlin/Granny Exploiters out.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
While I recognise a good deed by DOB, its slightly worrying. No club would get away with making such a coup on short term investment that they cannot afford to renew. While people are saying "at least this money will now go into grassroots", thats simply not true. The money was never there in the first place, and now its gone straight into a formerly great manager's pockets, simply because italian managers are en vogue around this parts at the moment. What do we gain out of giving a mercenary another million? We could have appointed an Irish man with knowledge of Irish football from top to bottom, instead we have someone who will probably only come to the country when we're at home. Is it really this difficult to appoint someone who the bunch of primadonnas we call our international team will respect?